100% down to Dyche

[davetheclaret]

Got the team selection and tactics totally wrong. Cornet had to start. McNeil has to
Play on the left. JGB is just no longer good enough and neither is Cork. Collins needs to play maybe in a back 3.

Today we looked like a relegated team and Dyche looked desperate and out of ideas

Agree with all of that FCburnley if we can see it why cant Dyche, regarding Cornet he may have felt keep it tight to 0-0 and then give him last 25 mins id rather he'd start and maybe get our nose in front.

[JohnDearyMe]

I have to agree that since Tony Loughran left and Stone replaced him we seem to have gone from bad to worse

Interesting. I've heard a few people say that this change in backroom staff has had a profund impact now

[CoolClaret]

Why, the poster believes in things which some people believe arent there (also known as a joke) so in effect he believes in a manager with hardly any success in the last twelve months and wont have it that anyone else has a valid opinion apart from him that that manager is successful.

If you believe in things which arent there it doesnt make you a prat it makes you delusional.

Your offended because you believe God exists or that Sean Dyche has managed Burnley well this season, which one?

I’m not offended by anything - I just believe if you want to refute someones point made about a specific topic then perhaps don’t attack their character/personal belief that doesn’t relate to the said topic.

It’s extremely immature.

[boatshed bill]

I think it's more about consistently rewarding poor performance... that's from management to the PL squad.
They've all become too comfortable, in my oopinion.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I’m not offended by anything - I just believe if you want to refute someones point made about a specific topic then perhaps don’t attack their character/personal belief that doesn’t relate to the said topic.

It’s extremely immature.

So reading between the lines you believe in things which dont exist?

[CoolClaret]

So reading between the lines you believe in things which dont exist?

You’re pathetic

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

You’re pathetic

Thanks

[Jamesy]

One stat we should not disregard is a paltry four wins from the last 42 games.

[BurnleyFC]

Is ‘DAVETHEVICAR’ even a man of the cloth? I’ve seen him use the word ‘Xmas’ on here which makes me believe he probably isn’t.

[Somethingfishy]

One stat we should not disregard is a paltry four wins from the last 42 games.

That is the issue that gets lost with the Dyche fanboys. They insist he will turn it around..after all he is literally the only man that can do it
Yet these stats are there for all to see. 42 games isn't just recent form. This is no knee jerk reaction. It's a full year of consistently poor results. I don't see the optimism he will turn it around.
Then it becomes the default position to say he is the only man that can get us back up. If he is to stay..and whatever division we find ourselves in...he is going to have to rip up the loyalty cards some players seem to have and build a new team. The contract situations might give him the chance with some hefty overpaid wages off the books.

[Newcastleclaret93]

One stat we should not disregard is a paltry four wins from the last 42 games.

I said it after the United game. We would struggle to get top 6 in the championship and I was laughed at/bullied out of the room.

After today I stick by that comment. We have a midfield that can’t pass or cover the ground effectively. A strike force that look like they have down tooled. Dyche looks completely out of ideas, and he doesn’t seem willing to try anything different.

[boatshed bill]

I said it after the United game. We would struggle to get top 6 in the championship and I was laughed at/bullied out of the room.

After today I stick by that comment. We have a midfield that can’t pass or cover the ground effectively. A strike force that look like they have down tooled. Dyche looks completely out of ideas, and he doesn’t seem willing to try anything different.

Our management comprises 3 ex Nottingham Forest players from the 80s to 90s.
Football moves on very quickly, and I can't help thinking that we'd be better off moving on and leaving these 3 behind.
They just don't seem to be improving, or improving our players.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Our management comprises 3 ex Nottingham Forest players from the 80s to 90s.
Football moves on very quickly, and I can't help thinking that we'd be better off moving on and leaving these 3 behind.
They just don't seem to be improving, or improving our players.

We are the only side in the prem that is afraid of the ball.

