Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by Paddy1882 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:45 pm

Dyche needs to now make a big decision whether he’s going to let certain players take him down with them, or be a bit more clever and turn it around on the players. All the players who are OOC in the summer and aren’t bothered, drop them and come out and say they haven’t been picked because their heart isn’t in it anymore. I can’t speak for anyone else but for me if he did that and we got battered every week and went down, I’d be with him because at least he’s picking players who want to put the shirt on. Some of these players are throwing Dyche under the bus

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by Claretnick » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:50 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:31 pm
We need action, I'd start by ripping up Cork's contract and paying up for the final 6 months. Yet again he gives up a simple ball in the middle of the pitch, Huddersfield break from it and score. We've seen it happen so many times, Dyche doesn't see it and will continue to play him (**** he even played him right midfield today), It's about time Pace took that decision out of Dyche's hands and shred the contract.

Gudmundsson has 18 months left and looks like a League One player at best, get him out of the club, offer him around for nothing, even pay part of his wages just to get him out. Icelandic league maybe for one last hurrah?

Tarkowski, sell him, overrated and costing us all season long.

Mee, costing us all season long, if he's playing the waiting game, lets take that decision out of his hands. Why are we bending over a barrel waiting on the decision of quite frankly an average defender? Take the captaincy away from him and give it to someone who has committed to the club. Sell/Release.

Vydra wants to leave? let him go now. Take the £7m loss, awful signing.

We are letting these average players rot this club and squad, non performances and contract situations. Why are we relying on commitment from players who aren't committed? The club captain isn't signing and is playing awfully, why is he still captain?
Agree with this, some very big bold decisions need to be made now.
Lets see if the new owners have got some courage to make them!

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by yosserhughes » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:00 pm
Some of those players not knowing where they stand either
That's down to the manager, like you've said in the past he has the final say on players and the players contracts.

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by IanMcL » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:06 pm

The contracts need to be sorted, one way or the other. Then we know where we are going and so do the players.

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by OakworthClaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:11 pm

Maybe it’s time for a Stan moment!!!

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:15 pm

I wouldn’t be at all bothered if I never saw Cork and Westwood appear for us again.

Westwood has been a huge disappointment this season and as for Cork - he’s possibly the slowest professional footballer I’ve ever seen. He looks so far off the pace in every game he plays, regardless of the opposition.

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by Les Lawrence » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:16 pm

This sums Dyche up for me.When we were wondering if we were gonna sign Cornet,It was obvious we needed a forward player in case Cornet didn't sign,instead of signing a young up and coming player,,w.We sign Lennon with no resale value

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by Belial » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:25 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:31 pm
We need action, I'd start by ripping up Cork's contract and paying up for the final 6 months. Yet again he gives up a simple ball in the middle of the pitch, Huddersfield break from it and score. We've seen it happen so many times, Dyche doesn't see it and will continue to play him (**** he even played him right midfield today), It's about time Pace took that decision out of Dyche's hands and shred the contract.

Gudmundsson has 18 months left and looks like a League One player at best, get him out of the club, offer him around for nothing, even pay part of his wages just to get him out. Icelandic league maybe for one last hurrah?

Tarkowski, sell him, overrated and costing us all season long.

Mee, costing us all season long, if he's playing the waiting game, lets take that decision out of his hands. Why are we bending over a barrel waiting on the decision of quite frankly an average defender? Take the captaincy away from him and give it to someone who has committed to the club. Sell/Release.

Vydra wants to leave? let him go now. Take the £7m loss, awful signing.

We are letting these average players rot this club and squad, non performances and contract situations. Why are we relying on commitment from players who aren't committed? The club captain isn't signing and is playing awfully, why is he still captain?
Agree with most of that. Cork is consistently slow and getting bullied every game. JBG used to be a favourite of mine but he's contributed exactly zero for the last 12 months. Tarks has list interest and has made far too many errors, as had Mee (although I'd still stick with him as it's easy to forget the good side of his game - admittedly not recently) and Vydra...has he been given enough chances? Probably. Whatever the case, it isn't working so best for all parties to get rid.

