According to the Athletic ....

[gandhisflipflop]

I will bet Pace has literally hundreds of cv's landed in his intray over the last couple of days.

I hope so.

[MACCA]

For a self confessed Forest fan?

If you're referring to Dyche, he used to go on Kettering games as it was his local team, but he "supported" Liverpool.

[Nonayforever]

For a self confessed Forest fan?

I'm a Burnley fan, if the Venkys offered me £5m plus bonuses, I would be there within an hour.

[taio]

I will bet Pace has literally hundreds of cv's landed in his intray over the last couple of days.

He won't have.

[KRBFC]

But it limits us to someone who is out of work. And there's a reason why most managers are out of work.

That's true, assuming we're keeping it English based, I'm not sure on the options other than Bilic and Allardyce tbh.


Edit: When I say English based I meant someone with history of managing in English football, I'm fully aware Bilic is Croatian.

[jojomk1]

One rumour is they were planning to go to a other club and take OOC players with them.

You mean the likes of `Lennon, Stephens, Bardsley, Pieters - that would have been a bonus

Tarks will go to Leicester, Newcastle or WHU
Mee likely to be offered terms by any of the newly promoted sides or the likes of Southampton, Palace or Leeds

Doubt Dyche would go back to Watford with their history of sacking managers

[BurnleyFC]

Isn’t he a Liverpool fan?

Think you might be right. I would hope he’d now be a Burnley fan as well.

[Sheff_bfc]

For me the team will be Derby.
OOC players will be brilliant at that level & Dyche could negotiate whatever terms ( control ) he wishes with the new owners.

The more I read theories like this, the more I think they could well have something in them. Will be interesting to see how opinions/feelings towards Dyche change should they actually come off.

[Jakubclaret]

But it limits us to someone who is out of work. And there's a reason why most managers are out of work.

There’s a reason for everything & we don’t have the clout to poach from the heavyweights so we are looking at lower league or somebody who’s available due to whatever reasons, it doesn’t matter if identified as being capable we are looking at a small pool so can’t be too choosy.

[Penwortham_Claret]

So it is strange he’s not said anything then.

Not really, I’d imagine he’s had a few bits that need sorting. I think we sometimes forget that it’s just a job for the manager, he’s not a fan

[jojomk1]

Really doubt anyone with ambition and experience of Premier League will come in this season when it's likely that everyone but ourselves sees Championship football as what we will be playing next year

[TheFamilyCat]

That's true, assuming we're keeping it English based, I'm not sure on the options other than Bilic and Allardyce tbh.


Edit: When I say English based I meant someone with history of managing in English football, I'm fully aware Bilic is Croatian.

I wouldn't have been pedantic about the Bilic thing. An interim, with a remit to keep us up, would have to be someone with PL experience IMO.

[jdrobbo]

As others have said clearly something has gone on for the whole management team to have gone.
One rumour is they were planning to go to a other club and take OOC players with them.
Therefore a conflict of interest to continue in their roles, especially when we have to play the team I believe they will end up.
Watford! They are heading down, Hodgson leaving and Dyche the perfect man to get them back up.
If and it's an IF something like this is true then the board had really no choice.

You’re suggesting that Dyche was prepared to leave what seemed like a secure job, to return back to the former employer who sacked him for doing a good job?

[claptrappers_union]

Who doesn't? It's a great opportunity for someone to come in for 6/7 games, keep us in the league and earn an enormous juicy bonus for doing so and their stock increases tenfold, plus they'll likely earn a longer term deal here on more pay.

But it’s not realistic. If anyone with any clout wants the job, they will want a three year deal. Only someone totally desperate will take the job on a temporary basis.

We won’t appoint anyone external, the quality of candidates will force us to promote Michael Jackson, Ben Mee or Tony Philiskirk or someone from the youth setups for a few weeks.

[KRBFC]

I wouldn't have been pedantic about the Bilic thing. An interim, with a remit to keep us up, would have to be someone with PL experience IMO.

Agreed, Ole, Nuno, Allardyce, Farke, Rafa, Ranieri, Bilic are a few I can name.

[gandhisflipflop]

Bilic or nuno for me

[BurnleyFC]

For what it’s worth, I’d take Bilic as well.

It’s quite surprising how quickly he went off the radar after the initial outstanding work he did at West Ham.

[claptrappers_union]

Agreed, Ole, Nuno, Allardyce, Ranieri, Bilic are a few I can name.

None of which will get in touch with the club

[taio]

But it’s not realistic. If anyone with any clout wants the job, they will want a three year deal. Only someone totally desperate will take the job on a temporary basis.

We won’t appoint anyone external, the quality of candidates will force us to promote Michael Jackson, Ben Mee or Tony Philiskirk or someone from the youth setups for a few weeks.

Of course it's realistic - money talks.

[TheFamilyCat]

There’s a reason for everything & we don’t have the clout to poach from the heavyweights so we are looking at lower league or somebody who’s available due to whatever reasons, it doesn’t matter if identified as being capable we are looking at a small pool so can’t be too choosy.

