Potter gone

[Notsosuperstevedavis]

I suspect Chelsea will now repeat the mistakes Man U made.

They, (the club) have bought an embarrassing amount of players who I’m convinced the manager didnt have much say in,

Its effectively a bunch of square pegs that didnt fit round holes, and it was Potters job to make them fit.

They’ll now proceed to go through a raft of managers, (also like Spurs when you think about it) trying to get new managers to fit the same square pegs into round holes - hiring and firing every 9-12 month and waste the what? 400m they’ve spent on transfer dealings over the course of the next 2-3 years until they realise a scattergun approach to players and managers doesnt work.

[Jakubclaret]

I suspect Chelsea will now repeat the mistakes Man U made.

They, (the club) have bought an embarrassing amount of players who I’m convinced the manager didnt have much say in,

Its effectively a bunch of square pegs that didnt fit round holes, and it was Potters job to make them fit.

They’ll now proceed to go through a raft of managers, (also like Spurs when you think about it) trying to get new managers to fit the same square pegs into round holes - hiring and firing every 9-12 month and waste the what? 400m they’ve spent on transfer dealings over the course of the next 2-3 years until they realise a scattergun approach to players and managers doesnt work.

100% spot on its complete madness, potter & conte knew what they were getting into a couple of back to back defeats you are more or less on the brink of losing your job, there’s that much money involved to get things right without much margin for error.

[dsr]

Looking at his managerial record on wiikpedia for all the good he did at Brighton his win percentage was higher at Chelsea.
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It's supposed to be higher at Chelsea. Taking Brighton to mid-table Premier League is seen as a better performance than taking Chelsea to mid-table Premier League, even if it does take a year or two longer.

[Jakubclaret]

It's supposed to be higher at Chelsea. Taking Brighton to mid-table Premier League is seen as a better performance than taking Chelsea to mid-table Premier League, even if it does take a year or two longer.

I realise that it’s expected & unsurprising but what it should show despite that that he wasn’t doing such a bad job although 11th (I think) does look bad on paper, I would have let the season peter out & then maybe P45 time from now until that point who else will come in & improve their fortunes with most of the season already gone.

[LowtonClaret]

Ye know, I’ll just copy what I just wrote on the Rodgers thread because it remains relevant. I hadn’t heard about Potter being potted until now.

This farce in the PL with manager after manager going reminded me of a line at the end of Kompany’s interview with Campbell, VK said something that I interpreted as recognising when you are onto a good thing and not thinking the grass will be greener somewhere else, perhaps somewhere with a revolving door.

I do think we will get 3 or 4 years from him at least for that very reason, as long as we are still progressing.

Naive at best with that thinking. Money talks unfortunately in this business. Hope I'm completely wrong.

[Swizzlestick]

I realise that it’s expected & unsurprising but what it should show despite that that he wasn’t doing such a bad job although 11th (I think) does look bad on paper, I would have let the season peter out & then maybe P45 time from now until that point who else will come in & improve their fortunes with most of the season already gone.

He was doing a bad job. That win percentage at Brighton is poor. While it’s higher at Chelsea - it was always going to be - performances have been insipid. CFC would’ve been expecting minimum top 4. He’d lost the fans - no point facilitating an increasingly toxic atmosphere.

[Colburn_Claret]

Madness
I like Potter, but what a **** hand he was dealt. To have to take on so many players, that you had no input in. Then have to deal with a squad so big, that some players can't register for the team, and yet be expected to run a happy ship.

I've never got my head around 'Directors of Football'. You're either the manager or not. To rise or fall on the picks of someone else is working with one hand tied behind your back.
Why owners think it will work, and why some managers accept the situation is beyond my reasoning.

[Swizzlestick]

Madness
I like Potter, but what a **** hand he was dealt. To have to take on so many players, that you had no input in. Then have to deal with a squad so big, that some players can't register for the team, and yet be expected to run a happy ship.

I've never got my head around 'Directors of Football'. You're either the manager or not. To rise or fall on the picks of someone else is working with one hand tied behind your back.
Why owners think it will work, and why some managers accept the situation is beyond my reasoning.

Isn’t this exactly how it works at Brighton?

[Damo]

He was a very strange appointment in the first place.
To have a squad like that and sitting in 11th place in the league was asking for it too.
1 nil down yesterday and moved Chilwell from wing back to left center half was just bizarre.
I'm amazed that some people think this was a premature decision

[Colburn_Claret]

Isn’t this exactly how it works at Brighton?

Not quite. Brighton buy players for a sell on value. Chelsea only do that with kids who struggle to get anywhere near the first team. If a player doesn't work out at Brighton it isn't a hardship to move them out for another.
When you're spending millions on a supposedly finished article, it has to work or you lose a fortune.
Tony Bloom knows what he is doing, I don't think the new board at Chelsea have a clue, just lots of money.

