The summer Trafford/Muric dilemma

[Grimsdale]

Liverpool rumoured to be interested in Trafford as a backup for Alisson: https://www.footballinsider247.com/live ... d-sources/

[NewClaret]

Muric is a £50million+ goalkeeper. He'd be at home at any of the top teams in the world. Sadly I think he'll be sold and sadly I think it'll be on the cheap.

I agree with this.

The worst thing about relegation for me is that we’ll likely end up having to sell some players far more cheaply than we should’ve done. But none will be more infuriating than Muric, especially as we might’ve got the right kind of money and stayed up (so double ££) if Kompany had just played him.

I love Kompany and can accept he’s learning, but this one goes down as the most inexplicable and costly decision I’ve known. From an investment point of view Alan must be seething.

The only way to correct it will be to hang on to the stars like him at all costs.

[jlup1980]

Whether we are relegated or not, VK needs to pin his colours to the mast early.

For me, Muric has to be number 1. He's 25 and is coming towards the peak years of his career.

Trafford is only 21 and has plenty of years ahead of him. It would make sense for VK to use his contacts in Belgium in order to send Trafford to a solid, top-flight Belgian club next season. It would get him out of the firing line whilst gaining valuable experience. I've said before that he's miles ahead of where Pope and Heaton were at his age. He has time to develop and I'm sure he will.

[NewClaret]

Liverpool rumoured to be interested in Trafford as a backup for Alisson: https://www.footballinsider247.com/live ... d-sources/

Wouldn’t surprise me and I can say I think the “we’ll struggle to get our money back” crew are way way wrong on Trafford. I have no doubt about that.

[NewClaret]

Whether we are relegated or not, VK needs to pin his colours to the mast early.

For me, Muric has to be number 1. He's 25 and is coming towards the peak years of his career.

Trafford is only 21 and has plenty of years ahead of him. It would make sense for VK to use his contacts in Belgium in order to send Trafford to a solid, top-flight Belgian club next season. It would get him out of the firing line whilst gaining valuable experience. I've said before that he's miles ahead of where Pope and Heaton were at his age. He has time to develop and I'm sure he will.

Good points across the board.

I just really hope we’re not forced to selling all our assets on the cheap as we’ve actually signed very good ones in the main. And a few who I’m sure would become very good in the Championship / given time.

[Jakubclaret]

Muric is a £50million+ goalkeeper. He'd be at home at any of the top teams in the world. Sadly I think he'll be sold and sadly I think it'll be on the cheap.

Jesus that's a fair jump every football internet valuation site I've come across as him at around £7million no more than £10million which I think is low myself but it's a fair climb to £50million when he's played an handful (maybe slight more) of top flight games he's only featured since the Brentford win.

[Boss Hogg]

If we are serious about being promoted then Muric needs to be No.1.Hopefully the penny has dropped with this one. 50 million though - not a chance. Trafford needs a loan out or to be sold as a PL no 2.

[jedi_master]

If there is interest in Trafford (and despite his tribulations, it wouldn't shock me - homegrown, young but relatively experienced, full England squad etc) and we can get anything like what we paid for him then without a doubt sell. Muric has proven he is the man for us in either division. He makes some ridiculous errors but you look past them to an extent due to how utterly integral he is to our style of football. Trafford is a long way behind Muric on the things which Muric is excellent at, and they're crucial to our play.

[Belgianclaret]

Muric as nr 1 for me, should have been from the start or at least from 10 games in

[NewClaret]

Jesus that's a fair jump every football internet valuation site I've come across as him at around £7million no more than £10million which I think is low myself but it's a fair climb to £50million when he's played an handful (maybe slight more) of top flight games he's only featured since the Brentford win.

I fully believe that’s the kind of potential he has.

I would not swap him for Onana, who cost £47.5m, for example. I think he’s better.

I’m not saying that’s his value today, but Christ on a bike if we sold him for £10m in my view it would be a huge undervaluation of a special talent. Not to mention one of my favourite players to watch.

To reach higher fees he’d need another year at this level and to reduce his unforced errors and improve his passing accuracy, which I think is likely given his age and improvement to date. Which he might’ve done had we played him all season.

The other way of looking at it is his value to the club. We know each season in the Prem is worth at least £60m to the us. I think we’ll have much more chance of coming back up and benefiting from that if we keep him. His distribution makes such a difference to how we play, so for that alone I wouldn’t be selling him for some of the really low figures mentioned.

[ArmchairDetective]

I'd be starting Muric next season and try to loan Trafford out. Don't think we're ready to go without Muric yet. Proven his worth. Traff is clearly very highly thought of so wouldn't sell unless it's for a decent price.

[It Is What It Is]

Alternate Muric and Trafford every other game.
What really is the harm in that.
Keeps both on their toes and more competitive.

[claretspice]

This idea that Muric was worth £50m is completely wild.

