Jordan Beyer

[wilks_bfc]

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/sta ... bbyOg&s=19

Speaks very well too. His English is better than Kevin Long's (soz Kev).

His reaction to when he realised he assisted Bensons goal is briliant

[Cleveleys_claret]

His interview is brilliant, no way the interviewer was getting a question in, answered about 10 questions without being asked any of them, interviewer must have wondered what am I gonna ask him once he finishes

[Nonayforever]

Brilliant bit of business and brilliant footballer. What a shame our ability to find these gems only started after our relegation

Yes, Brilliant bit of business and a good footballer. But there are hundreds of good professional footballers out there who would be better given a better football platform.
V K is the key to our players shining. He has provided a platform for them to perform at their personal best.
SD would not get the same out of Beyer & THB as VK is getting.

[Quicknick]

It's a loan with an option to buy, isn't it?

[claptrappers_union]

I do wonder; have the new owners got the people in place to recruit so well or is it VK who knew exactly who he wanted to bring in? Either way, it's been an unbelievable transition so someone, somewhere, should be roundly applauded.

I think they owners are backing VK better than they did with Dyche - who’s recruitment in general was very good. But it’ll be interesting to see what recruitment success we if we get back into the Premier League.

[ArmchairDetective]

I seem to recall an option to buy only if we go up.

Article below supports this.

https://theathletic.com/3559857/2022/09 ... er-window/

I find it very surprising that Farke didn't want him there. Hopefully we manage to bring him here permenantly. He's been an absolute find at 22 years old. Top player.

Exciting times.

[clarethomer]

I think they owners are backing VK better than they did with Dyche - who’s recruitment in general was very good. But it’ll be interesting to see what recruitment success we if we get back into the Premier League.

Is it that or that VK just can operate better on the budgets set?

[martin_p]

Is it that or that VK just can operate better on the budgets set?

Or is it that it’s easier to buy players as one of the better off championship clubs than one of the poorer premier league clubs. I think we’ve done some great business, but comparing it to what we could do in the premier league is a bit pointless.

[jedi_master]

Should be our priority above all else this summer to get him wrapped up. He’s just got better and better. Imperious against QPR and Boro.

[claptrappers_union]

Is it that or that VK just can operate better on the budgets set?

I don’t know how anyone can operate better under the budgets like Sean Dyche did.

[wilks_bfc]

If you consider that 3/4 of our regular back 4 are loan players you’d like to think we could get at least one of them signed up.

I don’t fancy, should we go up, starting the Premier League with a complete new defence that hasn’t any experience together

[ecc]

His interview is brilliant, no way the interviewer was getting a question in, answered about 10 questions without being asked any of them, interviewer must have wondered what am I gonna ask him once he finishes

Huge enthusiasm. As you'd expect with a bloke from Germany, excellent English. Just seems to be walking on a cloud like all our players.

You really do feel that our players would run through a brick wall for VK.

[Firthy]

If you consider that 3/4 of our regular back 4 are loan players you’d like to think we could get at least one of them signed up.

I don’t fancy, should we go up, starting the Premier League with a complete new defence that hasn’t any experience together

Hoping we'll get some pointers in the January window. I can see THB, Beyer and Maatsen all wanting to stay if we get promoted because they probably won't get the same chances to play in the Premier League at the likes of Man City and Chelsea. Hopefully VK and the players can persuade their clubs to sell them.

[Bullabill]

The lad's really got it - he talks of playing on 'The Turf'!

[Lancasterclaret]

Are we sure we have a chance to buy him for a ridiculously small fee if we get promoted?

[ArmchairDetective]

Are we sure we have a chance to buy him for a ridiculously small fee if we get promoted?

Something in my memory is saying 2 or 3 million. But ive genuinely got no idea where I got that figure from and could be way off.

[Big Vinny K]

Are we sure we have a chance to buy him for a ridiculously small fee if we get promoted?

We 100% have a buy option and from the same watertight source (as watertight as you could possibly get !) it’s not a big fee.
I don’t know what ‘big’ fee constitutes but given our record signing under VK is about £4m I’d say that is not a million miles off and it’s aligned to the other young players we have bought (Twine, Zaroury, Benson etc)

[Lancasterclaret]

We 100% have a buy option and from the same watertight source (as watertight as you could possibly get !) it’s not a big fee.
I don’t know what ‘big’ fee constitutes but given our record signing under VK is about £4m I’d say that is not a million miles off and it’s aligned to the other young players we have bought (Twine, Zaroury, Benson etc)

Brilliant

[bfcjg]

Really good player,he and Harwood-Bellis are rapidly becoming the new Tarks and Mee regarding understanding each otgercetc.

