Pace Programme Notes

[DCWat]

I think you have misread. I am saying that Alk failed in January not Dyche. I stating that the poor results due to continued poor recruitment has resulted in Dyche losing his job.

No I would expect them to do there jobs and strengthen the team

My view is that it was the summer window that saw our downfall (not forgetting previous windows to that). We blatantly didn’t address the needs that the squad obviously had.

Whether that was Dyche not targeting a midfielder or Pace dictating the players that were brought in, I don’t know.

January likely wouldn’t have even seen a signing, had it not been for Wood’s departure. It was even more baffling that the strongest links in January were for wingers and not central midfielders.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Do you not think it’s possible that Dyche was responsible for the poor recruitment by a) knocking back anyone suggested that wasn’t a seasoned veteran b) creating a style and culture where players were literally turning us down before being asked?

All very possible. But fundamentally that doesn’t change the fact we still have a net spend of 5m over the last three windows and the oldest squad in the league.

Dyche is very unfortunate to be sacked for footballing reasons on this basis. (In my opinion).

[NRC]

If, and it's reasonable to at least suspect that something did, nothing has happened behind the scenes, and we take at face value it was a result-based decision, then I'm not sure what the mystery is.

It might have been the first occasion the two had the opportunity to meet, or it might have come up in a fresh conversation, but if AP said to SD "why did we get beat by Norwich as we did, and what are you going to do to get maximum effort and performance in the remaining games?" And SD said "it's fine margins Alan, and we go again," then AP would have been entitled to say it wasn't a good enough answer. SD counters along the lines of "well it's what we've got, and I'm not doing anything different" then I can fully understand how he was potted on the spot

[spt_claret]

Thanks for the shout Charlie , living in America I presume.
Hope you get to plenty of baseball and soccer games if you do.
I’d like to think that the disgraceful decision to sack Dyche in the way it was done would not have happened if as you call them ‘ British people ‘ had been in charge.

Speaking as someone who's been very critical of ALK- I don't think them being American has any bearing whatsoever on the manner or timing of the sacking. It's a fair question to ask if them being American has made it slower or trickier for them to understand aspects of Burnley as a town and its culture- not out of any sort of ill intent or ignorance, but simply because while regions within a country may differ culturally, cultural differences almost certainly are greater between countries, and so it can take more time or effort to get to know and understand the locale without causing friction or offence even if unintentionally. America may speak our language but they have their own identity, and just as an Englishman might go out there and unwittingly struggle to fit in through no intention or fault of their own, the same applies in reverse. That's to be expected & accepted, not to be used as some sort of stick to beat them with and it really undermines more legitimate criticisms & concerns when their nationality is used that way. Likewise their religion, it's not a fair point to make.
What is potentially a fair point is regarding differences in corporate culture- a background in Wall Street finance is about as far removed from Burnley's corporate profile as a club & town as you can get. Questioning decisions & understanding there is fairer- as corporate culture is fluid and changeable, not something you're born with. And as a supporter of the club, my preference would be that the owners' corporate culture adapts to fit that of the club, rather than the reverse, as one implies stewardship, while the other can feel more aggressive.
But all in all, as unhappy, anxious and at times, angry as I am with a lot of the decisions surrounding the club as of late, there's ways to express that without taking cheap shots. A common mantra of the Dyche era was regarding doing things the right way with class & integrity, let's not abandon that because he's gone.

[Roosterbooster]

I think its the assumption that American people sacked Dyche in a "disgraceful way", when "British people" wouldn't have done, which has irked Bill. Which is, quite frankly, absolute rubbish, as just a tiny glimpse into recent history will tell you

[Roosterbooster]

What bill , what I said about the disgraceful decision by Pace or has something else upset you ?

I think its the assumption that American people sacked Dyche in a "disgraceful way", when "British people" wouldn't have done, which has irked Bill. Which is, quite frankly, absolute rubbish, as just a tiny glimpse into recent history will tell you

[boatshed bill]

What bill , what I said about the disgraceful decision by Pace or has something else upset you ?

