San Marino v England

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:42 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:36 pm
The arm is above his head in an unnatural position. Whether intentional or not, putting your arm above your head like that is asking for trouble. It is a penalty.

absolutely, why he put hand up like that is stupid, i would have been lying on the pitch hoping the ball didn't hit me

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:42 pm

I'll be happy when proper football resumes at 3.00 pm on Saturday.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:43 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:40 pm
Some are the Faroe Islands for one, but the likes of Leichenstein & San Marino are simply cannon fodder.

Yes, they seem to have improved.
I wonder if they wouldn't benefit more through a tiered qualification process.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:45 pm

minnieclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:34 pm
No disrespect to Kane, who is a fantastic finisher, but Charlton and Lineker didn’t score any of their international goals against a youth club team.

Holland, Luxembourg, Rep. of Ireland, Norway, Denmark, Belgium.???

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:46 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:40 pm
Charlton got a hat trick in an 8-1 win against the USA, a hat trick in a 9-0 win against Luxembourg, a hat trick in an 8-0 win against Mexico, another 2 in a different game against Luxembourg and another goal in another match against USA this time in in an 8-0 win.

Whereas Gary Lineker once scored four goals against those minnow whipping boys Spain.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:55 pm

4 vs Malaysia

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:57 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:43 pm
Yes, they seem to have improved.
I wonder if they wouldn't benefit more through a tiered qualification process.

The Nations League has the right idea by putting teams in groups of similar ability and ranking, but how you could manage that during a qualifying process I'm not sure.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:58 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:46 pm
Whereas Gary Lineker once scored four goals against those minnow whipping boys Spain.

I didnt mention Lineker but he also scored 2 in a 5-0 win against the USA, 3 in a 5-0 drubbing against a hopeless Turkey side, another 3 in an 8-0 win against hopeless Turkey, 4 goals against the mighty Malaysia so he also banged a few in games that were big mismatches

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:00 pm

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:02 pm

Every country has the right to compete to get there but there should be the need to have some sort off preliminary round, like we do for the FA Cup.

If you are not in the top 40 UEFA teams then you need to play preliminaries to get there

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:02 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:58 pm
I didnt mention Lineker but he also scored 2 in a 5-0 win against the USA, 3 in a 5-0 drubbing against a hopeless Turkey side, another 3 in an 8-0 win against hopeless Turkey, 4 goals against the mighty Malaysia so he also banged a few in games that were big mismatches

Sure, but the point I was making in my first post was that I have never seen an international side as poor as San Marino. Consistently poor too.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:04 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:41 pm
I had a little chuckle at Ramsdale managing to get miles out of position, the fact he made a save probably covered up his panicking

Thought the lad did well in that instance. Can’t understand why people feel the need to constantly criticise him, I can only think it’s because Pope hasn’t been picked. Ramsdale is only 23 so plenty of time for him to keep improving.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:06 pm

beddie wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:04 pm
Thought the lad did well in that instance. Can’t understand why people feel the need to constantly criticise him, I can only think it’s because Pope hasn’t been picked. Ramsdale is only 23 so plenty of time for him to keep improving.

I'd go further than that. I think Ramsdale has the potential to be England's number one for many years to come.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:07 pm

beddie wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:04 pm
Thought the lad did well in that instance. Can’t understand why people feel the need to constantly criticise him, I can only think it’s because Pope hasn’t been picked. Ramsdale is only 23 so plenty of time for him to keep improving.

Well that will be because, on this specific occasion, he got himself in no man's land.
i am not having a go at his game in general, but that sort of error against decent opposition would very likely result in conceding a goal.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:07 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:02 pm
Sure, but the point I was making in my first post was that I have never seen an international side as poor as San Marino. Consistently poor too.

You've lost me, I was replying to minnie's comment

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:09 pm

That's it for San Marino, down to ten men.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:10 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:37 pm
If the tiny countries were showing any improvement then there would be an argument for their inclusion, but they are not.