You've missed the point, unsurprisingly. This is a discussion about a reported interim manager. Nobody is going to leave a job for a five week contract.

Recruiting a permanent manager is an entirely different prospect.

[KRBFC]

None of which will get in touch with the club

Jesus, I thought I was the negative one.

[KRBFC]

All of this doesn't matter anyway, this season was a complete write off with Dyche here, if we can somehow salvage it with a new manager it's a bonus.

[daveisaclaret]

Of course it's realistic - money talks.

Money talks is the reason anyone qualified to manage a PL team doesn't want a 5 week contract unless you massively overpay.

[claretandy]

You've missed the point, unsurprisingly. This is a discussion about a reported interim manager. Nobody is going to leave a job for a five week contract.

Recruiting a permanent manager is an entirely different prospect.

The report also says... "However, should they find the right long-term candidate immediately, then that plan might change."

[taio]

Money talks is the reason anyone qualified to manage a PL team doesn't want a 5 week contract unless you massively overpay.

'unless you massively overpay' - money talks

[Blakesboots]

None of which will get in touch with the club

They might not but their agents will.

You’d be surprised how many managers apply for jobs.

[claptrappers_union]

How do you bring in a whole coaching team for just 7 weeks? You bring in an interim manager when you sack just the manager.

You can’t paper over something like this by just throwing money at it (and Burnley don’t have any). It doesn’t work like that.

[agreenwood]

Presumably an interim manager is offered a huge financial bonus in the event that they keep up and possibly the incentive of a permanent job as well.

The pool will be restricted to out of contract managers, but it looks like a pretty much a no lose gig to me. Win big or fail, but get to blame the timing/previous regime.

[Paul Waine]

Still no word from Dyche or any of the staff who have been fired.

As for the interim not sure that the point is for what will be 6 games if they aren’t going to appoint by Thursday.

Sean Dyche and colleagues will still be being paid by the club. They won't be in a position to make any comments - or facilitate others speaking on their behalf - until the terms terminating their contracts are agreed. Of course, that agreement will also include what BFC will say about their departure and what the individuals can say about their departure. Whatever payments are agreed will include amounts that will be forfeited if the agreed statements are breached.

[taio]

How do you bring in a whole coaching team for just 7 weeks? You bring in an interim manager when you sack just the manager.

You can’t paper over something like this by just throwing money at it (and Burnley don’t have any). It doesn’t work like that.

Paying a massive bonus to keep us up us a realistic option and it's happened numerous times

[Paul Waine]

So it is strange he’s not said anything then.

What, strange that Sean Dyche hasn't said something? We are still in a bank holiday weekend. All the work on exit agreement will only start with both sides lawyers when they are back from holidays. Until then there will be no agreement about what SD and colleagues can say. At this stage, until the lawyers have done their work, I'd expect SD to be advised to say nothing, not even to put his "best wishes for speedy recovery" to Ashley Westwood on social media.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

What, strange that Sean Dyche hasn't said something? We are still in a bank holiday weekend. All the work on exit agreement will only start with both sides lawyers when they are back from holidays. Until then there will be no agreement about what SD and colleagues can say. At this stage, until the lawyers have done their work, I'd expect SD to be advised to say nothing, not even to put his "best wishes for speedy recovery" to Ashley Westwood on social media.

To be fair it looks like he’s been out on the lash all weekend!

[Paul Waine]

To be fair it looks like he’s been out on the lash all weekend!

Agree. Probably well away from anywhere a journalist might find him and ask his views on anything.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

What, strange that Sean Dyche hasn't said something? We are still in a bank holiday weekend. All the work on exit agreement will only start with both sides lawyers when they are back from holidays. Until then there will be no agreement about what SD and colleagues can say. At this stage, until the lawyers have done their work, I'd expect SD to be advised to say nothing, not even to put his "best wishes for speedy recovery" to Ashley Westwood on social media.

It would be more likely that he's contacted Westwood directly to give his best wishes etc

[Paul Waine]

It would be more likely that he's contacted Westwood directly to give his best wishes etc

Possibly. I know we'd all like to think that's the case. However, it is also logical to think that the terms of contract also includes a "no contact with BFC colleagues " clause, pending further agreement on severance terms.

[Blakesboots]

Possibly. I know we'd all like to think that's the case. However, it is also logical to think that the terms of contract also includes a "no contact with BFC colleagues " clause, pending further agreement on severance terms.

That’s unenforceable in a fluid work environment such as football. Dyche will be able and likely has contacted Westwood.

Common sense has to prevail here.

[Paul Waine]

That’s unenforceable in a fluid work environment such as football. Dyche will be able and likely has contacted Westwood.

Common sense has to prevail here.

"Common sense" as you call it will be "no contact with former staff" without any rules defining exceptions to these rules. Yes, "speedy recovery" would be an acceptable message, but "can I include you in our plans?" would be the purpose of the rules. No contact would be the only "safe" guidance to SD from his lawyer until more things have been worked out.