We have no composure on the ball at all. The amount of times we received the ball in space and panicked today, the lads automatically just hoof it up the pitch rather than look for a pass to a team mate. I’m sorry but that comes down to management nothing else

[Bfc]

There’s no doubt, we’re all wound up after today’s loss.
The task in hand has now been made harder. Dyche has not changed his system and given the performances of the previous 12 months, he’s not going to. The 1 goal scored per game, says it all.
Sadly I’ve resigned myself to relegation on the basis of the points I expect we could get upto the end of the season and him not wanting to try out a different style of play. Like playing down the wings and getting ball into the box. We’ve done it before and we were getting results with it. If he did, it may help Wood score more and not be caught offside so much. Cornet will play an important role in our battle against relegation, with his quality and goals.
The lack of any goals from our midfielders have been a factor in our predicament. Strikers miss chances and defenders make mistakes, leading to conceding goals, but the manager should shoulder some of the blame for the teams overall results.

[Inchy]

I tell you what is 100% down to Dyche

4 years of premier league football
Beating bastards for the first time in decades
European football
2 promotions and one championship trophy

[MACCA]

Our management comprises 3 ex Nottingham Forest players from the 80s to 90s.
Football moves on very quickly, and I can't help thinking that we'd be better off moving on and leaving these 3 behind.
They just don't seem to be improving, or improving our players.

And at least 1 is on a jolly boys outing, literally getting paid to say "yes gaffer"

[Targetman]

I often wonder why people who don't go to our games shout the loudest when things aren't going well?

[Nonayforever]

I tell you what is 100% down to Dyche

4 years of premier league football
Beating bastards for the first time in decades
European football
2 promotions and one championship trophy

Yes, but that was yesterday. Give him a framed photograph & a handshake in front of the press.

Get someone in that understands that football is just an entertainment business and not an old mates get rich scheme.

[randomclaret2]

I tell you what is 100% down to Dyche

4 years of premier league football
Beating bastards for the first time in decades
European football
2 promotions and one championship trophy

Isnt this our 7th Premier League season under Dyche ?

[tiger76]

One stat we should not disregard is a paltry four wins from the last 42 games.

Crikey! is it that bad, I knew we were in a rut, but I had no idea it was that bad of a rut.

[MACCA]

Crikey! is it that bad, I knew we were in a rut, but I had no idea it was that bad of a rut.

And without wanting to cause offence, that's the issue...
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[randomclaret2]

And without wanting to cause offence, that's the issue...
.

That stat doesnt seem right to me...

[Somethingfishy]

I tell you what is 100% down to Dyche

4 years of premier league football
Beating bastards for the first time in decades
European football
2 promotions and one championship trophy

.....and now??? Jesus wept.

[Somethingfishy]

And at least 1 is on a jolly boys outing, literally getting paid to say "yes gaffer"

Burnleys answer to Phil Neal with Graham Taylor

[tiger76]

That stat doesnt seem right to me...

If it's more wins, it's not very many more.

Won at Anfield, then beat Villa, won at Palace, won at Everton, won at Wolves, won at Fulham all in the 2nd half of last season, then beat Brentford in November I think.

So I get 7/42, still terrible whichever way you dissect it, and over the course of a season that equates to 6 wins, which would almost certainly result in relegation.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

.....and now??? Jesus wept.

I'm not sure you can blame Dyche for Jesus weeping..

[CrosspoolClarets]

Out of the sides down there, we have looked the best so far. Watford, Newcastle and Norwich have looked awful, whereas we have thrown games away with occasional lapses at both ends.

Today was a rare rank performance. There is Covid in the camp, who knows which players have fought it off, and who knows if doing so costs a bit of energy. They played 65 hours earlier, an unchanged side (which Dyche was silly to do for that reason).

I think Wood was burnt out after the Olympics, other strikers have never scored a lot. Dyche’s flaws are obvious but haven’t changed, he has kept us up despite them for years.

Need:

a) reinforcements
b) playing in-form players
c) calmness
d) luck

Then we’ll be ok. I think we’ll get A and C. D we seem to always fail to get. B is a Dyche weakness.