Not sure how a country with a population about half the size of Burnley can really improve.

Been suggested on this thread but the only way of avoiding too many of these games is to have some kind of qualifying competition.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:11 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:07 pm
You've lost me, I was replying to minnie's comment

You quoted me.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:11 pm

8, Mings makes the result safe

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:11 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:09 pm
That's it for San Marino, down to ten men.

Sometimes its harder playing against 10 men. This could be a tricky last 20 mins for us

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:11 pm

Game over.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:11 pm

They must be bad

Mings has just scored

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:13 pm

9... Bellingham

We want 10!

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:13 pm

Not sure how it works out numbers wise but anyone who finishes bottom of the Nations League, Group D I mean, shouldn't qualify for the qualification of the next major tournament. If you finish bottom against the other 3 teams in your group,who are also of the lowest ranking, should be enough to say you ain't up to it in normal qualification. The same way some teams get play off spots for finishing at the top.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:13 pm

Nine.
I'm honestly having a job keeping up.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:10 pm
Not sure how a country with a population about half the size of Burnley can really improve.

Been suggested on this thread but the only way of avoiding too many of these games is to have some kind of qualifying competition.

I totally agree with you.
The fact that we are posting during the game pretty much says it all. 9 now

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:14 pm

VAR check...... Disallowed.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:14 pm

Nevermind, back down to 8

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:14 pm

Haha. Hilarious decision.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:16 pm

With some of the decisions he’s been making, think the ref needs to go through some preliminaries as well

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:16 pm

Inspirational words from Lee Dixon when goal number eight went in with 21 mins to go. He said: “This could be double figures.” It’s good to know that we can get an expert’s view of the game.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:16 pm

What a t*t this ref is.
How’s that a booking for Abrahams

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:16 pm

And how is that not a goal?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:16 pm

Booking too... sympathy vote!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:17 pm

ref's having a blinder

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:17 pm

That disallowed goal as silly as the first penalty. At least it's honours even in that respect now.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:17 pm

Has a ref ever been sent to the monitor and not overturned their decision?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:16 pm
Inspirational words from Lee Dixon when goal number eight went in with 21 mins to go. He said: “This could be double figures.” It’s good to know that we can get an expert’s view of the game.

Yes, he's a shining light

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:19 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:11 pm
You quoted me.

You first quoted me going on about Lineker when I never mentioned him and how is pointing out to me that Lineker scored 4 against Spain making the point that you "have never seen an international side as poor as San Marino"

Have you been drinking lad?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:19 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:16 pm
And how is that not a goal?

I think because Abraham caught the defender's foot.
Probably letter of the law, though I'm not sure what the law is any more

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:19 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:17 pm
Has a ref ever been sent to the monitor and not overturned their decision?

Definitely happened in a Premier League game - think it was Anthony Taylor

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:19 pm
Definitely happened in a Premier League game - think it was Anthony Taylor

Seems like a total charade, designed to let the referees save face whilst wasting another couple of minutes.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:21 pm

Back up to 9 Abraham.

10 - Trent AA scores.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:21 pm

This could get messy for San Marino.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:21 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:21 pm

I think we should see if Ramsdale can knock one in

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:22 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:21 pm
Back up to 9 Abraham.

10 - Trent AA scores.

Saka

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:22 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:22 pm
Saka

Oops, I misheard but I'm not used to England scoring so many goals in my defence

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:23 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:19 pm
You first quoted me going on about Lineker when I never mentioned him and how is pointing out to me that Lineker scored 4 against Spain making the point that you "have never seen an international side as poor as San Marino"

Have you been drinking lad?

No. I was making the point that the top players can do it against the bigger teams. It was why I was a big Lineker fan. Never mind.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:24 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:22 pm
Oops, I misheard but I'm not used to England scoring so many goals in my defence

Tbf it was Trent that crossed it