Kompany thoughts so far....

[RVclaret]

Pretty confident he will never be one of the best

You were also pretty confident Sheffield United were running away with the league after 8 games. Think I’ll take your confidence with a pinch of salt.

[claretonthecoast1882]

We are talking about the elite managers.

Not saying he won’t be a prem manager but I would be amazed if he will get as far as some on here think.

Which top class managers did you know instantly would be ?

Could you tell with Klopp after 13 games at Mainz what he would go on to do or Fergie at St Mirren ?

How do you manage to decide, what is it that tells you so quickly ?

[DCWat]

I am amazed that people honestly think he will end up at city.

They go for the best managers in the world not managers like Kompany

If you don’t think City will have an eye on him for the future, I suspect you’ll be mistaken. Whether he makes it to that level, time will tell.

[Chester Perry]

What do you feel he's been misleading on?

I've not seen all of his interviews.

that might get this board in trouble, if I went into detail, but basically anything to do with detail on the finances and how much has been spent. Like the Chairman he avoids specifics and has picked up the Chairman's tactic of playing with what is actually true and what is specifically accurate at any given point in time. Which enables an awful lot of denial about things that are more or less true just not to the exact penny. VK is just not as comfortable with the Chairman in doing so, which is a good thing.

[jen1066]

that might get this board in trouble, if I went into detail, but basically anything to do with detail on the finances and how much has been spent. Like the Chairman he avoids specifics and has picked up the Chairman's tactic of playing with what is actually true and what is specifically accurate at any given point in time. Which enables an awful lot of denial about things that are more or less true just not to the exact penny. VK is just not as comfortable with the Chairman in doing so, which is a good thing.

Do you not think it's good that he's mentioned it though?
He could have easily been like Dyche and avoided it completely. But in the interviews I've watched he admits we've got the debt and how we had to be clever in the market. Not a chance Dyche would have mentioned it - he'd have put blame on the board and said how he didn't have anything to spend.

He does come across as a thoughtful person, so not sure he's being false - he's just taking things into consideration.

[boatshed bill]

If you don’t think City will have an eye on him for the future, I suspect you’ll be mistaken. Whether he makes it to that level, time will tell.

Weren't City (or at least Pep) sorry to lose Arteta.
Perhaps he won't get to the top either?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Out of interest, who do do think could become the best?

Perhaps just out of European managers.

Here’s a few names. I don’t expect all of them to become top managers, but they are the most likely to be best managers in the world in the next 10-15 years
Edin Turzic.
Nagelsman
Ruben Amorim
Julien Stephen
Arteta
Potter

[Newcastleclaret93]

If you don’t think City will have an eye on him for the future, I suspect you’ll be mistaken. Whether he makes it to that level, time will tell.

I’m sure city have a long list of managers with much higher credentials.

Like I said they will only go for a manager that’s arguably in the top 2 or 3 in world football. They are up there with the elite of the elite now. Arguably only Real Madrid and Barca would be competitors for a manager.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Fair do's after 13 games you could tell Arteta was one of the most likely to become one of the best managers in the world

In those 13 games he won 4 and drew with Us, Everton, Bournemouth, Palace and Sheff Utd... but you knew

[Chester Perry]

Do you not think it's good that he's mentioned it though?
He could have easily been like Dyche and avoided it completely. But in the interviews I've watched he admits we've got the debt and how we had to be clever in the market. Not a chance Dyche would have mentioned it - he'd have put blame on the board and said how he didn't have anything to spend.

He does come across as a thoughtful person, so not sure he's being false - he's just taking things into consideration.

Dyche did not mention it unless he used it in a political/pr sense - in the first 6 years he was very supportive of the financial model, only when he broke it (not entirely deliberately), did he become critical.