He's a good keeper. Him and Trafford both are (and by the way, I think Trafford's distribution is rated much higher within the game than it is by supporters on here). Muric has great distribution skills, although not always the game intelligence when it comes to using them, and his decision making generally is vulnerable (he's made more mistakes leading directly to goals in 8 games than Trafford has in 20-odd). He's also improved markedly in his command of the area since he joined us 18 months ago. I'd expect us to make a profit on Muric but there's no way on earth it'll be the sort of money some on here expect (and not particularly because he's not played much this season, either).

If in another world we'd got relegated this season with Muric as number 1 (and lets not overstate the idea we'd have been vastly better off for points had we had him from the beginning - I think he should have started the season but I don't think he'd have made that big a difference) and got an offer for him on relegation, as we did Pope, then I don't think anyone would be objecting to the idea of Trafford as a replacement.

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[Terrier]

Amazing really, scouts at one of the top clubs in the world obviously rate the lad and yet the experts on here don't.

[CoolClaret]

This idea that Muric was worth £50m is completely wild.

He's a good keeper. Him and Trafford both are (and by the way, I think Trafford's distribution is rated much higher within the game than it is by supporters on here). Muric has great distribution skills, although not always the game intelligence when it comes to using them, and his decision making generally is vulnerable (he's made more mistakes leading directly to goals in 8 games than Trafford has in 20-odd). He's also improved markedly in his command of the area since he joined us 18 months ago. I'd expect us to make a profit on Muric but there's no way on earth it'll be the sort of money some on here expect (and not particularly because he's not played much this season, either).

If in another world we'd got relegated this season with Muric as number 1 (and lets not overstate the idea we'd have been vastly better off for points had we had him from the beginning - I think he should have started the season but I don't think he'd have made that big a difference) and got an offer for him on relegation, as we did Pope, then I don't think anyone would be objecting to the idea of Trafford as a replacement.

Spice, while I respect your viewpoint, I must say I strongly disagree with several points regarding our goalkeepers. I believe that your constantly included Trafford in the 'Your team for...' threads, which suggests a degree of bias -somewhat similar to a manager sticking with a signing to avoid admission of their own mistake...

Regarding 'mistakes' I see it like this - it's like a player like Harry Winks. Doesn't do anything 'wrong' but doesn't really do anything 'right' either. I've never rated him or players that play the ball laterally all the time. People often say things like they're 'tidy' but I disagree with that assessment, I think they play like that because they don't have it in their locker to play line splitting, progressive passes.

For me Trafford is overtly 'safe', think lateral passing to the centre back, receiving it, standing on the ball, rinse repeat. That really stagnated our team dynamics this season, enabling opponents to press us more aggressively.
Then on the odd occasion he tried something a bit riskier - floated balls out to the fullback he lacks the ability to deliver them with speed which you need in the PL; see some of the passes he played out to Al-Dakhil/Roberts at the start of the season, particularly against Spurs at home. It won't go down as his 'mistake' but it kinda is, just allows defences to drift over and be in on our players instantly.

Muric, despite being more prone to 'misaktes', shows a willingness to initiate bolder plays. His proactive style and quick decision-making contribute significantly to our play style creating a dynamic approach essential for playing through teams. This contrast in styles is crucial; Muric’s approach, though riskier, generally benefits our team far more by pushing the pace and opening up the game.

I do believe this sort of 'English tax'—the premium on young English talents like Trafford due to homegrown player quotas for European competitions—often inflates their market value disproportionately to their on-field impact. For me the hype around Trafford seems more a product of his nationality and age rather than a testament to huge amounts of ability.

I think your last point is also demonstrably false. To go from losing 20 from 28 games to 1 loss in 7 is seismic. I mean, it just is.
No doubt there'd have been hairier moments but it's just undeniable at this point. We'd have been significantly better off now just sticking with Muric who lets be honest, has gone from strength to strength as he has played more games.

Important to not forget with Muric that that he's also young and inexperienced. He's still played slightly less senior men league games than Trafford and yes, of course he has to try and cut down on the number of 'mistakes' he does make but for me, I'd still prefer a keeper that has the ability to be truly world-class but needs to work on decision making than one with less ability but less prone to errors.

[Jakubclaret]

I fully believe that’s the kind of potential he has.

I would not swap him for Onana, who cost £47.5m, for example. I think he’s better.

I’m not saying that’s his value today, but Christ on a bike if we sold him for £10m in my view it would be a huge undervaluation of a special talent. Not to mention one of my favourite players to watch.

To reach higher fees he’d need another year at this level and to reduce his unforced errors and improve his passing accuracy, which I think is likely given his age and improvement to date. Which he might’ve done had we played him all season.

The other way of looking at it is his value to the club. We know each season in the Prem is worth at least £60m to the us. I think we’ll have much more chance of coming back up and benefiting from that if we keep him. His distribution makes such a difference to how we play, so for that alone I wouldn’t be selling him for some of the really low figures mentioned.

