Anthony Martial on loan?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:40 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:06 pm
Not trying to be rude Quicken but I think you and a number of other posters have been playing too much fifa.

There is absolutely zero chance this deal would happen for a long list of reasons

It might be pie in the sky but if you aim high and fall short you go a lot further than accepting any old shite.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:16 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:27 pm
Cheick Doucoure and Mohammed Bayo

I don't know about these two players but after the impact that Cornet has made you'd hope that we are a lot more open to options like this

Kazoo · Post by **Kazoo** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:08 pm

I think the nay-sayers need to consider that we could be the right club for Martial to revive his international career.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:14 pm

Having just watched United, who were crap by the way.
Who wants a player who cannot get in a very rubbish United side.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:14 pm

Kazoo wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:08 pm
I think the nay-sayers need to consider that we could be the right club for Martial to revive his international career.

Oh goodness me

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:15 pm

Anthony Martial as a player is about as far from Sean Dyche’s grenade football as we could possibly get. Not a chance on earth.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:16 pm

Kazoo wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:08 pm
I think the nay-sayers need to consider that we could be the right club for Martial to revive his international career.

Can you honestly highlight one reason why Martial would want to come to Burnley?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:16 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:16 pm
I don't know about these two players but after the impact that Cornet has made you'd hope that we are a lot more open to options like this

I watch a fair bit of French football. I think it’s the closest foreign league to the premier league.

Both of them players look like real talents

Kazoo · Post by **Kazoo** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:19 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:16 pm
Can you honestly highlight one reason why Martial would want to come to Burnley?

He'd get prime time with us and could turn out to be the saviour. Not convinced Rangnick fancies Martial. Let's face it... None of our current strikers are doing us any favours, and Martial would only need to commit for six months.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:23 pm

Kazoo wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:19 pm
He'd get prime time with us and could turn out to be the saviour. Not convinced Rangnick fancies Martial. Let's face it... None of our current strikers are doing us any favours, and Martial would only need to commit for six months.

Why would Martial go to team in the relegation spots when he can go and play champions league football elsewhere?

Honestly there’s as much chance as us signing Pogba

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:24 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:16 pm
I don't know about these two players but after the impact that Cornet has made you'd hope that we are a lot more open to options like this

Very decent players and good options that we could presumably afford. Bayo is a big lad, a bit clumsy looking but scores a lot of tap ins and I like that in a striker. Would suit us, I think. Doucouré a defensive midfielder who looks strong & decent on the ball. No idea about their attitude or English.

Can never judge Ligue 1 players in terms of quality though. I didn’t think Maxwel would be such a sensation.

Kazoo · Post by **Kazoo** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:30 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:23 pm
Why would Martial go to team in the relegation spots when he can go and play champions league football elsewhere?

Honestly there’s as much chance as us signing Pogba

Is a loan for six months really out of our financial reach when we're desperate for a decent striker and, in turn, desperate to stay in the Prem?

I don't think we should panic buy in January. We just just need someone to see us through to the end of the season. If we get relegated then at least we aren't lumbered with a failure and his wages.

Also, if Martial is desperate to leave United as reports suggest, maybe he'd enjoy the challenge. Alternatively we could just let him go to Newcastle with a whimper.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:31 pm

Kazoo wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:30 pm
Is a loan for six months really out of our financial reach when we're desperate for a decent striker and, in turn, desperate to stay in the Prem?

I don't think we should panic buy in January. We just just need someone to see us through to the end of the season. If we get relegated then at least we aren't lumbered with a failure and his wages.

Also, if Martial is desperate to leave United as reports suggest, maybe he'd enjoy the challenge. Alternatively we could just let him go to Newcastle with a whimper.

Different bracket of club. Newcastle have money to waste, we don’t.

Kazoo · Post by **Kazoo** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:36 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:31 pm
Different bracket of club. Newcastle have money to waste, we don’t.

The balance is always going to be how much the owners want to risk for the reward of staying in the league. If we go down without investing anything in January then I'm seriously shitting myself about what lies ahead. Just some intent, even if it fails, would be nice. Surely we can be canny enough to get around a few teams in and around us.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:12 am

We’d better make our move quick. Savilla in with an offer for him

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:17 am

Who makes up this shite?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:43 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:12 am
We’d better make our move quick. Savilla in with an offer for him

Utd have rejected it, they're waiting for us to make our move.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:46 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:43 pm
Utd have rejected it, they're waiting for us to make our move.

Good stuff… Make your move Alan

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:31 pm

"Sevilla thought they could get Martial during January's transfer window but it is understood the offer only covered half of his wages, which are thought to be around £150,000 a week."

That's all you need to know about 1) why he aint coming 2) why I don't want him here and 3) everything thats wrong with football

Kazoo · Post by **Kazoo** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:50 pm

I guess that answers my question about him being within financial reach...

thelaughingclaret · Post by **thelaughingclaret** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:59 pm

Did the op mean this fella?
https://www.soccerbase.com/players/play ... _id=106865

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:09 pm

we need someone who can pass a ball, if we are suggesting unrealistic loans from Man United I'd rather have Juan Mata

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:41 pm

thelaughingclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:59 pm
Did the op mean this fella?
https://www.soccerbase.com/players/play ... _id=106865

I dunno, has he put a transfer request in?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:56 pm

Lots of people on here claiming to be in the know and saying that Martial is on silly kinds of money. But he's actually only on £150,000 per week.

Fact check: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59811365

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:58 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:56 pm
Lots of people on here claiming to be in the know and saying that Martial is on silly kinds of money. But he's actually only on £150,000 per week.