You don't know why SD was sacked.
You don't know if this is in some way a mutual decision...perhaps SD intimated that he'd had enough.
You don't know that a "British" chairperson wouldn't have done the same.
Truth is that 4 wins by mid-April would result in a change of management in virtually every other PL club, probably all of them regardless of the nationality of the chairman.

[superdimitri]

How are people allowed to discriminate time and time again? Completely unacceptable to put the blame on someones origin. Hope the ban hammer hits them for 6 (oh sorry, I mean a home run).
How dare me.

[gandhisflipflop]

Someone was arguing the point that they are not inexperienced the other day.

This all just shows the level of inexperience, I don’t think anyone is arguing that the sacking itself was totally crazy. The timing is crazy given how few games are left and the lack of reinforcements lined up. But ultimately it comes down to the January window, ALK seriously failed and unlike the previous owners they have blamed Dyche for there failures and sacked him as a result.

I am still awaiting the extra funds that were promised when ALK came into the club. 5m net spend over 3 windows is actually less than Garlick.

Here’s a thought, maybe Dyche was the reason for failures in windows prior to to ALK?

[Elizabeth]

Dyche’s sacking will remain an emotional topic among Burnley fans for years to come. I think some have yet to realise that

[gandhisflipflop]

Dyche’s sacking will remain an emotional topic among Burnley fans for years to come. I think some have yet to realise that

It will, and it will also become an obsession for some in a unhealthy way like Coyle was for so long.

[NRC]

Elizabeth
Would you have gone that far to expose your disgraceful positioning if the hypothetical "British people" had been of Indian, Pakistani, or Muslim ethnicity? Or that Pace is white and American makes him fair game? That he is white and American is not to be held to a different depth of bigotry

[boatshed bill]

Dyche’s sacking will remain an emotional topic among Burnley fans for years to come. I think some have yet to realise that

It's PL football, it's what happens.

[Elizabeth]

Elizabeth
Would you have gone that far to expose your disgraceful positioning if the hypothetical "British people" had been of Indian, Pakistani, or Muslim ethnicity? Or that Pace is white and American makes him fair game? That he is white and American is not to be held to a different depth of bigotry

What kind of question is that ?
Why do some people always have to bring other things into arguments . Bad form

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Thanks for the shout Charlie , living in America I presume.
Hope you get to plenty of baseball and soccer games if you do.
I’d like to think that the disgraceful decision to sack Dyche in the way it was done would not have happened if as you call them ‘ British people ‘ had been in charge.

That’s just pure bigoted rubbish.

There is no evidence that nationality would have changed anything.

[Elizabeth]

It's PL football, it's what happens.

Hopefully it will be PL football after this season as well bill.
I will always stand by my opinion that Dyche should not have been treated as he was on the grounds of results.
Other managers have also had similar injustices and yes that is the way PL owners have worked for a long time

[CharlieinNewMexico]

How are people allowed to discriminate time and time again? Completely unacceptable to put the blame on someones origin. Hope the ban hammer hits them for 6 (oh sorry, I mean a home run).
How dare me.

I keep reporting it. Nothing done yet. Maybe everyone’s at the match.

[spt_claret]

Too many people throwing this nonsense around

There's a lot of legitimate criticism you can sling the owners' way. "They sacked Dyche like this because they're American" really is not one at all and somewhat undermines any other points you then make.

[Rowls]

The TV footage tonight shows a very ashen faced Pace sitting very tentatively with his wife. She's literally clinging to him with her support.

Whatever happens, it looks for all the world that he certainly didn't take his decision lightly. There's real fear and doubt in his eyes.

[Rowls]

He actually looked ill.

[boatshed bill]

Don’t be such a wet wipe. Had you not thrown in a comment made days ago you would not need to act like you are. I call your action that of an agitator

Arguing at 8.08 during the game???

[Murger]

He actually looked ill.

Aye, he looks like he hasn't slept for weeks.

[FCBurnley]

Arguing at 8.08 during the game???

Looks like you got a stalker Lizzie !!

[boatshed bill]

Looks like you got a stalker Lizzie !!

Lizzie is a man
At 8.08 most of us were more interested in the game than trying to make their point

[Elizabeth]

Looks like you got a stalker Lizzie !!