[MT03ALG]

I compare Jordan Bayer to Franz Beckenbauer, especially the way he moves forward into the midfield if he sees a gap, which tends to cause panic with opposing teams....

[TopCat]

Better than THB (IMHO)

[NickBFC]

Definitely a player that can step up, should we get promoted this season. Need to tie him down to a permanent deal if we can.

[gandhisflipflop]

I seem to recall an option to buy only if we go up.

Article below supports this.

https://theathletic.com/3559857/2022/09 ... er-window/

I find it very surprising that Farke didn't want him there. Hopefully we manage to bring him here permenantly. He's been an absolute find at 22 years old. Top player.

Exciting times.

Farke doesn’t know what defenders are

[MT03ALG]

Two good central defenders for the most part, BUT, they'll need to toughen up when Sheffield United come to town if we are to avoid another battering.

Muric will also need to up his game for that one.

With luck we will be near promotion by then.....

[MT03ALG]

And we get him for peanuts, if we get promoted, apparently. He oozes class. A Rolls-Royce of a defender!

My German friend Manfred, a Gladbach fan and Chairman of the Black Forest Clarets ( ) states that Gladbach have no money, that 5 players are out of contract in summer 2023 and he thinks that Beyer has a contract with Gladbach until 2025. He adds that Gladbach can therefore not afford to sell Beyer at a bargain price.

[Duffer_]

My German friend Manfred, a Gladbach fan and Chairman of the Black Forest Clarets ( ) states that Gladbach have no money, that 5 players are out of contract in summer 2023 and he thinks that Beyer has a contract with Gladbach until 2025. He adds that Gladbach can therefore not afford to sell Beyer at a bargain price.

Please thank Manfred for his service but tell him he is nicht richtig (2026)...

https://bulinews.com/news/11046/beyer-e ... h-contract

[clarethomer]

Or is it that it’s easier to buy players as one of the better off championship clubs than one of the poorer premier league clubs. I think we’ve done some great business, but comparing it to what we could do in the premier league is a bit pointless.

My point has been misunderstood in relation to CTUs comments. We don't know how much money each Manager had to spend but I dont think its been vastly different given what we have spent over the seasons.

My question was more about VK may appeared better backed but I genuinely don't believe that given what he has spent is much different to what SD had available to spend over a transfer window.

The appearance of being better backed could be because he has found players/value from the money has had at his disposal. He has used his extensive network, his playing reputation, his ability to speak several language and the data driven scouting to bring players in from a far.

Compare to SD - he showed a different approach in his time.

[clarethomer]

I don’t know how anyone can operate better under the budgets like Sean Dyche did.

I think he did well but the poor transfer windows over the last few seasons were a bit confusing in that we were always told there was money available but could never spend it. Either he couldnt find players to fit the budget or he really was knee capped by the board.

Give both VK and SD £20m and I think based on recruitment we have seen, my money is that VK would use that money better - which is where I was coning from. I think both have been backed similarly rather than VK being better backed, he has just found the way to use that money wisely.

[martin_p]

My point has been misunderstood in relation to CTUs comments. We don't know how much money each Manager had to spend but I dont think its been vastly different given what we have spent over the seasons.

My question was more about VK may appeared better backed but I genuinely don't believe that given what he has spent is much different to what SD had available to spend over a transfer window.

The appearance of being better backed could be because he has found players/value from the money has had at his disposal. He has used his extensive network, his playing reputation, his ability to speak several language and the data driven scouting to bring players in from a far.

Compare to SD - he showed a different approach in his time.

I don’t think he will have had anymore to spend, maybe less, but £25m goes a lot further in the Championship than the Premier League.

[aclaretinstevenage]

With luck we will be near promotion by then.....

Only 5 games to go following Sheff Utd at Turf Moor on 10th April. If we maintain form and stay relatively injury / suspension free the game may not have as much significance as I had thought.

[clarethomer]

I don’t think he will have had anymore to spend, maybe less, but £25m goes a lot further in the Championship than the Premier League.

Yes your money does go further in the championship as fees likely to be lower and wages too.

I would still back VK on a like for like basis in each league to be able to buy better than Dyche did.

Clearly thats a hunch and personal opinion. Not fact.

Anyway - back to the post, I hope we have an agreed fee and clause that allows us to buy the player if we are promoted.

[Big Vinny K]

I don’t think he will have had anymore to spend, maybe less, but £25m goes a lot further in the Championship than the Premier League.

How much is the net spend though under VK ?
Sold Dwight for £20m, Cornet for £17.5m and Beskitas have a buy option on WW which conservatively could be £7m.
So that’s more than £40m plus out and maybe half of that in players VK has brought in ?
And on top of this it sounds like VK has a budget for players salaries which is less than the equivalent budget Dyche had last time we were in the championship.