Kompany has been astute in differentiating from Dyche where needed and being similar for the same reasons - he knows he has a club line to follow and it is early days in his football management career, there is a platform of achievement to be generated from which credibility and a more personal voice could flow. He has ambitions in the game and knows he cannot create disruption at this stage, The fact that he appeared to be given such a level of influence on the recruitment will have helped in him toing the party line.

I will say that it does seem he works hard to avoid being the Chairman's mouthpiece on the finances

[Newcastleclaret93]

Fair do's after 13 games you could tell Arteta was one of the most likely to become one of the best managers in the world

In those 13 games he won 4 and drew with Us, Everton, Bournemouth, Palace and Sheff Utd... but you knew

But it’s not after 13 games is it?

Artetas whole management career has been at a top 6 team in the premier league.

Kompanys career has been run of the mill for three seasons at Anderlecht and then 13 games in the championship. Again it’s all about levels. If Kompany was going to be one of the best managers he would already be at a bigger club.

Look at the managers that have had a similar career.

Xavi - Barca Manager
Xabi Alonso - Leverkusen manager
Gerrard - Villa manager
Lampard - Everton manager
Arteta - Arsenal manager

If you don’t agree that’s fair enough. Do you think he’s going to be one of the best in the world?

[jen1066]

I’m sure city have a long list of managers with much higher credentials.

Like I said they will only go for a manager that’s arguably in the top 2 or 3 in world football. They are up there with the elite of the elite now. Arguably only Real Madrid and Barca would be competitors for a manager.

One of your mistakes is you constantly look to the now and give us the obvious. Something everybody with a brain cell already knows.

I can see Man City being interested in Kompany, but I can see that in a few year's time. Not this afternoon.

[Colburn_Claret]

Delighted, and surprised that we got him. I wished him all the best, but I didn't have an idea of how it would fare.

His name would obviously be a draw, which was the first positive.
His recruitment of young emerging talent was the second.
Lots of world class players, fail at management, not surprisingly, it's a different skill set, so the jury had to be out, but the gut instinct was positive.

The proof of the pudding, for me, was performances, rather than results. He did warn that it would take months for the team to gel to the new system. So performances have been 8-9/10, but still way beyond my expectations, so I am over the moon, and full of confidence. We can only get better.

As for the resident numpty Geordie, even City fans believe that VK is being lined up to take over at the Etihad. They aren't in any rush to lose Pep, but think he can take over from Pep in the future. After he's learned a bit more about himself and coaching, hopefully with a successful Clarets side.

[claretonthecoast1882]

But it’s not after 13 games is it?

Artetas whole management career has been at a top 6 team in the premier league.

Kompanys career has been run of the mill for three seasons at Anderlecht and then 13 games in the championship. Again it’s all about levels. If Kompany was going to be one of the best managers he would already be at a bigger club.

Look at the managers that have had a similar career.

Xavi - Barca Manager
Xabi Alonso - Leverkusen manager
Gerrard - Villa manager
Lampard - Everton manager
Arteta - Arsenal manager

If you don’t agree that’s fair enough. Do you think he’s going to be one of the best in the world?

Lampard - Derby first job in England wasn't it ?

I have no idea if he will or won't, I would think I was fairly dumb if I had already decided. Like I asked and you must not have read it could you tell with Klopp or Fergie ?

What I don't do though is go on a Burnley forum and anytime I see someone being positive ignoring if they turn out to be right or wrong is immediately jump on the chance to post something negative. If everytime I read something about Burnley and my first thoughts were constantly negative I would tell myself to move on as this club brings you no joy.

[quoonbeatz]

Good to see terminally clueless of newcastle making a berk of himself again.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Lampard - Derby first job in England wasn't it ?

I have no idea if he will or won't, I would think I was fairly dumb if I had already decided. Like I asked and you must not have read it could you tell with Klopp or Fergie ?

What I don't do though is go on a Burnley forum and anytime I see someone being positive ignoring if they turn out to be right or wrong is immediately jump on the chance to post something negative. If everytime I read something about Burnley and my first thoughts were constantly negative I would tell myself to move on as this club brings you no joy.

