How do we rise from the ashes?

[Mattster]

If you genuinely believe we will be chasing promotion next season does Dyche get sacked if mid table half way through?

Hard to say as it would really depend on form at that stage and the way the table looked and whether we were totally out of touch or just slightly off the pace.

After all last time we went 23 undefeated in the second half of the season which changed the look of things completely.

[Newcastleclaret93]

They lost over half their favoured 11 from the season they went down, matters little if they were loans or not. And then you say it's OK because they had most of the players that got promoted the previous season (deemed not good enough to play regularly in the EPL) whilst our players that have kept us in the EPL for seasons are a worry to you in the Championship?

That defence would comfortably be one of, if not, the best in the Championship. As good of a core to build on as anything.

And I still don't agree with you that we only retain Mee.

I guess only time will tell. I just think if as a fan base we are expecting promotion then we will be upset.

I do think your underestimating the rebuild. I can’t see why our management team or owners would want to keep anyone but Ben Mee? The rest are overpaid and over the hill.

[SalisburyClaret]

I think upper mid table championship is about our level - obviously we’ll aim higher

Very highly likely Cornet and Weghorst will leave - it’s World Cup year and they need to be playing at the highest level. Jay is apparently off and Tarka is definitely off. McNeil and Pope would be prime targets for others. We have ready made replacements for all those making the first 11 something like.

Hennessy/BPF
Lowton Collins Long Taylor
Lennon Westwood Brownhill JBG
Barnes Vydra

Should be good enough to threaten the play offs

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think upper mid table championship is about our level - obviously we’ll aim higher

Very highly likely Cornet and Weghorst will leave - it’s World Cup year and they need to be playing at the highest level. Jay is apparently off and Tarka is definitely off. McNeil and Pope would be prime targets for others. We have ready made replacements for all those making the first 11 something like.

Hennessy/BPF
Lowton Collins Long Taylor
Lennon Westwood Brownhill JBG
Barnes Vydra

Should be good enough to threaten the play offs

Vydra, Barnes and Lennon are out of contract.

[RVclaret]

I think upper mid table championship is about our level - obviously we’ll aim higher

Very highly likely Cornet and Weghorst will leave - it’s World Cup year and they need to be playing at the highest level. Jay is apparently off and Tarka is definitely off. McNeil and Pope would be prime targets for others. We have ready made replacements for all those making the first 11 something like.

Hennessy/BPF
Lowton Collins Long Taylor
Lennon Westwood Brownhill JBG
Barnes Vydra

Should be good enough to threaten the play offs

Cornet and Ivory Coast are not in the World Cup. Who is going to take Weghorst? No one in the Bundesliga wanted him at the price we got him for, no one in the Prem will want him (unless he goes on a mad goal streak now which appears unlikely). Vydra will not be here next season either, no chance he resigns under Dyche.

And that team listed there would be mid table at very best.

[SalisburyClaret]

Vydra, Barnes and Lennon are out of contract.

Easy enough to sign another and I think Lennon and Barnes at least would bring their own pen

[Mattster]

I guess only time will tell. I just think if as a fan base we are expecting promotion then we will be upset.

I do think your underestimating the rebuild. I can’t see why our management team or owners would want to keep anyone but Ben Mee? The rest are overpaid and over the hill.

Lennon and Pieters won't be on massive wages, won't have any PL offers and have been reliable squad players - personally I'd only keep Lennon for a season off the back of his performances since January but could see why Dyche would want Pieters (whether he'd want to stay I'm less sure). Jay always bags goals in cup competitions so I think would score plenty in the Championship, he's also a local boy and top professional who would be a good player to mentor younger strikers either joining the club or stepping up from the U23s (such as Richardson, Mellon, Costelloe). Pretty sure he'd stay.

[SalisburyClaret]

Cornet and Ivory Coast are not in the World Cup. Who is going to take Weghorst? No one in the Bundesliga wanted him at the price we got him for, no one in the Prem will want him (unless he goes on a mad goal streak now which appears unlikely). Vydra will not be here next season either, no chance he resigns under Dyche.

And that team listed there would be mid table at very best.

Ok so we change Vydra for Weghorst

[spt_claret]

Cornet and Ivory Coast are not in the World Cup. Who is going to take Weghorst? No one in the Bundesliga wanted him at the price we got him for, no one in the Prem will want him (unless he goes on a mad goal streak now which appears unlikely). Vydra will not be here next season either, no chance he resigns under Dyche.

