Mr. Tarkowski

[KRBFC]

The yellow card he picked up on the sideline, he just left his man completely in the middle. No idea what he was doing, he was very lucky not to be sent off for a second yellow in a very similar scenario, completely leaving his man in the middle and doing god knows what at right back.

The top defenders in the top teams 1v1 are incredible, Tarkowski is levels away from that.

[Elizabeth]

It’s all over as far as I’m concerned and my trust is that Dyche recognises this.

[boatshed bill]

We can take Crouch out of the equation. Only brought in as cover for Vokes leaving and the deal we got for Vokes was incredible.

The points I was trying to make were:
A. If I was the chairman I would have had reservations about throwing that sort of "investment" at the squad a second time
B. From our record one year spend we really haven't had value.

[ClaretTony]

Apart from the thick end of £40m in 2018, which brought us :

Hart, nuff said
Gibson, Oops
Vydra, not a PL striker
Pieters,
Rodriguez, he's one of our own
Crouch.

There's the problem in a nutshell.
If you invest you expect something back.

Three of those six signings were in 2019

[boatshed bill]

Three of those six signings were in 2019

OK, but it was over those windows, and a hell of a lot of money by our standards.
Do you think we got value for money? I don't
Do you see any forward planning ( barGibson)? I don't

[ClaretTony]

OK, but it was over those windows, and a hell of a lot of money by our standards.
Do you think we got value for money? I don't
Do you see any forward planning ( barGibson)? I don't

I read just the other day that Dyche wasn't happy with that summer 2018 window having got into Europe. A goalkeeper past his best and two Championship players, neither of whom have shown themselves really up to Premier League football.

[boatshed bill]

I read just the other day that Dyche wasn't happy with that summer 2018 window having got into Europe. A goalkeeper past his best and two Championship players, neither of whom have shown themselves really up to Premier League football.

Who makes these decisions?

[ClaretTony]

Who makes these decisions?

More, who was making those decisions I think.

[boatshed bill]

More, who was making those decisions I think.

Strange.
I know absolutely nothing about how the club is run but I find it odd that anyone other than the manager (of any club) can sanction the signing of players, since if that manager doesn't want them he will do his best not to play them

[ClaretTony]

Strange.
I know absolutely nothing about how the club is run but I find it odd that anyone other than the manager (of any club) can sanction the signing of players, since if that manager doesn't want them he will do his best not to play them

Like Tuchel & Lukaku

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

As I pointed out earlier, even if we accepted a bid, he is unlikely to agree personal terms as he will get way more wages in the summer.

Seems we have backed ourselves into a corner then, shame really as £10m plus could go on his replacement whoever that may be.

Id also sell Mee to Newcastle in the summer (after extending his contract with the year option we seem to have) if they'll take him, another high earner off the books if we go down.

[boatshed bill]

Like Tuchel & Lukaku

TBH I don't know how Chelsea go about their business.
In fact, does Lukaku play for Chelsea? I'm not being funny, I thought he left years ago

[SouthLondonexile]

He made an identical error at Southampton.
Sloppiness is how I would describe it.
However he still remains a very good player, and one I would keep until the end of the season or beyond if he decides to stay.
His mistake has been magnified out of proportion only because we are in such a poor position in the league.
Also for the life of me I cannot understand why Cornet did not start against Leeds with McNeil on the bench.

[bobinho]

For me at this stage, Tarks goes on the bench for Collins.

Tarks is leaving. Whether that is this month or the end of the season. He is not the future for us, Collins is. Get him in the side, playing alongside Mee for the rest of the season.

[tiger76]

Seems we have backed ourselves into a corner then, shame really as £10m plus could go on his replacement whoever that may be.

Id also sell Mee to Newcastle in the summer (after extending his contract with the year option we seem to have) if they'll take him, another high earner off the books if we go down.

Why would Newcastle be interested in Ben Mee come the summer?, assuming they survive they'll be planning to sign much better players than Ben.

[BabylonClaret]

Strange.
I know absolutely nothing about how the club is run but I find it odd that anyone other than the manager (of any club) can sanction the signing of players, since if that manager doesn't want them he will do his best not to play them

Seeing as we very actively pursued a dual signing of Jayrod and Dawson I think its pretty obvious we got second (even third in Gibsons case) dibs. Given what we did fork out for Vydra and Gibson it wasn't a million miles away from the asking for the two we did want.

In hindsight I pretty much thi k that was the point Gaick pa icked and decided to jump ship

[boatshed bill]

Seeing as we very actively pursued a dual signing of Jayrod and Dawson I think its pretty obvious we got second (even third in Gibsons case) dibs. Given what we did fork out for Vydra and Gibson it wasn't a million miles away from the asking for the two we did want.

In hindsight I pretty much thi k that was the point Gaick pa icked and decided to jump ship

I see, so Gibson and Vydra were kind of the best we could have got at the time?
But, apparently, SD didn't want either.
Quite honestly, I'm not sure why we wanted any of the four of them, though Gibson was highly rated.

[BabylonClaret]

I see, so Gibson and Vydra were kind of the best we could have got at the time?
But, apparently, SD didn't want either.
Quite honestly, I'm not sure why we wanted any of the four of them, though Gibson was highly rated.

Well Jay was year younger and still had Prem experience and at the tine might have been been decent option for the European campaign. Dawson would have been a v good addition - he's still playing for a top 5 side.

Gibson was highly rated at the time yes but our preferred option was Mawson who baled at the last minute.

I expect we always have a number of options to pursue but we spent most of the summer haggling with West Brom and ended up spending nearly as much on players lower down our list. That' was a disaster summer window. Expensive and very little return I think that's whT made Garlick start to look for a way out

[alwaysaclaret]

Well Jay was year younger and still had Prem experience and at the tine might have been been decent option for the European campaign. Dawson would have been a v good addition - he's still playing for a top 5 side.

Gibson was highly rated at the time yes but our preferred option was Mawson who baled at the last minute.

I expect we always have a number of options to pursue but we spent most of the summer haggling with West Brom and ended up spending nearly as much on players lower down our list. That' was a disaster summer window. Expensive and very little return I think that's whT made Garlick start to look for a way out

Dawson is a better cb than tarkowski anyway, baffles me why they want to sign him, just my opinion.

[Dy1geo]

What we are seeing with Tarks is the reality of modern day football, at one stage they are of value then suddenly they are gone for nothing. In my opinion whilst being a good defender he is not Van Dijk and there are players out there to replace him, but we have hung on instead of cashing in and along with Hendrick and Brady we have lost players of value for nothing.

We have always been a selling club and we should adopt the Brentford model of signing players improving them and then selling.

[elwaclaret]

Think it is very much back to the future, the vision of Pace for networking players into the academy from around the country a different levels was created by Burnley and ran at various levels up to the early 80’s, I seem to remember one of John Bond’s biggest sins as Burnley manager was dismantling that system, various managers have tried to revive/ re dismantle it, but by the time serious effort was made we were coming from a long way behind most clubs of our size and we are only now catching up.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Why would Newcastle be interested in Ben Mee come the summer?, assuming they survive they'll be planning to sign much better players than Ben.

It was reported in the papers that they wanted both so i took it at face value