I do get them and as you can see what is happening I will allow you to call me Lizzie

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

The gamble is paying off so far, well done Alan Pace you’ve got some big kahuna’s

[California Colner]

I don’t understand why posters on here are shocked with the decision to fire Dyche
We was sleep walking into the championship no fight and absolutely horrible football that was being played!
I think it is the correct decision regardless if we go down.
Dyche has been fantastic for the club but his time at Burnley was at an end
I’ve enjoyed the last two games without Dyche and I have watched all this seasons matches
Hope we stay up
COYB

[boatshed bill]

I know bill and I’m not proud of that.

I hope you can forgive me but I could not get anywhere to watch or listen to the game so was in limbo. I’m sure you have spotted my passion during other games .

I’m sure you lead a perfect life but please be kind to others that have imperfections

The Perfect Life?
Just think a lot

[KRBFC]

I don’t understand why posters on here are shocked with the decision to fire Dyche
We was sleep walking into the championship no fight and absolutely horrible football that was being played!
I think it is the correct decision regardless if we go down.
Dyche has been fantastic for the club but his time at Burnley was at an end
I’ve enjoyed the last two games without Dyche and I have watched all this seasons matches
Hope we stay up
COYB

I think posters on here were willing to accept relegation just to give Dyche the send off at Newcastle home. Strange really, I'm glad ALK don't think that way.

[boatshed bill]

You probably think too much bill

That is impossible.

[tiger76]

I don’t understand why posters on here are shocked with the decision to fire Dyche
We was sleep walking into the championship no fight and absolutely horrible football that was being played!
I think it is the correct decision regardless if we go down.
Dyche has been fantastic for the club but his time at Burnley was at an end
I’ve enjoyed the last two games without Dyche and I have watched all this seasons matches
Hope we stay up
COYB

Whatever your thoughts on the owners, and I still harbour my own doubts, what can't be denied is they are willing to make the big calls, and potting SD might turn out to be a masterstroke.

Sean was fantastic for many years, but clearly something wasn't working over the past 2 seasons, and I'm afraid if it's not working you have to make the change harsh as it may seem to many from the outside.

[Paul Waine]

I don’t understand why posters on here are shocked with the decision to fire Dyche
We was sleep walking into the championship no fight and absolutely horrible football that was being played!
I think it is the correct decision regardless if we go down.
Dyche has been fantastic for the club but his time at Burnley was at an end
I’ve enjoyed the last two games without Dyche and I have watched all this seasons matches
Hope we stay up
COYB

Dwight McNeil is playing good football with a smile on his face. Mike Jackson says all he's done is allow the team to play with freedom. 4 points from 2 games is a good start. It gives us a chance to stay in the Premier League. That's all we ask for. And, the football is a lot easier on the eye.

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[PremierLeagueClass]

I too thought Alan looked ill tonight.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I too thought Alan looked ill tonight.

All the knobs giving him dogs abuse online probably

[Elizabeth]

That is impossible.

Good

[Belgianclaret]

I too thought Alan looked ill tonight.

I thought nothing of the sort - he was exactly where a chairman is supposed to be

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Don’t be such a wet wipe. Had you not thrown in a comment made days ago you would not need to act like you are. I call your action that of an agitator

And I will continue to agitate when I see people make accusations made on race, religion, sexuality, or place of national origin.

It doesn’t make me a wetwipe, it makes you vulgar and undereducated.

And I will continue to call you out and report it regardless of when you posted it.

Good win for the boys, the interim team and football like a breath of fresh air.

COYC!

[gandhisflipflop]

I don’t understand why posters on here are shocked with the decision to fire Dyche
We was sleep walking into the championship no fight and absolutely horrible football that was being played!
I think it is the correct decision regardless if we go down.
Dyche has been fantastic for the club but his time at Burnley was at an end
I’ve enjoyed the last two games without Dyche and I have watched all this seasons matches
Hope we stay up
COYB

Because a lot of fans know little about football. Letting their heart rule their heads.

[Tall Paul]

I too thought Alan looked ill tonight.

He certainly didn't look like a man who hasn't got any of his own money at risk.