Wood burners

[Jakubclaret]

Quite right...not to mention the release of VOCs and other harmful substances. The rise in use of woodburners is directly impacting local air quality and will be one of the next focuses following the scrutiny over vehicles in the past 5-10 years

As far as using them being carbon neutral....the key word is "can"....doesn't mean that is, and it relies on planting elsewhere to make up for the ones cut down and burned. There's also a sh1t tonne of carbon in a tree!

But yeah...burning decking is a bit daft really

Pretty much everything pollutes air quality all the big industrial factories pumping out toxic fumes would be a better starting point.

[Belial]

Pretty much everything pollutes air quality all the big industrial factories pumping out toxic fumes would be a better starting point.

Those 'big industrial factories' are, in the most part, well regulated...the majority of pollutants have seen a huge reduction over the past 30 years or so

The main exception being... Particulate Matter and to an extent, NO2. Both an impact of woodburners. Ammonia emissions are also going against the trend

[Jakubclaret]

Those 'big industrial factories' are, in the most part, well regulated...the majority of pollutants have seen a huge reduction over the past 30 years or so

The main exception being... Particulate Matter and to an extent, NO2. Both an impact of woodburners. Ammonia emissions are also going against the trend

Health & safety don't give a monkeys easily fobbed off or bribed they are pigheaded because I don't think they are funded by the government anymore or in part so need to recoup but things easily quieten down when a piece of paper with a queens head on is produced. It's cheaper for the companies to go down that avenue than spending sh1tloads on extraction & other H&S directives.

[Belial]

Health & safety don't give a monkeys easily fobbed off or bribed they are pigheaded because I don't think they are funded by the government anymore or in part so need to recoup but things easily quieten down when a piece of paper with a queens head on is produced. It's cheaper for the companies to go down that avenue than spending sh1tloads on extraction & other H&S directives.

What's health and safety got to do with anything?

[Jakubclaret]

What's health and safety got to do with anything?

I guess if you don't give a sh1t about employees not a lot
The discussion had moved from wood burners into industrial companies I think some of that could possibly fall into some sort of an health & safety arena.

[Belial]

I guess if you don't give a sh1t about employees not a lot
The discussion had moved from wood burners into industrial companies I think some of that could possibly fall into some sort of an health & safety arena.

Well...you mentioned in the context of pollution that industrial sites are an issue, and I responded to state they are mostly regulated and that the facts prove many substances have significantly reduced over time.

Not really seeing where health and safety has come into any discussion?

[Jakubclaret]

Well...you mentioned in the context of pollution that industrial sites are an issue, and I responded to state they are mostly regulated and that the facts prove many substances have significantly reduced over time.

Not really seeing where health and safety has come into any discussion?

The remit of health & safety encompasses the welfare of the employee it's a mutual duty by legislation for the employer & employee to adhere to. Health & safety is supposed to protect exposure.

[Belial]

The remit of health & safety encompasses the welfare of the employee it's a mutual duty by legislation for the employer & employee to adhere to. Health & safety is supposed to protect exposure.

Ok so the whole thread is about environmental pollution but you are now discussing employee health and safety?

[Jakubclaret]

Ok so the whole thread is about environmental pollution but you are now discussing employee health and safety?

Double damn right I am on the basis that pollution causes poor health whatever form of pollution it impacts health, there’s environmental pollution such as wood burners & also major industrial companies whether regulated or not cause pollution, I’m not sure when discussing pollution (whatever form of pollution) how you can separate the word health or even safety from the discussion, please explain how pollution & health are separate regardless of methods of exposure?

[Belial]

Double damn right I am on the basis that pollution causes poor health whatever form of pollution it impacts health, there’s environmental pollution such as wood burners & also major industrial companies whether regulated or not cause pollution, I’m not sure when discussing pollution (whatever form of pollution) how you can separate the word health or even safety from the discussion, please explain how pollution & health are separate regardless of methods of exposure?

Workplace exposure is completely different to environmental pollution. It's regulated by an entirely separate regime for a start. This thread is about woodburners and impacts of them to local air quality. You mentioned factories... They too can impact local and global air quality however in the most part are regulated and that has been proven to significantly reduce emissions over the last few decades (aside from particulates, NO2 and ammonia - which if you look at the sources, are not mainly from 'factories').

[Jakubclaret]

Workplace exposure is completely different to environmental pollution. It's regulated by an entirely separate regime for a start. This thread is about woodburners and impacts of them to local air quality. You mentioned factories... They too can impact local and global air quality however in the most part are regulated and that has been proven to significantly reduce emissions over the last few decades (aside from particulates, NO2 and ammonia - which if you look at the sources, are not mainly from 'factories').

I’m taking my grandson out fishing so I’ll pick this up later, if you can present a convincing argument that poor health & any kind of pollution don’t go hand in hand fair enough case closed, no beating around the bush you seem to have a problem with wood burners I can understand their popularity with the energy prices & think if people need to keep warm leave them be, my axe is with major companies pumping out the plumes. Good day.

[Belial]

I’m taking my grandson out fishing so I’ll pick this up later, if you can present a convincing argument that poor health & any kind of pollution don’t go hand in hand fair enough case closed, no beating around the bush you seem to have a problem with wood burners I can understand their popularity with the energy prices & think if people need to keep warm leave them be, my axe is with major companies pumping out the plumes. Good day.

There's quite a few inaccuracies there...I haven't said I have a problem with woodburners, I've stated the facts about them. Neither have I stated anywhere that pollution doesn't cause health issues! You seem dismissive of the facts regarding emissions from industry however...

[ŽižkovClaret]

There's quite a few inaccuracies there...I haven't said I have a problem with woodburners, I've stated the facts about them. Neither have I stated anywhere that pollution doesn't cause health issues! You seem dismissive of the facts regarding emissions from industry however...

Perhaps the old sphere of influence / sphere of concern kicked in there? Unless someone here has a hotline to industry and can ask them to add a filter to their chimneys?

[Rileybobs]

Jakub’s wafflings must be a significant contributor to global carbon emissions.

[IanMcL]

Health & safety don't give a monkeys easily fobbed off or bribed they are pigheaded because I don't think they are funded by the government anymore or in part so need to recoup but things easily quieten down when a piece of paper with a queens head on is produced. It's cheaper for the companies to go down that avenue than spending sh1tloads on extraction & other H&S directives.

That is quite an allegation!

[Hipper]

This is a thread about domestic wood burners. What are the pros and cons of having a wood burning stove in a domestic setting?

What goes on in factories and other workplaces is important of course but it has no relevance to this thread. If anyone has issues on these matters it would be easy to start another thread. However the subject does not help a prospective buyer of a wood burner make their decision.

[CaptainKirk]

I’m taking my grandson out fishing so I’ll pick this up later, if you can present a convincing argument that poor health & any kind of pollution don’t go hand in hand fair enough case closed, no beating around the bush you seem to have a problem with wood burners I can understand their popularity with the energy prices & think if people need to keep warm leave them be, my axe is with major companies pumping out the plumes. Good day.

So, can you recommend someone for me or not?

[Jakubclaret]

So, can you recommend someone for me or not?

For a thread that was started well over a month ago & along the way you've received good advice & now approaching spring if you haven't found somebody right by now I guess you never will

[Bosscat]

For a thread that was started well over a month ago & along the way you've received good advice & now approaching spring if you haven't found somebody right by now I guess you never will

You have to remember "A log burner is not just for Christmas"

[boatshed bill]

I know some posters really don't rate him but isn't burning him a bit extreme?