Fact check: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59811365

Ah, that's allright then.
Welll within our pay structure

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:00 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:56 pm
Lots of people on here claiming to be in the know and saying that Martial is on silly kinds of money. But he's actually only on £150,000 per week.

Fact check: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59811365

Only on 150k a week, it's a hard life for the lad ain't it.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:04 am

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:00 pm
Only on 150k a week, it's a hard life for the lad ain't it.

He is on a decent wage but he is at United who have the largest wage bill in the Premier League, fact. It just isn’t helpful when people make up a weekly wage far higher than this to support their posts/counter argument on this thread.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:35 am

Jamesy wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:04 am
He is on a decent wage but he is at United who have the largest wage bill in the Premier League, fact. It just isn’t helpful when people make up a weekly wage far higher than this to support their posts/counter argument on this thread.

Because 150k per week is peanuts isn't ut?

Honestly I am amazed people think there is even a slight chance he would rock up here on loan. Deluded.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:37 pm

Mata is a far more realistic call. I suspect Lingard will bound for the Sleeping Giants.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:40 pm

Jamesy wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:04 am
He is on a decent wage but he is at United who have the largest wage bill in the Premier League, fact. It just isn’t helpful when people make up a weekly wage far higher than this to support their posts/counter argument on this thread.

By Burnley standards 150k a week is way out of our reach, even for a loan signing, and Martial wouldn't entertain the prospect of coming to Burnley anyway.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:34 pm

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:31 pm
"Sevilla thought they could get Martial during January's transfer window but it is understood the offer only covered half of his wages, which are thought to be around £150,000 a week."

That's all you need to know about 1) why he aint coming 2) why I don't want him here and 3) everything thats wrong with football

Paul Hirst in the Times today:

"Manchester United have rejected a loan bid from Seville for Anthony Martial, their France striker.

The Times understands that United rejected the six-month loan offer because the Spanish club were only prepared to pay half of Martial’s £250,000-per-week wages.

United would only be willing to do business with Seville, or any other suitors, if they are committed to paying all of the 26-year-old’s wages for the rest of the season.

It is also understood that United are looking for a loan fee for the forward, who arrived, from Monaco for an initial fee of £36m in the summer of 2015."

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I've no idea if Martial is on £150,000 a week, or as the Times reports £250,000 a week.

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:37 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:34 pm
I've no idea if Martial is on £150,000 a week, or as the Times reports £250,000 a week.

Either way, he aint coming here.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:41 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:34 pm

I've no idea if Martial is on £150,000 a week, or as the Times reports £250,000 a week.

There’s plenty of sources that say £250k, Paul. Which is presumably where the £6m loan fee comes from. Would we finish 3 places higher if we had a player of Martial’s quality though? I think yes, so it could pay for itself, but as with all these decent fringe players from the big clubs - they’ll all have better options available to them than little old Burnley, even if we were willing to splash the cash.

nyclaret · Post by **nyclaret** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:42 pm

Is this thread still going?

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:53 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:41 pm
There’s plenty of sources that say £250k, Paul. Which is presumably where the £6m loan fee comes from. Would we finish 3 places higher if we had a player of Martial’s quality though? I think yes, so it could pay for itself, but as with all these decent fringe players from the big clubs - they’ll all have better options available to them than little old Burnley, even if we were willing to splash the cash.

It’s not as simple as will we finish 3 places higher though. Because while ha has undoubted quality, he behaves like a dick so you don’t know if the quality will be seen. If you knew martial would do his best, he’d be starting for United...

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:58 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:41 pm
There’s plenty of sources that say £250k, Paul. Which is presumably where the £6m loan fee comes from. Would we finish 3 places higher if we had a player of Martial’s quality though? I think yes, so it could pay for itself, but as with all these decent fringe players from the big clubs - they’ll all have better options available to them than little old Burnley, even if we were willing to splash the cash.

It’s 6m in wages covered and a loan fee on top.

Why is this even being discussed, there is literally zero chance this is going to happen.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:16 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:58 pm
It’s 6m in wages covered and a loan fee on top.

Why is this even being discussed, there is literally zero chance this is going to happen.

Everyone’s just discussing a fantasy signing/situation on a football message board. Stranger things have/are happening in the world.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:22 pm

Personally I'm sick of the mega-big clubs signing more players than they need and then trying to hire them out.
It's not a benevolent act, it's actually pretty disgusting.
There was a time when a loan was actually a loan, mutually beneficial to both clubs and the player involved.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:32 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:53 pm
It’s not as simple as will we finish 3 places higher though. Because while ha has undoubted quality, he behaves like a dick so you don’t know if the quality will be seen. If you knew martial would do his best, he’d be starting for United...

True, and there’s a decent argument that any such “star” signing in a Burnley team could have the opposite effect.

My point was more that while the fees seem extortionate (and may not actually be met by any team), they may actually be cost neutral if successful.

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:32 pm

From Anthony Martial’s point of view, he’d probably be playing PL football every week at a club that is ‘just down the road’ from where he lives.

We pay £60k a week wages and Utd. pay the other £90k.

Highly unlikely but I wouldn’t put anything beyond the ambition of Alan Pace.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:41 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:22 pm
Personally I'm sick of the mega-big clubs signing more players than they need and then trying to hire them out.
It's not a benevolent act, it's actually pretty disgusting.
There was a time when a loan was actually a loan, mutually beneficial to both clubs and the player involved.

I agree, although in most cases you find that the players being touted for a loan were signed by a different manager, played lots initially (under them) and then fell out of favour under a new manager. In Martials case, he’s been there 7 years so presumably been through 4 or so managers now.

I also disagree with PL clubs collecting loan players like Fulham & WBA did last year. Had either of them stayed up with other teams players making up the majority of their starting XI, over us (playing our own team), that would be completely wrong.