[Murger]

Out of the sides down there, we have looked the best so far. Watford, Newcastle and Norwich have looked awful, whereas we have thrown games away with occasional lapses at both ends.

Today was a rare rank performance. There is Covid in the camp, who knows which players have fought it off, and who knows if doing so costs a bit of energy. They played 65 hours earlier, an unchanged side (which Dyche was silly to do for that reason).

I think Wood was burnt out after the Olympics, other strikers have never scored a lot. Dyche’s flaws are obvious but haven’t changed, he has kept us up despite them for years.

Need:

a) reinforcements
b) playing in-form players
c) calmness
d) luck

Then we’ll be ok. I think we’ll get A and C. D we seem to always fail to get. B is a Dyche weakness.

There was nothing rare about that performance. It's been happening for about a year.

[nyclaret]

Sean is not earning his coin at the moment. How much is his new contract worth? Things need improving ASAP.

[Row Z]

Sean shows loyalty but he has shown he is willing to change things up.. now is definitely the time. Performances were OK without the results, but now performances are dropping too. He needs to change it up, but is very limited on options given the number of players out of form / unavailable.

[MACCA]

Need:

a) reinforcements
b) playing in-form players
c) calmness
d) luck

Then we’ll be ok. I think we’ll get A and C. D we seem to always fail to get. B is a Dyche weakness.

A ) highly doubtful, infact nearly impossible to get the ones needed to get us out of this mess
B ) I can't think of many, if any in form
C ) it's never been our strong suit hashing whack it up
D ) the more you practice the luckier you get, hoping for flavours rarely works, nor should you ever expect it too

[Andreshotboots]

Can't help wondering is Sean reaching his "Arsene Wenger" stage with the club now?

By that I obviously mean that he's worked miracles, ran the club pretty much from top to bottom, had great longevity and had relative sustained success for our club size.

However, like Wenger at the end, opinion was massively split between supporters, there were huge fallouts taking place and pros and cons for keeping, and changing the manger.

It's very evident recently on social media we are at that stage, with opinions massively split, and it's undeniable that attendances have been way down, and largely not down to Covid related reasons.

It's such a tricky one, does the club stick with Sean and hope that if the worst happens, he's the man to get us back, or do they look for a change, risk a few dodgy seasons like Arsenal have had but hope like Arsenal seem to be doing now, once the new guys style is embedded things improve on the pitch?

[Woodleyclaret]

We are going on a Cup run
Coming up next week from Reading for the start of it ,which will be 100% down to Sean Dyche and our team UTC

[beeholeclaret]

Dyche himself knew a couple of years back that recruitment was needed and evidently he was close to leaving the club due to his frustration at not having money to spend. In his time here he has always shown a responsible attitude towards the clubs overall financial position and tried to make the best of limited resources and hence the type of players that our low budget is likely to bring in and maintain their salaries etc. 2 years on and we have a new owner who must have promised funds for Sean to rebuild his team but it takes time to buy and integrate new players into the team and he has been hampered by not having funds available in the Jan 2021 window and even in the summer we were towards the end of the queue with our last minute purchases which gave Dyche little time to work with them before the new season started. On top of that Roberts and Cornet have been injued / sick for much of the season and Collins and Hennessey have had little chance to shift the mainstays of our team (ie Pope, Tarks & Mee). I hope that Dyche and the board have plans to bring in another 3 or 4 players of similar quality to the summer and to provide some much needed energy and pace to midfield and forward line. The January window though is notorious for prices being hiked up and desperate clubs wasting money to try to escape relegation etc so we will have to watch this one. Even if we do buy some quality players will take time for them to settle in and by that time it maybe too late to get points on the board. Dyche is stubborn and loyal and frustrates the hell out of a lot of our supporters. However it is these qualities which have enabled him to build an effective team that has managed to stay in the Premier League for 6 seasons to date. We do not see what goes on behind the scenes and on the training ground but generally Dyche is the boss and works well with his players with apparently little dissent. Personally I would be prepared to continue to have him charge as he and his players are a credit to the club and the town. Some of the shenanigins that go on in the Premier League are a disgrace particularly with the players and managers at the so called big clubs. The pressure they put on referees VAR etc means they appear to get every decision going whilst Dyche and Burnley have to pick up the crumbs as and when. I think he has tried to attack more in 2021 generally but as a result we have been picked off on the break by many teams and our defence has been constantly exposed to the speed merchants. Leeds today broke clear a number of times before their first goal and Man United did similar on Thursday. I think we should play a 4-5-1 formation and sit tight with a greater chance of controlling the ball in the middle of the park and leaving fewer gaps for opponents to run at us. We have proved before that sitting back allows our goalie and defenders to more repel numerous attacks. Our players are too old and too tired to match the energy and speed of most of the other Premier League teams so in the absence of new younger blood we just have to put up with it and that includes Dyche. We have "started" our season properly in January on previous occasions so I am hoping fervently that we can all stick together and the team can get a few wins to boost confidence. Just my views any way. UTC