[Jakubclaret]

He was doing a bad job. That win percentage at Brighton is poor. While it’s higher at Chelsea - it was always going to be - performances have been insipid. CFC would’ve been expecting minimum top 4. He’d lost the fans - no point facilitating an increasingly toxic atmosphere.

What you expect & what you get are 2 totally different things, I believe he's a manager who needs time as a long term project if you look at brighton, patience & Chelsea are 2 things you wouldn't associate with each other, he was doing a bad job league wise but potentially the CL was there & we'll never know how he would have got on, agree with the rest of your post.

[Socrates]

I always felt there was way too much hyperbole around Potter - and the press was cringeworthy.

His win ratio at Brighton was not much better than Steve Kean’s. And the fact that de Zerbi has come in and instantly improved the team and individual players should really make people consider again the job Potter did there.

He was an awful appointment.

[Lancasterclaret]

Never minded him, but as has already been said, the press he got when compared to the results he was getting did seem more than a little generous

Clearly a massive chance for him and he'd have been mad to turn it down but you do wonder with a fan base like that and owners who appear to buy players like I buy milk if it was ever going to work

Arteta at Arsenal is an example of giving a coach time and money, but I guess that template is never going to work with a club like Chelsea

[Swizzlestick]

Not quite. Brighton buy players for a sell on value. Chelsea only do that with kids who struggle to get anywhere near the first team. If a player doesn't work out at Brighton it isn't a hardship to move them out for another.
When you're spending millions on a supposedly finished article, it has to work or you lose a fortune.
Tony Bloom knows what he is doing, I don't think the new board at Chelsea have a clue, just lots of money.

Yes, but your point was about separate people doing the recruitment and how it doesn’t work, where it very much does work at Brighton. It’s the norm at quite a few clubs. GP will have been walking into a similar situation to the one he was used to previously. It just seems like a bit of an excuse to defend his poor record.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Way out of his depth.

He summed himself up perfectly when trying to appease Chelsea fans after losing so easily at home to Villa by claiming the XG was good.

[bfcjg]

Conte Rodgers Potter, there's a double entendre in there for any aspiring Sun sports journalist. Oh err missus.

[mikeS]

Potter certainly had the money. Spent over £300 million in January.
Chelsea would have done better with Brian Potter in charge.

[ElectroClaret]

The stats from the Villa game probably sum up why he got the bullet, as taken from an excellent article by Ian Ladyman in the Mail:

70% possession
13 corners
27 shots, 8 on target (Villa 5, 2 on target)
All of which produced no goals and a 0-2 defeat.

[aggi]

The stats from the Villa game probably sum up why he got the bullet, as taken from an excellent article by Ian Ladyman in the Mail:

70% possession
13 corners
27 shots, 8 on target (Villa 5, 2 on target)
All of which produced no goals and a 0-2 defeat.

Very similar to the issues that he had at Brighton where, for a long time, they really struggled to score goals.

[Rowls]

Graham Potter will never be "sacked" - he will only ever be "potted".

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Reportedly turned down an offer from Leicester, he's going to take a break from football aka he doesn't want to get relegated.

[Bosscat]

Graham Potter will never be "sacked" - he will only ever be "potted".

Using same logic Rodgers will only ever be Rogered then

[tiger76]

Never minded him, but as has already been said, the press he got when compared to the results he was getting did seem more than a little generous

Clearly a massive chance for him and he'd have been mad to turn it down but you do wonder with a fan base like that and owners who appear to buy players like I buy milk if it was ever going to work

Arteta at Arsenal is an example of giving a coach time and money, but I guess that template is never going to work with a club like Chelsea

Potter was always going to go when Chelsea came calling, however like many before him he found the Chelsea gig too much to handle/

Doesn't help any manager when the club appears not to have a coherent transfer policy, and their approach is scattergun at best, however his results certainly in the league have been poor for a club with Chelsea's ambitions.

Arteta is the prime example of what a manager can do when they are given the time to make the required changes, however that patience is rare in the modern game alas.

Potter will be in demand soon despite his failure at Chelsea which is a graveyard for managers.

[ElectroClaret]

So it cost 22.5m to hire him and I’m sure I read it would cost the same amount if not more to sack him

Practically all the papers saying compo around
£13 million.

[scamander]

Bizarre appointment, I live in Brighton and have many seagull fans. He took a long time to get his system in place at Brighton and it was starting to click. Point being is that his style (e.g. give me a season at least) is opposite what Chelsea needed. It was a silly appointment on that basis alone and perhaps Potter realises that now.

In anticipation of any "if you were offered double the money" true - but he wasn't on peanuts. He wasn't working in a site. He was earning very good money with a patient chairman who had a ling term plan. How many managers get that? As for him coming back, unlikely given his departure, he took the entire back team with him and recruitment as well. He got a lot of stick when he came back. I sense he burned a few bridges.