I’ll tell you this much

[Culmclaret]

I would be interested to know which players who have gone would have stayed under Dyche. It hardly looked the happiest of ships towards the end in any case.

[taio]

I would be interested to know which players who have gone would have stayed under Dyche. It hardly looked the happiest of ships towards the end in any case.

The same ones I would've thought.

[Spijed]

I don't know, for me both those sides had 3 or 4 players who would have walked into any other team in the league. I don't see anyone in our current side doing that. We also had plenty of experienced, battle hardened pro's.

You'll probably not find many better players in the Championship than Cork in the position he plays in.

[spt_claret]

Why will we? Can we not develop our skill at it? Fulham, Bournemouth and Forest all played from the back last season, all got promoted. Yes there needs to be a lesson learned on when to get rid and not overplay, but at the same time some of our best football and chances created today started from the keeper.

Did you miss the word excessive? Excessive as in too much. As in overly focusing on playing short. If we do it all the time teams will just know to keep sitting on our defence and pressing us because eventually we will mess it up- which we have already, yesterday was just the first time it's led to a goal but there's been near misses before. And frankly, our players are not as good as the top top teams who do this style, who still make mistakes doing it but less often and less costly because they have better players around them. That means with all the developing and lessons in the world, we're still likely to make mistakes this way.
You're acting like the promoted teams only got promoted because they played from the back when there's more than 1 way to win games.
As for chances created- 2 of our goals came from long balls forward. If you want to talk chances created from this playstyle you have to talk chances given away- of which there's been several. And regarding chances, we had half the number of shots on target as Blackpool, and only matched them for total shots with the late flurry. 1/2 the shots on target with over 2/3 of possession is not exactly the most productive method of chance creation.

I seem to recall you very keen on seeing the back of Dyche because he was too focused on a system. The same applies here- we can't fixate on playing short as much as possible, there has to be a mix- because it was the mix that actually got our goals yesterday.

I'm enjoying the structured intelligent football, I hope one day to see it in the PL from us. I hated the football for the last 4 years especially, Dyche did what he thought was right and that's fine and I understood the reasons behind it, I just found it a dreadful watch - football is supposed to be entertaining.

Entertainment is subjective. I found us pretty entertaining until the money dried up around 2020. As for structured intelligent football- that was the definition of Burnley at their best under Dyche. And I can't disagree more with you preferring this to the Prem- I'd much rather us be battling to survive in the Premier League than frustrating away in the Championship, because the Premier League is the top tier of football and football is also supposed to be about winning. It's a sport, after all, not a show.

[RVclaret]

Did you miss the word excessive? Excessive as in too much. As in overly focusing on playing short. If we do it all the time teams will just know to keep sitting on our defence and pressing us because eventually we will mess it up- which we have already, yesterday was just the first time it's led to a goal but there's been near misses before. And frankly, our players are not as good as the top top teams who do this style, who still make mistakes doing it but less often and less costly because they have better players around them. That means with all the developing and lessons in the world, we're still likely to make mistakes this way.
You're acting like the promoted teams only got promoted because they played from the back when there's more than 1 way to win games.
As for chances created- 2 of our goals came from long balls forward. If you want to talk chances created from this playstyle you have to talk chances given away- of which there's been several. And regarding chances, we had half the number of shots on target as Blackpool, and only matched them for total shots with the late flurry. 1/2 the shots on target with over 2/3 of possession is not exactly the most productive method of chance creation.

I seem to recall you very keen on seeing the back of Dyche because he was too focused on a system. The same applies here- we can't fixate on playing short as much as possible, there has to be a mix- because it was the mix that actually got our goals yesterday.

I don’t disagree, neither does Kompany, who after the match said it doesn’t always have to be short, but its about trying to create spaces to then create better quality chances. Clearly there will be lessons learned (hopefully) from yesterday in their post match analysis.

I’m not acting like promoted teams only got promoted because of playing out from the back, just pointing out they did it, and were promoted, pretty simple facts. As you say, best teams mix up their play and first half we did that quite well with two goals coming from fantastic passing from Harwood-Bellis (wasn’t just aimless % based long balls btw). We also had two great chances to score from superb play from the back, one of which Vitinho - who isn’t a winger - spooned and another which Maatsen failed to hit the target.