[dougcollins]

Interesting. I've heard a few people say that this change in backroom staff has had a profund impact now

Sir Alex Ferguson always put great reliance on his number twos. He did ok.

[arise_sir_charge]

Out of the sides down there, we have looked the best so far. Watford, Newcastle and Norwich have looked awful, whereas we have thrown games away with occasional lapses at both ends.

Today was a rare rank performance. There is Covid in the camp, who knows which players have fought it off, and who knows if doing so costs a bit of energy. They played 65 hours earlier, an unchanged side (which Dyche was silly to do for that reason).

I think Wood was burnt out after the Olympics, other strikers have never scored a lot. Dyche’s flaws are obvious but haven’t changed, he has kept us up despite them for years.

Need:

a) reinforcements
b) playing in-form players
c) calmness
d) luck

Then we’ll be ok. I think we’ll get A and C. D we seem to always fail to get. B is a Dyche weakness.

There was nothing rare about today! We’ve been bloody woeful for months and months now.

Some people need to wake up, we are bang in trouble and no amount of sentimental “in Dyche we trust” nonsense is going to get us out of it.

Things need to change and quickly. He’s the manager and he needs to get us head out of the sand, stop talking about margins and edges accept it’s nowhere near good enough and sort it out.

[Vegas Claret]

Our management comprises 3 ex Nottingham Forest players from the 80s to 90s.
Football moves on very quickly, and I can't help thinking that we'd be better off moving on and leaving these 3 behind.
They just don't seem to be improving, or improving our players.

Forest played some superb football under Clough......

[FCBurnley]

I don’t think anybody on here is questioning Sean’s record since he joined the club. He and the players have certainly punched above their weight.
But this season has seen a big down turn in performances and Sean has failed to stop the slump
Today his team selection, players positions and substitutions were simply wrong. His desperation in the last 15 minutes were there for all to see and all this after a fabulous Maxwell Cornet Goal had given us hope for at least a point and maybe all 3.
It is only 1 game but it was a very high profile must not lose game against against weakened opposition
We still have over half of the season to play and there is time to turn it all round despite only 1 win in 17
One thing I can guarantee is that if we are relegated and Blackburn are lucky enough to take our PL place then all of Sean’s great work will have been to no avail. Is Alan Pace the man to make the right choices ? We will see what if anything he decides to do !!!
Personally I would like to see him support the manager with some quality signings. I think if he does nothing then we will be relegated We still have 11 home games to play but with only 2 home wins in 2021 then our home form has to change big time UTC

[Wile E Coyote]

Sir Alex Ferguson always put great reliance on his number twos. He did ok.

That was just a healthy diet, and loads of fibre.

[bfcjg]

With great wages comes great responsibility , if you cannot at least get a team motivated to play some decent football, don't hold out for a massive contract.

[thelaughingclaret]

The players clearly aren’t playing for the manager anymore.
Everyone has sussed Dyche out, he hasn’t changed the way he plays since he came to the club. Tactically he is inept. This can’t continue forever. Something has to give.
We will not get promoted next seasons if the players are still putting in the same effort they did today. The buck stops with Dyche if he can’t motivate them anymore.

