Burnley u23s

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:46 pm

I take it back, made a right hash at that. NUTS

ClaretMov · Post by **ClaretMov** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:47 pm

Terrible bit of keeping, get down on your knees getting your body behind it, don't stick a foot out to it

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:49 pm

i've seen an hour of it and as yet haven't seen a decent ball to the front two, nothing they could hold

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:59 pm

Like a mini version of the first team. Plusses are the excellent goal and a couple of good crosses from Dodgson. Hem was ok but we seemed to run out of steam and play a system that is easy to defend against. Both our wide players offered little today.

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:01 pm

Only ourselves to blame there. Had enough chances to win it comfortably.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:01 pm

Our fitness coach needs to have a serious look at our overall regimes
Fading in the second half needs addressing and stamping out

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:02 pm

I've watched these players as often as possible over the last two seasons and can honestly say I've seen very little individual improvement.

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:02 pm

Only watched the last 30 mins and I thought we emulated the first team , hard working and industrious as a team.
Helm caught the eye , looks to have that extra bit of quality above the rest , wants to be on the ball , likes to drive at players with a good burst of pace , just needs work on his end product in my opinion.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:04 pm

brexit wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:33 pm
watching and it has answered my questions about promoting youth - no-one stands out, but at least they are positive.

Didn’t pay attention then as Helm was by far the best player on the field

KlyBfc · Post by **KlyBfc** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:05 pm

Having only watched the last 40mins I thought Helm was the standout player for Burnley. However i liked the look of his centre midfield partner too Coppack. I thought he was busy and moved the ball quickly.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:05 pm

Anyone on here watched Helm regularly because he looked a talent

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:10 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:05 pm
Anyone on here watched Helm regularly because he looked a talent

Yes, he's not bad.
To be fair, some of these lads could still play U18s.
I honestly believe we need better coaches, very little is happening in terms of individual improvement.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:16 pm

He was the standout for me . As someone alluded to earlier it was the final ball that let him down, I suspect playing with more intelligent players would help that as well. His agility, drive and ability on the ball was impressive.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:25 pm

Helm, Tucker, Dodgeson all stood out for me.

Feel like I have been saying that after every game

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:30 pm

They do say that in youth football normally there’s 2/3 players that stand a smidgen of a chance of making it and the rest are just there to make up the numbers so they have someone to play with.

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:33 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:25 pm
Helm, Tucker, Dodgeson all stood out for me.

Feel like I have been saying that after every game

agree with all that, why on earth did dodgeson not start on saturday instead of playing two right backs, beggars belief

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:35 pm

gsyclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:33 pm
agree with all that, why on earth did dodgeson not start on saturday instead of playing two right backs, beggars belief

I have only ever seen Dodgson play left mid. However I was impressed with him at left back tonight

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:41 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:35 pm
I have only ever seen Dodgson play left mid. However I was impressed with him at left back tonight

Crossing is decent too......plenty of curl which fooled the defenders, unfortunately our players couldn't read them either.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:42 pm

rob63 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:41 pm
Crossing is decent too......plenty of curl which fooled the defenders, unfortunately our players couldn't read them either.

I still think there is something about Tucker. The way he drives at the opposition and is good in tight spaces, I genuinely feel like he has the technical ability to become a good footballer.

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:44 pm

Helm does remind me of brian o neil, really up for it, wears the same number as well, I think

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:49 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:42 pm
I still think there is something about Tucker. The way he drives at the opposition and is good in tight spaces, I genuinely feel like he has the technical ability to become a good footballer.

Only 2nd time I've seen him, last time he was standout, today a bit more negative......so ideal development for the 1st team!

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:51 pm

Some players tonight who definitely need to go out on loan to try to develop them quicker

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:49 am

There’s only really Dodgson and Costelloe who look like they have the physique of men yet. But I don’t think Costelloe has the pace for a winger or striker. More like a 10 or false 9. Has a bit of Glenn Little about him.

I liked their left back Masampu.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:24 am

None of them really look good enough but sometimes you just need that chance to raise your game.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:07 am

Dodgson was very good last night at LB. He's played mainly further forward this season with Finlay Armstrong playing LB but last night he was in defence and was very effective.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:47 am

ecc wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:07 am
Dodgson was very good last night at LB. He's played mainly further forward this season with Finlay Armstrong playing LB but last night he was in defence and was very effective.

Can't say I agree. Someone mentioned it above but their right winger was one of their better players and my recollection was that Dodgson was slow and pretty poor defensively. You can't be having poor games against the best u23 teams have to offer and then expect to perform in the first team. Although maybe he will succeed more as a winger if he's defensively frail.

I hope he features more for the first team because I want to see youth get a chance but I'll be very surprised. He's still just 18 and if youth wasn't a priority before it won't be now.

One thing that he does have in his favour is being quite a big lad at such a young age. Most players at 18 look lightweight but he certainly doesn't.

Flixtonclaret1 · Post by **Flixtonclaret1** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:32 am

ecc wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:07 am
Dodgson was very good last night at LB. He's played mainly further forward this season with Finlay Armstrong playing LB but last night he was in defence and was very effective.

I was at the game last night - hope my flag was noticed

Dodgson was shouting instructions and encouragement to all players all the game - deffo one to develop - the amount of runs he made without getting the pass was ridiculous!!

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:53 am

Flixtonclaret1 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:32 am
I was at the game last night - hope my flag was noticed
Dodgson was shouting instructions and encouragement to all players all the game - deffo one to develop - the amount of runs he made without getting the pass was ridiculous!!