Most of Blackpool’s shots came in the second half, when admittedly we completely lost control through one reason or another (one of them coincidentally being going more direct to Barnes who couldn’t hold up the ball for love nor money).

[Vegas Claret]

Entertainment is subjective. I found us pretty entertaining until the money dried up around 2020. As for structured intelligent football- that was the definition of Burnley at their best under Dyche. And I can't disagree more with you preferring this to the Prem- I'd much rather us be battling to survive in the Premier League than frustrating away in the Championship, because the Premier League is the top tier of football and football is also supposed to be about winning. It's a sport, after all, not a show.

football is about winning and you enjoyed us in the Premier League - were you supporting the other teams ?

[Vegas Claret]

How is Cullen turning the wrong way?
He’s in the middle facing the ball

look at all the space to the right.........he turned left into trouble

[JohnMac]

Watch the Chelsea Keeper v Leeds. THAT is what you call a f!*£ up!

[BleedingClaret]

Nothing to do with Muric. In the end he saved us from defeat.

it was to do with Muric and the defence BUT they were doing as they'd been told so VK accountable
I said to a mate are we most after Points or Proving Points

[Rileybobs]

football is about winning and you enjoyed us in the Premier League - were you supporting the other teams ?

To be fair, our win percentage this season so far is pretty much on a par with last season in the Premier League.

[taio]

football is about winning and you enjoyed us in the Premier League - were you supporting the other teams ?

Thoroughly enjoyed our time in the PL.

[ClaretTony]

Nothing to do with Muric. In the end he saved us from defeat.

I’m with you and Muric has got my man of the match vote.

[Vegas Claret]

To be fair, our win percentage this season so far is pretty much on a par with last season in the Premier League.

yeah, but this is a brand new team. Can't judge anything at the moment in all fairness.

[Vegas Claret]

Thoroughly enjoyed our time in the PL.

I enjoyed it up to when we qualified for Europe

[spt_claret]

football is about winning and you enjoyed us in the Premier League - were you supporting the other teams ?

No. I just supported us before summer 2020 when Al's Pals took over. We got plenty of wins or draws then. Plenty of good results.
So far we've a 20% win rate in the Championship. In 2020-21 we had 26.3% in the Prem, the only year we hit below 20% was last year., 18.4%. I'm sure that the current 20% will go up but just pointing out facts.

[Vegas Claret]

No. I just supported us before summer 2020 when Al's Pals took over. We got plenty of wins or draws then. Plenty of good results.
So far we've a 20% win rate in the Championship. In 2020-21 we had 26.3% in the Prem, the only year we hit below 20% was last year., 18.4%. I'm sure that the current 20% will go up but just pointing out facts.

this is a brand spanking new team where half the lads wont even know each others name at this point. I've said this elsewhere, to compare any stats of anything at this stage is pointless. Let's see where we are at Christmas (I expect about 10th tbh)

[NRC]

Entertainment is subjective. I found us pretty entertaining until the money dried up around 2020. As for structured intelligent football- that was the definition of Burnley at their best under Dyche. And I can't disagree more with you preferring this to the Prem- I'd much rather us be battling to survive in the Premier League than frustrating away in the Championship, because the Premier League is the top tier of football and football is also supposed to be about winning. It's a sport, after all, not a show.

The very existence of the Premier League is characterized by a media company persuading teams to form a new league, the operating model of which the media company is at the center of. English football, as a sport, did not suddenly evolve, what DID evolve was football as sport entertainment.

So yes, it's a sport, but it's also a show. As a show the Dyche era was all about the David persona competing with the Goliath, not just once, but habitually. Very Romanesque and the Premier League gladiator finally expired David's effort. As a spectacle it got monotonous, whereas now we're no longer playing the role of David (nor Goliath), it's more interesting, but it's still football, and perhaps even more so BECAUSE this league moves the needle back towards sport from sports entertainment