Tunnel Bust Up

[elwaclaret]

Why does it matter if people are originally from Burnley?
Surely all fans from far and wide are welcomed?

It doesn’t matter… but it does not half help if he thinks he might know the other poster and wants to check. I think you may be being a little over zealous looking for issues tbh.

[chipbutty]

I heard it was Ash arguing with Obafemi about who really has the biggest ………….

How old are you??
I doubt that i would type that crap if i was 14.

[Royboyclaret]

Why does it matter if people are originally from Burnley?
Surely all fans from far and wide are welcomed?

That hardly justifies a response.

Look forward to hearing from FCBurnley and DA tomorrow.......Night all.

[IanMcL]

The whole of the Luton team did today to be fair. Apart from scoring the penalty he was completely ineffective and was probably our worst player on the pitch today

He played deeper and linked play very well.
He also defended very well.

[Taffy on the wing]

He played deeper and linked play very well.
He also defended very well.

Also the ball was bouncing all over the shop........very difficult to control with one touch,
all done by design to suit their style!
Man City would struggle on that pitch.
We won & we move on to the next.......we played as well as conditions allowed. UTC.

[Bfc]

FCBurnley, you missed saying you also watched a lot of away games. If you do get back for a game, I’ve ticket next to me, for you anytime.

[RVclaret]

He played deeper and linked play very well.
He also defended very well.

His link play was quite poor. Slow and scruffy. Happy to put some of it down to the pitch although it was the same against Watford.

[winsomeyen]

FC Burnley, Did you play for the same cricket team as Lotty1 ?

[Burnley1989]

At least it wasn’t me making an arse of myself after a beer this week

[bumba]

I don't need to understand owt thanks. He was poor today but as I said on the match thread once we had the penalty there isn't another player I'd want to take it.

Barnes slows our play down in the false number 9 role and I think we are really starting to miss Jay

If you think we're missing Jay then you don't understand football, Jays been awful for months and much much slower than Barnes

[taio]

His link play was quite poor. Slow and scruffy. Happy to put some of it down to the pitch although it was the same against Watford.

Rubbish.

[RVclaret]

Rubbish.

I would argue a more rubbish post is you just posting rubbish without backing it up.

[taio]

I would argue a more rubbish post is you just posting rubbish without backing it up.

Worth no more.

[RVclaret]

Worth no more.

- 2nd worse pass completion rate in our team (62%)
- won just 3 out of 9 aerial duels (30%)
- completed 0 take ons

Like I said, I felt he limited our attacking play and struggled to hold up the ball. It was all a bit messy. DA is being jumped on for suggesting we miss Jay's technical ability in there but I can see where he is coming from.

[taio]

- 2nd worse pass completion rate in our team (62%)
- won just 3 out of 9 aerial duels (30%)
- completed 0 take ons

Like I said, I felt he limited our attacking play and struggled to hold up the ball. It was all a bit messy. DA is being jumped on for suggesting we miss Jay's technical ability in there but I can see where he is coming from.

Haven't looked at the stats but I guess the pass completion rate among all our players was abnormal under VK and not too dissimilar to Barnes' yet he was playing in a position and a role least likely to string passes together.

[KRBFC]

I thought Barnes played well.

[Hapag Lloyd]

I would argue a more rubbish post is you just posting rubbish without backing it up.

Barnes gets mainly sevens and eights on the player ratings thread for the Luton game with some posters making him their mom. Just two posters score him a six, you being one of them.

[RVclaret]

Barnes gets mainly sevens and eights on the player ratings thread for the Luton game with some posters making him their mom. Just two posters score him a six, you being one of them.

Probably because he scored an important goal and did some good defensive work. Rest of his game, as I highlighted above, I felt wasn't at his recent levels.

[taio]

Probably because he scored an important goal and did some good defensive work. Rest of his game, as I highlighted above, I felt wasn't at his recent levels.

Yet you thought he was worth a six by the sounds of it. Presume without the important goal and good defensive work it'd have been a four.