Haha it’s not negative at all. I literally said he will be a decent prem manager, I just said I can’t see him being in the top 2 or 3.

That’s pretty realistic in my opinion and not negative at all.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Good to see terminally clueless of newcastle making a berk of himself again.

I’m clueless for saying he won’t be in the top 2-3 manager in world football?

[quoonbeatz]

No, there are myriad other reasons.

[dsr]

But it’s not after 13 games is it?

Artetas whole management career has been at a top 6 team in the premier league.

Kompanys career has been run of the mill for three seasons at Anderlecht and then 13 games in the championship. Again it’s all about levels. If Kompany was going to be one of the best managers he would already be at a bigger club.

Look at the managers that have had a similar career.

Xavi - Barca Manager
Xabi Alonso - Leverkusen manager
Gerrard - Villa manager
Lampard - Everton manager
Arteta - Arsenal manager

If you don’t agree that’s fair enough. Do you think he’s going to be one of the best in the world?

Yes, it's easy to look at the early managerial careers and determine that Gerrard and Lampard are on the way to being wonderful while Kompany is already dead in the water; just as in the past, Alex Ferguson and Brian Clough could equally be written off as mediocre, and of the current crop you could look at Jurgen Klopp and Antonio Conte and know they could never be achievers. But there is an alternative school of thought that says that managers can recover from their first three years and become successful; some would say that Ferguson, Clough, Klopp and Conte are the proof. Perhaps you could attempt to keep your mind open.

Nobody believes that Kompany has proved himself a great manager. But on the other hand, nobody apart from yourself believes he has proved that he never could be. Time will tell, and he hasn't yet had time.

[Quicknick]

I thought it would go well, and it has. It isn't too early to say. We may well have a bad run, but we'll be up there at the end.

[dsr]

Here’s a few names. I don’t expect all of them to become top managers, but they are the most likely to be best managers in the world in the next 10-15 years
Edin Turzic.
Nagelsman
Ruben Amorim
Julien Stephen
Arteta
Potter

Three years into his managerial career, Graham Potter was manager of Leeds Carnegie and had led them to third place in the Northern Counties East League. He was about to take a step up to the Swedish fourth division. Had he done enough by then to put him on the list of potential great managers, or does it sometimes take a little longer to prove one's worth?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yes, it's easy to look at the early managerial careers and determine that Gerrard and Lampard are on the way to being wonderful while Kompany is already dead in the water; just as in the past, Alex Ferguson and Brian Clough could equally be written off as mediocre, and of the current crop you could look at Jurgen Klopp and Antonio Conte and know they could never be achievers. But there is an alternative school of thought that says that managers can recover from their first three years and become successful; some would say that Ferguson, Clough, Klopp and Conte are the proof. Perhaps you could attempt to keep your mind open.

Nobody believes that Kompany has proved himself a great manager. But on the other hand, nobody apart from yourself believes he has proved that he never could be. Time will tell, and he hasn't yet had time.

I don’t think my opinion is anymore radical than the posters that believe he will be a top manager.

My personal belief is he will be somewhere in the middle. I don’t think he’s good enough to be elite but I suspect he will get to gerrard and lampards level.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Three years into his managerial career, Graham Potter was manager of Leeds Carnegie and had led them to third place in the Northern Counties East League. He was about to take a step up to the Swedish fourth division. Had he done enough by then to put him on the list of potential great managers, or does it sometimes take a little longer to prove one's worth?

Despite them finishing 11th in Potters last season at Carnegie , newcastle could tell he will become one of the best managers in the world

[jen1066]

I don’t think my opinion is anymore radical than the posters that believe he will be a top manager.

My personal belief is he will be somewhere in the middle. I don’t think he’s good enough to be elite but I suspect he will get to gerrard and lampards level.

