Just remembering when we were last in this division

[jen1066]

I think we need another central midfielder, said it for a while now. The bench just doesn't have a Cork/Cullen alternative. Hopefully it can be Westwood but ideally someone who is taller and stronger. Cork and Cullen have been really good for us, and will continue to be so. But with so many games, I think the squad is lacking a bit of muscle and nastiness in the middle. A Gilberto Silva, Patrick Viera sort.

This, and a striker, would be my priorities in January.

Taylor for me isn't a CB, so I wouldn't mind us bringing in another CB too.

[ClaretPete001]

Agree with this. Definitely a catch 22. And I’m not sure a sub would’ve stopped a very well worked goal.

I don’t want to see us sit deep too early - just wonder whether we now have to accept that at a point in the game (say 80 minutes) if we have a lead we are going to try and defend it/change shape/make defensive subs. And if we concede anyway, take the medicine.

3 points - particularly away from home - are just so precious I wonder whether we should start protecting them more at all costs.

It was hardly well worked.

The goal came from our throw in - on the edge of their penalty box taken by Vitinho when Zaroury just gave the ball away, which took out our left sided midfield and defence.

Absolutely no way should Vitnho be taking throw ins in the last third in the 80th miniute. It should not be thrown backwards to someone who is immediately under pressure and no way should their Left midfield sprint past our Left back, midfield and left sided centre back.

No subs or change in strategy is going to resolve school boy game management.

[Darnhill Claret]

I thought it was a great point. Prior to yesterday’s game over the last 8 games Birmingham had collected 17 points 17 points to our 16 points.

[NewClaret]

I think we need another central midfielder, said it for a while now. The bench just doesn't have a Cork/Cullen alternative. Hopefully it can be Westwood but ideally someone who is taller and stronger. Cork and Cullen have been really good for us, and will continue to be so. But with so many games, I think the squad is lacking a bit of muscle and nastiness in the middle. A Gilberto Silva, Patrick Viera sort.

This, and a striker, would be my priorities in January.

Westy back will be a big boost. Hopefully fresh.

Striker would be an absolute priority and all we need assuming Westy is back. But a holding/ deeper lying midfielder a second pick, being greedy.

[1882Clarets1882]

I thought it was a great point. Prior to yesterday’s game over the last 8 games Birmingham had collected 17 points 17 points to our 16 points.

This.

I think we'll turn em over at 'Turf . They're no mugs by any stretch and any team getting 4 points of brum will be there or there about make no mistake.

[NewClaret]

It was hardly well worked.

The goal came from our throw in - on the edge of their penalty box taken by Vitinho when Zaroury just gave the ball away, which took out our left sided midfield and defence.

Absolutely no way should Vitnho be taking throw ins in the last third in the 80th miniute. It should not be thrown backwards to someone who is immediately under pressure and no way should their Left midfield sprint past our Left back, midfield and left sided centre back.

No subs or change in strategy is going to resolve school boy game management.

I didn’t know that. I missed it, watched highlights but it’s not clear it comes from a throw/our possession.

Glad I didn’t know that last night

I am finding out throw ins hard to watch. We lose the ball a lot, even threw it directly to them on occasion last night, but more than anything just take a lot of time to the point our own crowd gets agitated at home games. We need them a bit quicker before teams get set or I’d bring back the long CR throw

Stating the obvious but we shouldn’t be conceding if we lost possession from there. Reckon we need some rules for how we play last 10 minutes against teams when we’re leading. Although as VK says, I’d rather be leading games than making comebacks.

[ClaretPete001]

I didn’t know that. I missed it, watched highlights but it’s not clear it comes from a throw/our possession.

Glad I didn’t know that last night

I am finding out throw ins hard to watch. We lose the ball a lot, even threw it directly to them on occasion last night, but more than anything just take a lot of time to the point our own crowd gets agitated at home games. We need them a bit quicker before teams get set or I’d bring back the long CR throw

Stating the obvious but we shouldn’t be conceding if we lost possession from there. Reckon we need some rules for how we play last 10 minutes against teams when we’re leading. Although as VK says, I’d rather be leading games than making comebacks.

I put the video above just proves you can lead a NewClaret to water but can't make you drink it .

I've got a L1 BTEC in Yo-Yo instruction and am more than happy to go to Gawthorpe and give VK some advice.