Haha I did notice the sign on stream, wondered if it was yours

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:54 am

Flixton-how did Connor Roberts play. I guess it was a game to start his fitness comeback

Flixtonclaret1 · Post by **Flixtonclaret1** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:10 am

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:54 am
Flixton-how did Connor Roberts play. I guess it was a game to start his fitness comeback

It was a run out for his fitness I guess - nothing overly spectacular
just did all the basics right - I was speaking to a couple of neutrals ( non clarets) when he came off who were shocked that he was a first team player - he was dripping in sweat when he went back to the changing rooms unlike some of our guys on Saturday gone!!

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:14 am

Flixtonclaret1 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:10 am
It was a run out for his fitness I guess - nothing overly spectacular
just did all the basics right - I was speaking to a couple of neutrals ( non clarets) when he came off who were shocked that he was a first team player - he was dripping in sweat when he went back to the changing rooms unlike some of our guys on Saturday gone!!

Thanks FC-hopefully he will start featuring soon in the First 11

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:45 pm

Roberts made a crucial clearance off the line. Spent most of the game frustrated that no one was passing when he made overlapping runs. Had a few long throws but the team had no idea how to attack them. One or two of his throws were foul throws too.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:52 pm

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:45 pm
Roberts made a crucial clearance off the line. Spent most of the game frustrated that no one was passing when he made overlapping runs. Had a few long throws but the team had no idea how to attack them. One or two of his throws were foul throws too.

Interested to know what he did wrong in the foul throws. Lots of players get away with lifting their rear leg when in the act of throwing but it never gets picked up these days.

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:02 pm

A few decent performances last night, but generally did kind of mirror the first team in terms of passing back and sideways.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:05 pm

I’m going to try watch these boys more regularly , are all u23 games streamed now?

Particularly liked Helm I think he could be a superb player

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:07 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:05 pm
I’m going to try watch these boys more regularly , are all u23 games streamed now?

Particularly liked Helm I think he could be a superb player

Every game that isn’t at traditional game times is usually streamed. Otherwise they are not allowed to stream whilst other games are live

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:11 pm

rob63 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:51 pm
Some players tonight who definitely need to go out on loan to try to develop them quicker

Right approach, maybe.
But please give us a list of recent U23 loanees who have come back and progressed with us.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:17 pm

Richardson
Thompson
Gomez-Mancini

What’s wrong with these boys at the moment ? Richardson looked very handy against Blackpool when I watched him and Gomez-Mancini looked like he could play a bit too

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:20 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:17 pm
Richardson
Thompson
Gomez-Mancini

What’s wrong with these boys at the moment ? Richardson looked very handy against Blackpool when I watched him and Gomez-Mancini looked like he could play a bit too

Thompson seems right out of favour, although he may be suspended following a recent red card for all I know.
Gomez-Mancini and Richardson are out injured.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:25 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:52 pm
Interested to know what he did wrong in the foul throws. Lots of players get away with lifting their rear leg when in the act of throwing but it never gets picked up these days.

Overstepping the line.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:30 pm

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:25 pm
Overstepping the line.

Was his whole foot over the line? If not, it is not a foul throw.

OssyClaret · Post by **OssyClaret** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:37 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:20 pm
Thompson seems right out of favour, although he may be suspended following a recent red card for all I know.
Gomez-Mancini and Richardson are out injured.

What injuries have Gomez-Mancini and Richardson sustained?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:39 pm

OssyClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:37 pm
What injuries have Gomez-Mancini and Richardson sustained?

No idea with Mancini, he came back once and has now gone missing again. Richardson broke his ankle apparently.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:40 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:30 pm
Was his whole foot over the line? If not, it is not a foul throw.

Good to know. For some reason I thought both feet can't exceed the line. I guess it's the same as the silly quadrant corner law then!

OssyClaret · Post by **OssyClaret** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:44 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:39 pm
No idea with Mancini, he came back once and has now gone missing again. Richardson broke his ankle apparently.

It feels wrong to say but I never trust when injuries aren’t reported. Seen players go missing assumed injured before and it turned out to be more sinister reasons I.e Berahino and Livermore

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:52 pm

OssyClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:44 pm
It feels wrong to say but I never trust when injuries aren’t reported. Seen players go missing assumed injured before and it turned out to be more sinister reasons I.e Berahino and Livermore

U23 injuries are just not reported

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:30 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:11 pm
Right approach, maybe.
But please give us a list of recent U23 loanees who have come back and progressed with us.

Not going out at the right level imho Bill, so I can't! L2 is no good for a 20/21 year old hoping to get in a Premier league team. I know we get lads signing from other clubs, usually at the older end & the coaching team need to assess their abilities properly. Just think we need a re-think on our loan club targets, plus if we're hoping to move them on & get a fee, we'll get more money from a Championship/higher L1 club

rob63 · Post by **rob63** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:38 pm

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:45 pm
Roberts made a crucial clearance off the line. Spent most of the game frustrated that no one was passing when he made overlapping runs. Had a few long throws but the team had no idea how to attack them. One or two of his throws were foul throws too.

We were pretty poor at capitalising on balls into the box all evening

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:42 pm

rob63 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:30 pm
Not going out at the right level imho Bill, so I can't! L2 is no good for a 20/21 year old hoping to get in a Premier league team. I know we get lads signing from other clubs, usually at the older end & the coaching team need to assess their abilities properly. Just think we need a re-think on our loan club targets, plus if we're hoping to move them on & get a fee, we'll get more money from a Championship/higher L1 club

Not always about getting them in a Premier League team. We sold both Benson & Dunne last summer after they’d had lower league loans, Benson only to League 2 Grimsby.