Christ, I hope he's better than Gerrard and Lampard. I don't rate either at all.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Despite them finishing 11th in Potters last season at Carnegie , newcastle could tell he will become one of the best managers in the world

I didn’t say I could tell then? So why are you saying that?

I was specifically asked who do I see as the most likely to be the next elite managers. He made that list.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Christ, I hope he's better than Gerrard and Lampard. I don't rate either at all.

Gerrard has had a fairly decent managerial career (although it has stalled recently).

Lampard has done a decent job at both Derby and now Everton.

[jen1066]

Gerrard has had a fairly decent managerial career (although it has stalled recently).

Lampard has done a decent job at both Derby and now Everton.

I don't rate either.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I didn’t say I could tell then? So why are you saying that?

I was specifically asked who do I see as the most likely to be the next elite managers. He made that list.

This is the problem with shifting goalposts.

You can tell Kompany won't because of what he has done in his first 3 years plus a few games while you think Potter possibly will be if you ignore the first few years of his managerial career.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don't rate either.

Fair enough, I can understand that they have both had mass sums of money in there managerial careers.

[Cirrus_Minor]

You have to say that he has done very well, high in the table and only one game defeated. He has coached the players to using a dominant possession style and there is some very good football.

There is though clearly room for improvement; the ability to use this possession to be more incisive in the final third and be able to sustain continuous attacks without crumbling in the latter stages of the game.

In fairness he has had limited time to know the players fully or they him, so hopefully things should get better as the season progresses. So considering how well we have done so far should give us all real optimism.

[Juan Tanamera]

Pretty confident he will never be one of the best

Based on what?
His 4 year career so far?

Name the manager who became the most successful in the history of football and started said career at East Stirling.
Then explain why Vincent Kompany can't follow a similar career path.

[boatshed bill]

Haha it’s not negative at all. I literally said he will be a decent prem manager, I just said I can’t see him being in the top 2 or 3.

That’s pretty realistic in my opinion and not negative at all.

I wish I could move goalposts

[Newcastleclaret93]

Based on what?
His 4 year career so far?

Name the manager who became the most successful in the history of football and started said career at East Stirling.
Then explain why Vincent Kompany can't follow a similar career path.

I’m just not sure I understand the logic.

Dyche achieved considerably more with way less resources at this point in there managerial careers. Do people believe Dyche will end up managing Real Madrid or city?

[Devils_Advocate]

Name the manager who became the most successful in the history of football and started said career at East Stirling.
Then explain why Vincent Kompany can't follow a similar career path.

I think you'll find Marcelo Bielsa started out at Newell's Old Boys not East Stirling

[Billy Balfour]

I've been so busy today and haven't stopped, not even for a bite to eat, until 15 minutes or so ago. I logged-on here, to read a thread while I have my late lunch, and I saw this one and thought it had great promise, given the subject. BUT, YET AGAIN, it's ruined by one of the attention seeking shut-ins. Sick to my back teeth of this. That is all.

[Juan Tanamera]

I think you'll find Marcelo Bielsa started out at Newell's Old Boys not East Stirling

Bielsa isn't even in the same book as Alex Ferguson, never the same page.

[superdimitri]

He's bit naive but you can tell he will learn from his mistakes as he's clearly a clever man. Not changing the team a lot when we are 1-0 ahead is a first.
Not convinced this type of football will keep us in the Premier League should we be promoted though.

[jen1066]

VK is my kind of manager.

Look at what he's done in such a short space of time. It's pretty incredible. If I was a manager I'd be making us play football on the ground and have we ever played football this good? Not in my lifetime we haven't.

As someone further up pointed out, it's entertaining.

I have this feeling that it really doesn't matter which player(s) leave - we'll bring in someone equally as good.

Oh - and we're the best team in this division.

[jen1066]

Not convinced this type of football will keep us in the Premier League should we be promoted though.

What type would you prefer? It's the best type of football you can ask for, we just need a few tweaks.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

From what I've seen on YouTube/TV, heard on the radio and read in the sports media and social media, he's doing a very very good job.