[RVclaret]

Yet you thought he was worth a six by the sounds of it. Presume without the important goal and good defensive work it'd have been a four.

Probably a 5, like I rated all of the other attacking players, subs aside.

[Vincent'sCap]

- 2nd worse pass completion rate in our team (62%)
- won just 3 out of 9 aerial duels (30%)
- completed 0 take ons

Like I said, I felt he limited our attacking play and struggled to hold up the ball. It was all a bit messy. DA is being jumped on for suggesting we miss Jay's technical ability in there but I can see where he is coming from.

Stats man talking drivel again.

[RVclaret]

Stats man talking drivel again.

Tough test yesterday.

[taio]

Probably a 5, like I rated all of the other attacking players, subs aside.

Did they have a similar pass completion rate, aerial duals won and take-ons

[Darnhill Claret]

I think we should all remember that however well the team and the individuals in the team have played, there will be games where they fall below the extremely high standards they have set. Don't think that we need to jump on them when that happens. It's just an opportunity for others to be praised for their efforts. Most games 2 or 3 will be carried a little by the others. Just be thankful that there have been several games where the whole team have played well together.

[RVclaret]

Did they have a similar pass completion rate, aerial duals won and take-ons

Looks like you've got a bit lost.

[ClaretInLeeds]

Barnes gets mainly sevens and eights on the player ratings thread for the Luton game with some posters making him their mom. Just two posters score him a six, you being one of them.

Obviously looked worse on TV, but Barnes played really well yesterday against some giant Centre halves that didn’t come to play football. He also rattled Tom Lockyer that much that he ended up getting booked twice in 2 mins - swiftly followed by getting Adeybayo booked too. Dropped deeper to pick up the second ball and in general used it well. Given that we didn’t play with the width that we normally do, it was difficult to keep the ball on that terrible pitch.

[Rileybobs]

I thought Barnes was our most important player yesterday, and that’s without the penalty. It was a scruffy performance against a good, physical side, and his role was vital.

[taio]

Looks like you've got a bit lost.

Likewise, judging by your reference to stats in isolation and you rating him lower than anyone else. I suspect if I looked back at the ratings against Watford there would be a similar pattern.

[mdd2]

When were you at BGS FC Burnley?

[mdd2]

I was there 55-62

[RVclaret]

Likewise, judging by your reference to stats in isolation and you rating him lower than anyone else. I suspect if I looked back at the ratings against Watford there would be a similar pattern.

Then also check the Norwich ratings where I said he was excellent and gave him a 9. I try not to let bias get in the way of what I see and using stats here and there can help.

[Robbie_painter]

I thought Barnes played well.

Barnes did play well,again.

[taio]

Then also check the Norwich ratings where I said he was excellent and gave him a 9. I try not to let bias get in the way of what I see and using stats here and there can help.

If you like stats - Whoscored ratings which are underpinned by data and an algorithm - rated only Muric, Taylor and Ekdal higher than Barnes yet you rated him lower than anyone based on pass completion, aerial duals and take-ons. I prefer to watch the game.

[ClaretInLeeds]

Then also check the Norwich ratings where I said he was excellent and gave him a 9. I try not to let bias get in the way of what I see and using stats here and there can help.

Presumably you weren’t at Luton yesterday and are therefore judging him off the limited TV coverage?

[RVclaret]

If you like stats - Whoscored ratings which are underpinned by data and an algorithm - rated only Muric, Taylor and Ekdal higher than Barnes yet you rated him lower than anyone based on pass completion, aerial duals and take-ons. I prefer to watch the game.

Not a big fan of WhoScored ratings, which have a tendency to rate scorers/assists higher. Josh Cullen hasn’t appeared in a single Championship team of the week according to their ratings, yet he’s surely in the current team of the season.

[RVclaret]

Presumably you weren’t at Luton yesterday and are therefore judging him off the limited TV coverage?

No I wasn’t, I live overseas, not sure why TV coverage is limited.

[taio]

Not a big fan of WhoScored ratings, which have a tendency to rate scorers/assists higher. Josh Cullen hasn’t appeared in a single Championship team of the week according to their ratings, yet he’s surely in the current team of the season.