"Oy Vitinho 1 up ten to go - stay back you muuuuuppppppeeeettttttttt....!"

Ron Manager has nothing on me....!

[Devils_Advocate]

It was hardly well worked.

Course it was well worked goal regardless if we give away possession cheaply.

The ball was hit forward a bit aimlessly and their played did a lovey lay off followed by a crisp pass down the line, a good low cross in and a very tidy finish. The moved the ball from an up in the air ball in the middle of the pitch into the our goal in a matter of seconds.

[NewClaret]

I put the video above just proves you can lead a NewClaret to water but can't make you drink it .

I've got a L1 BTEC in Yo-Yo instruction and am more than happy to go to Gawthorpe and give VK some advice.

"Oy Vitinho 1 up ten to go - stay back you muuuuuppppppeeeettttttttt....!"

Ron Manager has nothing on me....!

Video above?

You should do that Pete. Sort em out. Give VK the benefit of our collective footballing knowledge

[ClaretPete001]

Course it was well worked goal regardless if we give away possession cheaply.

The ball was hit forward a bit aimlessly and their played did a lovey lay off followed by a crisp pass down the line, a good low cross in and a very tidy finish. The moved the ball from an up in the air ball in the middle of the pitch into the our goal in a matter of seconds.

It's a game of opinions, but well worked is when a team scores through good play and there was little the defending team could do to stop it.

It came from poor play from us, a hoofed clearance and was scored because they had more bodies in the box than us in the 80th minute.

It's the fifth 1-1 draw in 8 games with goals mainly scored from our Left.

I think the argument that somehow this was as a consequence of unforeseen good play from them is not reflecting reality even from the perspective of devil's advocacy.

[Woodleyclaret]

Kev Long on for last 15mins pushing Charlie to his best position left back .Vinny switched to rb
Roberts subbed.This would have helped as would our midfield getting the ball back

[ClaretPete001]

Video above?

You should do that Pete. Sort em out. Give VK the benefit of our collective footballing knowledge

LOL on it...! I'm thinking of press ups and arm wrestling competitions.

You could be Don Estelle to my Windsor Davies...!

[Devils_Advocate]

It's a game of opinions, but well worked is when a team scores through good play and there was little the defending team could do to stop it.

It came from poor play from us, a hoofed clearance and was scored because they had more bodies in the box than us in the 80th minute.

It's the fifth 1-1 draw in 8 games with goals mainly scored from our Left.

I think the argument that somehow this was as a consequence of unforeseen good play from them is not reflecting reality even from the perspective of devil's advocacy.

It was a well worked move and it was the pace and precision with which they moved the ball and their players up the pitch that turned a nothing ball into a goal in a matter of seconds.

The majority of goals come from some sort of mistake and nearly all goals can be defended better and stopped but that doesn't mean they are not well worked.

Not sure what you are going on about in terms of consequence of unforeseen good play and why how many 1-1 draws we have had is relevant when basically all I am saying is from when we made a mistake Birmingham worked the ball really well to exploit our shortcomings and turn it into a goal.

Teams give the ball away and defend badly all the time but they will nearly always get away with it because to turn those mistakes into a goal normally takes some good work by the attacking team

[ClaretPete001]

It was a well worked move and it was the pace and precision with which they moved the ball and their players up the pitch that turned a nothing ball into a goal in a matter of seconds.

The majority of goals come from some sort of mistake and nearly all goals can be defended better and stopped but that doesn't mean they are not well worked.

Not sure what you are going on about in terms of consequence of unforeseen good play and why how many 1-1 draws we have had is relevant when basically all I am saying is from when we made a mistake Birmingham worked the ball really well to exploit our shortcomings and turn it into a goal.

Teams give the ball away and defend badly all the time but they will nearly always get away with it because to turn those mistakes into a goal normally takes some good work by the attacking team

On balance, I think the goal came from poor game management from us and had very little to do with their good play.

But yes, after the cock ups and the hoof ball they managed 2 decent passes and a cross to the only person in a good position in the box.

If that is the general definition of well-worked then so be it - I agree....! I doubt whether VK will view it that way.

On the upside, not big problems to resolve and tbf to VK prior to the injuries we had two clean sheets in two.