He's overseen one of the biggest overhauls of the team, players and playing style, seen in many a year and has kept us within touch of the automatic spots.

That's no mean feat and many predicted it wouldn't go well.

He's done better than I expected when he first rocked up and I was hoping he'd do well.

Top 6 is a minimum for me, I think he'll get us there.

He's well spoken, can have a laugh, clearly intelligent and his players are working hard for him.
He's respected the manager who was here before him and has embraced the hard work/ethics laid down by Dyche etc.

So long as he continues to do well for us, I couldn't give a toss if he does or doesn't end up at City eventually, but one day he will take the next step up the managerial ladder.

[SammyBoy]

Looking good so far, I'm impressed with the signings and his clear idea of what he wants to do with the team, it can be frustrating at times when we're huffing and puffing trying to break teams down but overall a decent start.

[Hipper]

I've not seen any games live, just the whole 90 minutes of all games on Sky and Clarets+. I have to say I only bothered because of the buzz Kompany made by importing lots of unknown players to replace the known ones.

The Huddersfield game was a major and pleasant surprise. Were Huddersfield really poor or were we very good. A bit of both it turns out. We've kept up the type of performance generally but from that start there seems to me to have been limited progress in the subsequent eleven league matches. An inability to finish teams off and/or to see a game out. It may be because teams already treat us with a lot of respect, or that we are flattering to deceive.

We still don't seem to have options on the bench that can radically change a game. The players that come on are more of the same. This maybe because injuries have denied is a good viewing of certain players or we simply don't have any.

The next run of games, starting with Swansea this Saturday, include what appear to be most of the better sides. I prefer to wait until after these, perhaps with the World Cup break, to make a fuller judgement.

We've done a bit more then OK considering the major upheavals in players, coaching staff and style of play. However I'd also, point out that Kompany is probably one of the highest paid managers in this division and has had a good budget so I expect at least the play-offs.

[jen1066]

Top 6 is a minimum for me, I think he'll get us there.

Top 6? You normally come across as a pretty positive person. Top 6?

[claretcarrot93]

So in summary, everyone thinks he is doing well apart from Newcastleclaret.

Who would have thought.

[claretonthecoast1882]

So in summary, everyone thinks he is doing well apart from Newcastleclaret.

Who would have thought.

All that means is everyone is wrong and he is right

[Newcastleclaret93]

So in summary, everyone thinks he is doing well apart from Newcastleclaret.

Who would have thought.

Haha where have I said he isn’t doing well?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Top 6? You normally come across as a pretty positive person. Top 6?

I didn't want to get called deluded by some of the others

[KRBFC]

Excellent coach, great guy too. Impressive how he's managed to integrate so many new players into a real team so quickly, I'd even argue our best performance was game 1 away at Huddersfield.

[Woodleyclaret]

We are doing great a few pillocks doesn't change that.

[KRBFC]

But it’s not after 13 games is it?

Artetas whole management career has been at a top 6 team in the premier league.

Kompanys career has been run of the mill for three seasons at Anderlecht and then 13 games in the championship. Again it’s all about levels. If Kompany was going to be one of the best managers he would already be at a bigger club.

Look at the managers that have had a similar career.

Xavi - Barca Manager
Xabi Alonso - Leverkusen manager
Gerrard - Villa manager
Lampard - Everton manager
Arteta - Arsenal manager

If you don’t agree that’s fair enough. Do you think he’s going to be one of the best in the world?

Xavi cut his teeth in Saudi Arabian football. Lampard was at Derby, Kompany Anderlecht/Burnley. Trying to claim there's one path the top is delusional, some big names get thrown in too early and then have to drop back down to earn their stripes (see Lampard).

VK is 36, Arteta is 40, Xavi 42, Lampard 44, Gerrard 42.

Let's see in 8 years time where 44 year old VK is compared to Lampard right now.