[jedi_master]

Are people finally cottoning on to it being an utterly ‘mental/emotional/I’m ******* terrified as I have no money and just realised what relegation means’ decision it was to sack Dyche, Woan, Mercer, Stone and the physio with just a few games left now? No plan, no clue. I don’t think it was right to pot the manager, but putting that decision to one side - the TIMING was ridiculous.

People do realise if we lose to Southampton we are down? Let’s just say we do (entirely possible/probable), what interim manager are we appointing following that game on big bucks to sit in a dugout of a team certain to go down, and what’s the point of it?

If this was in the offing it should have been done after the Brentford game. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Winstonswhite]

We’ll easily beat Southampton.

[williamjblazkowicz]

We’ll easily beat Southampton.

You've jinxed it now. I'm blaming you if we're relegated

[Murger]

Are people finally cottoning on to it being an utterly ‘mental/emotional/I’m ******* terrified as I have no money and just realised what relegation means’ decision it was to sack Dyche, Woan, Mercer, Stone and the physio with just a few games left now? No plan, no clue. I don’t think it was right to pot the manager, but putting that decision to one side - the TIMING was ridiculous.

People do realise if we lose to Southampton we are down? Let’s just say we do (entirely possible/probable), what interim manager are we appointing following that game on big bucks to sit in a dugout of a team certain to go down, and what’s the point of it?

If this was in the offing it should have been done after the Brentford game. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

And what if we'd lost to Southampton with Dyche in charge?

[jedi_master]

And what if we'd lost to Southampton with Dyche in charge?

Then we’d be down but could make a decision with next season in mind, and have time to do so?

If we’re appointing an interim manager and interviewing to that effect, we’re spending millions on what may well amount to a fools errand following that game. Why not do this weeks ago?

[Murger]

Then we’d be down but could make a decision with next season in mind, and have time to do so?

If we’re appointing an interim manager and interviewing to that effect, we’re spending millions on what may well amount to a fools errand following that game. Why not do this weeks ago?

Because something has obviously gone on midweek that has made his position untenable.

[jedi_master]

Because something has obviously gone on midweek that has made his position untenable.

That is not obvious at all, it’s one of a billion rumours spouted on here by people who haven’t a clue what the situation is at Turf Moor to try and justify the insane timing of Dyche’s sacking.

[arise_sir_charge]

Have I missed something, why are we down if we lose to Southampton?

[Murger]

That is not obvious at all, it’s one of a billion rumours spouted on here by people who haven’t a clue what the situation is at Turf Moor to try and justify the insane timing of Dyche’s sacking.

And you're automatically blaming the owners. Have you not considered Saint Dyche might have done something to warrant getting potted?

[Paul Waine]

Are people finally cottoning on to it being an utterly ‘mental/emotional/I’m ******* terrified as I have no money and just realised what relegation means’ decision it was to sack Dyche, Woan, Mercer, Stone and the physio with just a few games left now? No plan, no clue. I don’t think it was right to pot the manager, but putting that decision to one side - the TIMING was ridiculous.

People do realise if we lose to Southampton we are down? Let’s just say we do (entirely possible/probable), what interim manager are we appointing following that game on big bucks to sit in a dugout of a team certain to go down, and what’s the point of it?

If this was in the offing it should have been done after the Brentford game. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

We've only got the things we can see to go on. The owners will know about financial impact of relegation. They also know about Sean Dyche's record as manager, including his history of avoiding relegation in previous seasons. They've seen the points gained since January, including wins v Brighton and Sours. Then they've seen the losses, especially v Brentford and Norwich.

My speculation - I am not in Burnley, I have no inside knowledge - is that there's been discussions during the days after Norwich game. Logic says these include prospects of avoiding relegation with Sean Dyche continuing as manager, SD plans for squad over summer, OOC players to be retained, transfer window targets, SD plans for Championship. Somewhere in all this process SD has given Alan Pace reason to decide that the club will be better off terminating SD and his coaching team, and, doing it immediately gave a higher chance of staying up than delaying the decision to the end of the season.

Yesterday's team performance seems to give some support to my speculation. A point at West Ham is good. No signs of panic among any of the team, yesterday. A much better performance than Norwich and Brentford.

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[elwaclaret]

All speculative, anyone drawing firm conclusions at the moment can only be basing them on their own ‘initiative’. There could be many reasons and is likely a combination of them that came to a head late last week. Far more sensible to get behind the team and wait for news to emerge before assigning ‘blame’ for the timing of the decision.

[arise_sir_charge]

Have I missed something, why are we down if we lose to Southampton?

[BabylonClaret]

Have to say the rumours are a but weird. If his position was untenable and the owners were totally right to pot him why not say so?

Smacks more like a bust up with Dyche saying something like "you think I've been sat on my arse waiting for you to pot me. I've got irons in the fire if need be"

The rumours have shifted fron an article (clearly I fluency from the club) saying the players weren't really behind him but that soon disappeared as total rubbish so now we have the Dyche was talking to other club - was Everton but that's now looking like unlikely.

I suspectvtehres been something happen but its clearly nor Dyche crossing the line but rather a " we expect you to work with who we bring in " and the management team have gone "no way" so they've potted him.