Is there a team in the championship with a net spend as low as Burnley this year ? Watford might be close after selling Dennis but not sure who they have brought in. But even Watford by keeping star players Saar and Pedro and a lot of other players from last year have got to have a much higher wage bill than us right now.

What VK has done is nothing short of remarkable.

[martin_p]

How much is the net spend though under VK ?
Sold Dwight for £20m, Cornet for £17.5m and Beskitas have a buy option on WW which conservatively could be £7m.
So that’s more than £40m plus out and maybe half of that in players VK has brought in ?
And on top of this it sounds like VK has a budget for players salaries which is less than the equivalent budget Dyche had last time we were in the championship.

Is there a team in the championship with a net spend as low as Burnley this year ? Watford might be close after selling Dennis but not sure who they have brought in. But even Watford by keeping star players Saar and Pedro and a lot of other players from last year have got to have a much higher wage bill than us right now.

What VK has done is nothing short of remarkable.

But he wasn’t in any way responsible for the income, in fact most of them were done deals before he arrived, so net spend is a red herring. The fact is the amount of money he’s had to spend would have bought one, maybe two players, that would have got into our Premier League starting XI.

[Vino blanco]

How much is the net spend though under VK ?
Sold Dwight for £20m, Cornet for £17.5m and Beskitas have a buy option on WW which conservatively could be £7m.
So that’s more than £40m plus out and maybe half of that in players VK has brought in ?
And on top of this it sounds like VK has a budget for players salaries which is less than the equivalent budget Dyche had last time we were in the championship.

Is there a team in the championship with a net spend as low as Burnley this year ? Watford might be close after selling Dennis but not sure who they have brought in. But even Watford by keeping star players Saar and Pedro and a lot of other players from last year have got to have a much higher wage bill than us right now.

What VK has done is nothing short of remarkable.

Didn’t we sell somebody called Collins to Wolves for a Bob or two?

[Commy]

How much is the net spend though under VK ?
Sold Dwight for £20m, Cornet for £17.5m and Beskitas have a buy option on WW which conservatively could be £7m.
So that’s more than £40m plus out and maybe half of that in players VK has brought in ?
And on top of this it sounds like VK has a budget for players salaries which is less than the equivalent budget Dyche had last time we were in the championship.

Is there a team in the championship with a net spend as low as Burnley this year ? Watford might be close after selling Dennis but not sure who they have brought in. But even Watford by keeping star players Saar and Pedro and a lot of other players from last year have got to have a much higher wage bill than us right now.

What VK has done is nothing short of remarkable.

£20m for Collins as well. I think transfer market had us at £43m profit.

[Big Vinny K]

But he wasn’t in any way responsible for the income, in fact most of them were done deals before he arrived, so net spend is a red herring. The fact is the amount of money he’s had to spend would have bought one, maybe two players, that would have got into our Premier League starting XI.

Dwight and Cornet were both training under VK and were sold whilst he was manager.
It’s pretty relevant in that firstly he may have not have been given any of the money to spend on new players without selling these players and secondly he has to find replacements who could could go into the starting eleven at much lower transfer fees and wages.

Dyche was rarely given a war chest to spend either and also had to rely on selling players as we know. Both VK and SD done amazing jobs in picking bargain players which suit their systems and give us a fighting chance of getting to the Premier League within tight financial constraints.

[Big Vinny K]

£20m for Collins as well. I think transfer market had us at £43m profit.

Forgot about that !!
Also sold after VK’s appointment

[CardiffClaret]

I think it’s only fair to compare Dyche’s transfer performance in the Championship with Kompany, and ignore the Premier League as that is a completely different challenge.

2013/14 significant signings were:
Tom Heaton,
David Jones,
Scott Arfield,
Ashley Barnes,
Chris Baird,
Alex Cisak

All signed on a free other than Ashley Barnes. At least 3, if not 4, of those players went on to be club legends, and in general this can only be considered the perfect transfer window(s).

2015/16 significant signings were:
Matt Lowton,
Jelle Vossen,
Chris Long,
Tendayi Darikwa,
Rouwen Hennings,
Andre Gray,
Joey Barton,
Paul Robinson,
James Tarkowski.

A bit more of a mixed bag, but in general another incredible group of signings. I think financially that season would be more comparable to this one. Difficult to compare yet, but impression so far is that success of transfers made by Kompany this season are similar to the 2015/16 season, with some absolute gems and a few lower risk signings that perhaps won’t pay off.

[martin_p]

Dwight and Cornet were both training under VK and were sold whilst he was manager.
It’s pretty relevant in that firstly he may have not have been given any of the money to spend on new players without selling these players and secondly he has to find replacements who could could go into the starting eleven at much lower transfer fees and wages.