[Papabendi]

We will hopefully play some football when. Whiffy Dyche leaves

[bodge]

You can rightly point towards a lack of technical ability and pace alongside the lack of possession but one thing that is bang wrong is accusing them of lack of effort and motivation, they never give up.

They never throw the towel in, when have we been tonked this season ?

[DuckworthsEA]

I’ve just put this on another thread but thought it should be here too.

We all want a scape goat, Dyche isn’t mine…

It’s the lack of investment in players that can improve our first 11, for the past 2/3 seasons that’s catching up with us.

It’s understandable that people want a scape goat after todays performance. It was disappointing to say the least, especially since none of us have seen our side win, live, more than 1 Premier League game in nearly 18 months.

For those that are turning on Dyche, the man that’s let’s be honest, is the main reason we are in the position we are, consider that you can’t place the blame on the lack of players that improve our first 11 on his shoulders.

It’s his job to get the best out of the team, absolutely, however what else can he get out of the likes of Cork, Westwood, Lowton, JBG. People turn on Wood constantly but the service he receives is terrible. There is a reason 4/6 Max’s goals are screamers.

A small amount of investment has been made and look at the difference one man, Cornet can make. We need 2/3 players that can walk into the first team in January or we are down. If/When we go down I’d 100% back Dyche to take us back up but again only if we add some quality to the side. That’s the boards job, come up with the funds and back The Manager.

If the funds are not there then sell Tarks for whatever you can get, McNeil can go and replace him with someone that will give 100%. If Mee won’t sign a new deal then off he goes and get someone in that wants to give everything for the shirt as I haven’t seen that in both the last two games from either three.

I’m sticking with Dyche and fingers crossed we get some quality through the door.

Up the clarets.

[Papabendi]

The players clearly aren’t playing for the manager anymore.
Everyone has sussed Dyche out, he hasn’t changed the way he plays since he came to the club. Tactically he is inept. This can’t continue forever. Something has to give.
We will not get promoted next seasons if the players are still putting in the same effort they did today. The buck stops with Dyche if he can’t motivate them anymore.

A number of players want out. I know this for a fact,

Coaching sometimes means fresh voices and ideas

[Row Z]

We will hopefully play some football when. Whiffy Dyche leaves

We can and have played good football under Dyche. Its when confidence and results drop that we struggle to string two passes together.

[CrosspoolClarets]

A ) highly doubtful, infact nearly impossible to get the ones needed to get us out of this mess
B ) I can't think of many, if any in form
C ) it's never been our strong suit hashing whack it up
D ) the more you practice the luckier you get, hoping for flavours rarely works, nor should you ever expect it too

I see it slightly differently.

A) Until Pope got Covid we had one of the best goals against record so all we need is one goalscorer or creator (ideal to get more but one good player could make all the difference)
B) Collins, but the point is, when we get a run of form that player should stay in, not bring a “favourite” back which Sean often does
C) The squad looks happier than our rivals, lots of clips of them training suggest that
D) We have been so unlucky, lack of penalties (e.g. Krul on Vydra), Covid postponements for Watford, Everton and Leeds, world class strikes (Everton etc). Just need a bounce of the ball. Agree to earn our own luck in places.

I don’t think we are far away, but those reinforcements seem key, and when we get them, we are often loathe to throw them in.

[dsr]

One stat we should not disregard is a paltry four wins from the last 42 games.

But on the other hand, we don't want to disregard the stat that we only lost 3 of those games and drew the other 35.

Only yesterday, people were looking at the league table that showed we won 7 out of 39 last calendar year. Things have gone downhill pretty fast in 2022.

[Elizabeth]

It’s an over reaction to put today’s performance 100% down to Dyche.
It is his job to manage though and he is not getting the best out of the current squad which is stronger than last season

[Kazoo]

We can always laugh at Newcastle only managing a point against United and ignore what a horrible bag of shite we are! Horses for courses around here when you want to just laugh at others without recognising how pisspoor we are ourselves.

The arrogance and lack of humility of some is astonishing.