And that team listed there would be mid table at very best.

Bundesliga didn't want him for non-footballing reasons very specific to their league which may have changed now and certainly are less of a factor here and other leagues.
I could see a couple of PL clubs wanting him if they have a team more structured to how he plays, or as a stopgap given his age. He's a good player, regardless of his form recently.
EDIT: I actually do think we've a chance of keeping him if only because of his form of late, of him, Cornet, Pope and McNeil he's the likeliest to stay. But I don't necessarily think we WILL keep him, just that we could.

[Targetman]

is it a fact that right now them players are out of contract in 2 months yes or no?

Or are you presuming that some will be staying

Didn't I say that there were 11 players out of contract at the end of the season? Presume you did read that?
Thats a fact thats not in question.

Thought that you might have answered my question rather than respond with something silly like that.

Just to reiterate......I asked if you knew for definite whether all the players out of contract would be leaving?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Didn't I say that there were 11 players out of contract at the end of the season? Presume you did read that?
Thats a fact thats not in question.

Thought that you might have answered my question rather than respond with something silly like that.

Just to reiterate......I asked if you knew for definite whether all the players out of contract would be leaving?

I assume you are trolling but ok il play the game.

Did I say none of them were resigning? No I didn’t.

I said that we have 11 players leaving in two months. Which right now is a fact. Until they resign.

[Targetman]

I assume you are trolling but ok il play the game.

Did I say none of them were resigning? No I didn’t.

I said that we have 11 players leaving in two months. Which right now is a fact. Until they resign.

Its a fact that they are out of contract, it's not a fact that all 11 will be leaving.
What an immature argument you are putting forward.

Grow up young man!

[Newcastleclaret93]

Its a fact that they are out of contract, it's not a fact that all 11 will be leaving.
What an immature argument you are putting forward.

Grow up young man!

What a strange way to view it.

[Milltown1882]

Look at West Brom this season. That’s us next season at best.

[tiger76]

Look at West Brom this season. That’s us next season at best.

Yep that's my opinion as well I'm afraid, and the fans who think we'll simply pop back down to the Championship, and then sail serenely back up again are sadly in for a rude awakening I fear.

[Colburn_Claret]

It’s likely that if we go down then we’ll sign older, experienced Pro’s - it worked for us last time so no reason to think we’ll do anything differently this time.

It's quite possible, but doesn't that set us up for being on the back foot IF we go back up.
We need a change of philosophy here, I hope SD will see that, and put it into practice, but if he can't or won't, then we need a new manager.
It was great to see us defending against the top clubs, trying to pick up an unlikely result, but we seem to play like that all the time now. Even against the rubbish. I'm all for a touch of experience, but we need to get rid of a lot of players, and I can't see the point of replacing 34 year olds with 32 year olds.

[tiger76]

Easy enough to sign another and I think Lennon and Barnes at least would bring their own pen

Constantly resigning the older players is why we've ended up in the mess we have, time to have a proper clear out and start afresh.

Lennon has actually been one of our better performers this season, but that in itself speaks volumes for how bad the rest have been in the main.

However I fail to see how keeping on a 34 year old is going to progress us a club.

And why on earth would we keep Barnes on, he's barely troubled the scorers for about 2 years, not to mention his off the pitch antics, and he appears to be developing a growing injury history now.

[SalisburyClaret]

It's quite possible, but doesn't that set us up for being on the back foot IF we go back up.
We need a change of philosophy here, I hope SD will see that, and put it into practice, but if he can't or won't, then we need a new manager.
It was great to see us defending against the top clubs, trying to pick up an unlikely result, but we seem to play like that all the time now. Even against the rubbish. I'm all for a touch of experience, but we need to get rid of a lot of players, and I can't see the point of replacing 34 year olds with 32 year olds.

Completely agree - I’m not proposing older, experienced players as the solution - just surmising what could well happen

[CnBtruntru]

Well of course not,the season ain’t over, and mathematically we can stay up. We won’t, but dream on mate.

Why do you tell me to dream on? I am stating a fact.

[boatshed bill]

not sure about ashes,
i see it as a challenge rather than a disaster.
could even be an opportunity for something new and exciting.