As I said they rated Muric, Taylor and Ekdal highest which doesn't fit your narrative. Do you disagree that they were among our best players? They rated Barnes fourth.

[RVclaret]

As I said they rated Muric, Taylor and Ekdal highest which doesn't fit your narrative. Do you disagree that they were among our best players? They rated Barnes fourth.

Their defensive ratings make a bit more sense. Looking at blocks made etc, it’s why Tarky made their PL TOTY on several occasions.

[NL Claret]

So was there a tunnel bust up or not?

[taio]

Their defensive ratings make a bit more sense. Looking at blocks made etc, it’s why Tarky made their PL TOTY on several occasions.

So not just based on assists and scorers then. Our highest rated player on there this season is a midfielder...followed by a defender. Not that I put too much weight on such stats - I prefer to judge based on what I see. That's why I know Barnes had a decent game yesterday without having to look-up his pass completion rate, aerial duals and take-ons.

[RVclaret]

So not just based on assists and scorers then. Our highest rated player on there this season is a midfielder...followed by a defender. Not that I put too much weight on such stats - I prefer to judge based on what I see. That's why I know Barnes had a decent game yesterday without having to look-up his pass completion rate, aerial duals and take-ons.

Fair one. Entitled your opinion. Mine is that his link up play was a bit slow and scruffy, but like I said at the very start of this conversation, happy to put some of that down to the pitch. My use of stats only came as you decided to call out my opinion with ‘Rubbish’ without anything else, to which I added a few basic stats. Yesterdays game was similarish to Stoke away, when in that game Jay Rod came on and we started playing more fluidly, with his more technical play. Barnes that day wasn’t bad, like yesterday, but Jay changed the game when he came on. Nothing more to it than that.

[ClaretInLeeds]

No I wasn’t, I live overseas, not sure why TV coverage is limited.

TV coverage is more limited than being there at the game.

You’ve got a lot of opinions on things you don’t see. Stats don’t tell the whole tale.

[RVclaret]

TV coverage is more limited than being there at the game.

You’ve got a lot of opinions on things you don’t see. Stats don’t tell the whole tale.

How? Perhaps you should tell our manager that who watches all the opposition games on TV.

[taio]

Fair one. Entitled your opinion. Mine is that his link up play was a bit slow and scruffy, but like I said at the very start of this conversation, happy to put some of that down to the pitch. My use of stats only came as you decided to call out my opinion with ‘Rubbish’ without anything else, to which I added a few basic stats. Yesterdays game was similarish to Stoke away, when in that game Jay Rod came on and we started playing more fluidly, with his more technical play. Barnes that day wasn’t bad, like yesterday, but Jay changed the game when he came on. Nothing more to it than that.

You've mentioned Jay more than once - he wasn't available yesterday.

[ClaretInLeeds]

You can’t be serious?

You don’t understand the limitations of watching a game on TV as opposed to live, in person?

[RVclaret]

You can’t be serious?

You don’t understand the limitations of watching a game on TV as opposed to live, in person?

There’s not many tbh.

[ClaretInLeeds]

You keep telling yourself that

[Rileybobs]

The fact that Kompany kept Barnes on for the duration, despite all of our attacking options, shows how integral he was to our result yesterday.

[Big Vinny K]

How? Perhaps you should tell our manager that who watches all the opposition games on TV.

I think he probably has a better understanding of the game than yourself to be fair !
But in all seriousness that is clearly not his only method of getting information on the opposition. He will get it from a whole range of methods - including scouting reports from watching them live.

You do get a completely different perspective of a game watching it live and in my opinion if you have played the game for many years you also see things watching it live that you would not on TV…..movement into space, runs when the pass may not be delivered, tracking back, pressing as a unit etc etc

[roperclaret]

TV coverage is more limited than being there at the game.

You’ve got a lot of opinions on things you don’t see. Stats don’t tell the whole tale.

I’d argue you see more detail when watching on TV.