And a much lower level of football.

Had we stayed up, even if some of the players sold had stayed, he’d have struggled to bring in the quality players he’d have needed to play his system in the Premier League.

[MT03ALG]

Please thank Manfred for his service but tell him he is nicht richtig (2026)...

https://bulinews.com/news/11046/beyer-e ... h-contract

Manfred only thought that he had a contract until 2025. The article states 2026. For Clarets' fans at Old Trafford, how did Beyer perform against Premier League players ?

[Robbie_painter]

Jordan beyer is class and hopefully we do have an agreement in place to sign him at the end of the season if promoted as he is going to make a top player.

[TheOriginalLongsider]

Beyer is fast becoming one of our best players in a team of very good ones. I like how he often drives out of defence through the middle and starts an attack. His defending is not bad either! Reminds me of Beckenbauer or Moore

[bobinho]

Yes, Brilliant bit of business and a good footballer. But there are hundreds of good professional footballers out there who would be better given a better football platform.
V K is the key to our players shining. He has provided a platform for them to perform at their personal best.
SD would not get the same out of Beyer & THB as VK is getting.

I agree. Under SD they’d still be at their parent clubs or on loan elsewhere.

If by some freak anomaly in the way he thought about loan options they DID end up here, they’d still be warming the bench.

For all his success and achievements, some of the options available to him were criminally underused.

VK is a breath of fresh air in this regard.

[fatboy47]

Manfred only thought that he had a contract until 2025. The article states 2026. For Clarets' fans at Old Trafford, how did Beyer perform against Premier League players ?

Fine.
Far more traffic from midfield to deal with, but never looked out of place and maintained the confidence to take the ball forward through gaps when appropriate.
Uniteds press was more intense and sophisticated than we've seen from anyone in the champ this year but he stuck to the script.
Never looked anything but a composed classy defender.

[Anonymous Claret]

I am becoming more and more impressed with Beyer every time I see him. Whereas earlier in the season Harwood Bellis was our stand out centre half I think over recent games that accolade now falls to Beyer. Hopefully we can go up and sign him permanently. I have to say that Charlie Taylor accomplished himself pretty well at left centre also but I think Beyer is a level above.

[IanMcL]

I think he did well but the poor transfer windows over the last few seasons were a bit confusing in that we were always told there was money available but could never spend it. Either he couldnt find players to fit the budget or he really was knee capped by the board.

Give both VK and SD £20m and I think based on recruitment we have seen, my money is that VK would use that money better - which is where I was coning from. I think both have been backed similarly rather than VK being better backed, he has just found the way to use that money wisely.

2 different scenarios. The signings made by Mr D were for the prem league. Pretty good signings and tremendous character.

VK had a blank page and after all the sold players of prem class, has been able to attract some bright young, technically gifted players, from overseas.

That was rarely possible for Mr D. VK had first hand knowledge of them.

Both excellent in their own environment.

[claretspice]

I am becoming more and more impressed with Beyer every time I see him. Whereas earlier in the season Harwood Bellis was our stand out centre half I think over recent games that accolade now falls to Beyer. Hopefully we can go up and sign him permanently. I have to say that Charlie Taylor accomplished himself pretty well at left centre also but I think Beyer is a level above.

I think Beyer is generally very impressive. He carries the ball out of defence as well as anyone I've seen at Burnley (reminiscent of Steve Davis mk2 in his first spell, except Beyer is playing at a higher level) his distribution is good, and he reads the game exceptionally.

There are a couple of caveats though. Firstly I've read the Gladbach wanted him to toughen up physically and that rings true. He's not especially dominant in either box. Secondly, he has a weakness 1v1. That was exposed by Rashford, but whilst he's an international so plenty of allowance can be made, there have also been some glaring examples in the Championship - Rotherham's second goal most obviously but there are others (eg Norwich nearly scored when Pukki ran at him, he made a weak attempt at a tackle, it was squared and JBG cleared from nowhere).

Right now both those weaknesses would be exploited in the Premier League and the latter is of particular concern in a team playing the way we do. I'd still love us to sign him permanently at the right price though.

[distortiondave]

Beyer is fast becoming one of our best players in a team of very good ones. I like how he often drives out of defence through the middle and starts an attack. His defending is not bad either! Reminds me of Beckenbauer or Moore

I actually laughed out loud at the subtle sarcasm here until I realised you meant Bobby and not Neil.

[bfcjg]

How he defends and breaks out reminds me of Steve Davis at his best. Superb player.

[Quicknick]

How he defends and breaks out reminds me of Steve Davis at his best. Superb player.

He's much better than Steve Davis.