Big, big overhaul needed at BFC

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:34 pm

yosserhughes wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:04 pm
That's down to the manager, like you've said in the past he has the final say on players and the players contracts.
Not according to him. He can only make recommendations.

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:41 pm

Ben Mee’s form is the biggest concern to me. Tarky has been good this season albeit with some errors. Mee has been less good, and his entrance into social media has some strange timing, when we need 100% focus. Some could argue he is trying to build a profile for himself ahead of his contract running out (I actually applaud the “message” but as with Rashford his employer deserves his full attention in such an intense and highly paid profession).

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by Bfc » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:46 pm

I went on today and felt Beardsley was 1 of our better performers. The lack of pace and forward running with the ball from our midfielders appears to have a bearing on our attacking efforts. They prefer the back pass move constantly. Hence the ball being hoofed high from defence, into the general direction of our attackers. When the strikers get the ball, they don’t have the support of midfielder to pass to and end up losing possession.
I would keep Beardsley at full back and play Lawton in midfield. He can tackle and has a lot more speed than any of Cork, Westwood and Brownhill. Given the opportunity, he is one player who would carry the ball forward and wouldn’t hesitate to shoot on sight.

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:48 pm

We are quick to criticise Eddie Howe, however along with all the other PL managers he would have dropped a number of our starting 11 by now. I genuinely think SD does not like making those type of decisions and the losers are players like Collins and Roberts

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:50 pm

Nobody is reliable at this present time. I'd make an exception of Pope and Taylor, but the rest haven't been reliable for a while.
Players do have spells where they struggle for form, but the apathy of the displays suggest this is more than a lack of form. Disinterest, resignation, uncertainty....it could be many reasons, but curing it is a big problem.
If SD can't sort it, then relegation is a certainty, and IF relegation is a certainty, then the planning for next season in the Championship needs to start now. That means offloading as many of the players who won't feature next season, whilst we can command a fee, buying players now for next season and have at least half a season to try and form a new team, and blood some youngsters. It really is irrelevant how we go down if it's going to happen, so long as we are prepared for next season.

Forgot Max, but would he be willing to fight a season in the Championship.......I hope so, but no guarantee.

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by Belial » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:03 pm

Bfc wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:46 pm
I went on today and felt Beardsley was 1 of our better performers. The lack of pace and forward running with the ball from our midfielders appears to have a bearing on our attacking efforts. They prefer the back pass move constantly. Hence the ball being hoofed high from defence, into the general direction of our attackers. When the strikers get the ball, they don’t have the support of midfielder to pass to and end up losing possession.
I would keep Beardsley at full back and play Lawton in midfield. He can tackle and has a lot more speed than any of Cork, Westwood and Brownhill. Given the opportunity, he is one player who would carry the ball forward and wouldn’t hesitate to shoot on sight.
Who?

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by HunterST_BFC » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:03 pm

That should be Bardsleys last game for us.

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by AlargeClaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:16 pm

God almighty someone thinks Peter Beardsley and “ Lawton” play for us , it does make you wonder , though even the hunchback himself could probs to better than our lot

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by AlargeClaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:19 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:48 pm
We are quick to criticise Eddie Howe, however along with all the other PL managers he would have dropped a number of our starting 11 by now. I genuinely think SD does not like making those type of decisions and the losers are players like Collins and Roberts
You’re not totally wrong but Collins was always gonna have to wait his turn ( covid today presumably) and Roberts slightly less so but got ill when surely he’d be given a chance . I’d like to see both of em in the side asap as the sh1t is about to hit the fan

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Re: Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

Post by Bfc » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:25 pm

HunterST_BFC, why do you think Beardsley should’ve played his last match for us. Did you go the match?.
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