What you believe & what actually happens might not match. The club under the current administration don't have the will to dig their heels in & play the long game it will be very much let's make a profit & get the next 1 in. We will be led to believe that circumstantially it's unavoidable such as release clauses (which may be the case on occasions) I've got more faith in the club (in particular the owners) turning profit quickly for personal gain rather than investing back in for long term sustainability. I know how they are operate & my eyes are wide open to that.

[Ric_C]

Amazing really, scouts at one of the top clubs in the world obviously rate the lad and yet the experts on here don't.

All Trafford is just potential at the moment. Don't think anyone on here has ever doubted that.

A lot of the "experts" on here were calling for him to be taken out of the firing line for the good of his own career.

They have been proven to be right as well I might add.

[Boss Hogg]

Amazing really, scouts at one of the top clubs in the world obviously rate the lad and yet the experts on here don't.

As a no 2 and as a long term prospect. They can afford to wait and afford for it not to work out too. We need it to work straight away next season. Muric is a known quantity.

[Carlos the Great]

Can someone explain why we bought Trafford ? We had Muric and we didn’t need a new keeper especially a young inexperienced one for nearly 20 million

[ClaretPete001]

Muric worth £50 million quid?

He was at one of the top teams in the world until they sold him to us for £3 million.

Just shows how stupid Pep is....

[Darthlaw]

Can someone explain why we bought Trafford ? We had Muric and we didn’t need a new keeper especially a young inexperienced one for nearly 20 million

I think it's because we intentionally set out to sign players weaker than those we already had. It can be the only explanation for Amdouni, Ramsey, Tresor. It's also why we signed Weghorst in the past.

Also, it's so fans could overinflate what we paid for him by 60% to try make a point.

Or

It could just be another signing that didn't come off.

[Darthlaw]

(Based on the assumption we are relegated)

In my opinion, Muric (despite his cockups / Game ratio) is no doubt likely to have more suitors albeit those with the larger wallet are unlikely to be spending / risking big money on a keeper. Certainly I can't see any PL clubs being in distinct need of spending £15-20m on a keeper and willing to splash it on a GK with such high profile clangers.

Also, given our finances, I don't think that it's likely we'll be in a position to have a £12m reserve GK or one out on loan without a substantial loan fee and wages being covered. The only way to recover his fee is to play Trafford back into form but given the vitriol he had to sustain prior to being dropped, I don't see how this will be possible. Frankly, as soon as Trafford is restored to the team, an element of the fans are likely to be on his back. Given that, I think its a reasonable opinion to state that regardless of the summer, his career is already is over with us.

Ideally, we recover our fee for Trafford in the summer and Muric stays, continues to develop and (assuming he can sort his concentration issues) turns into a GK the big boys will consider splashing the big money on.

What do I think will happen? I think Muric will be sold in the summer for around £10m to a mid-lower top tier European team. Trafford will once again be thrust into the first team and may finish up being the barometer of VK's success next season.

[boatshed bill]

Amazing really, scouts at one of the top clubs in the world obviously rate the lad and yet the experts on here don't.

Is Allison leaving?
Or Could it be Trafford replacing Kelleher, who is highly rated and should be a first choice somewhere.

[claretspice]

Spice, while I respect your viewpoint, I must say I strongly disagree with several points regarding our goalkeepers. I believe that your constantly included Trafford in the 'Your team for...' threads, which suggests a degree of bias -somewhat similar to a manager sticking with a signing to avoid admission of their own mistake...

Regarding 'mistakes' I see it like this - it's like a player like Harry Winks. Doesn't do anything 'wrong' but doesn't really do anything 'right' either. I've never rated him or players that play the ball laterally all the time. People often say things like they're 'tidy' but I disagree with that assessment, I think they play like that because they don't have it in their locker to play line splitting, progressive passes.

For me Trafford is overtly 'safe', think lateral passing to the centre back, receiving it, standing on the ball, rinse repeat. That really stagnated our team dynamics this season, enabling opponents to press us more aggressively.
Then on the odd occasion he tried something a bit riskier - floated balls out to the fullback he lacks the ability to deliver them with speed which you need in the PL; see some of the passes he played out to Al-Dakhil/Roberts at the start of the season, particularly against Spurs at home. It won't go down as his 'mistake' but it kinda is, just allows defences to drift over and be in on our players instantly.

Muric, despite being more prone to 'misaktes', shows a willingness to initiate bolder plays. His proactive style and quick decision-making contribute significantly to our play style creating a dynamic approach essential for playing through teams. This contrast in styles is crucial; Muric’s approach, though riskier, generally benefits our team far more by pushing the pace and opening up the game.

I do believe this sort of 'English tax'—the premium on young English talents like Trafford due to homegrown player quotas for European competitions—often inflates their market value disproportionately to their on-field impact. For me the hype around Trafford seems more a product of his nationality and age rather than a testament to huge amounts of ability.

I think your last point is also demonstrably false. To go from losing 20 from 28 games to 1 loss in 7 is seismic. I mean, it just is.
No doubt there'd have been hairier moments but it's just undeniable at this point. We'd have been significantly better off now just sticking with Muric who lets be honest, has gone from strength to strength as he has played more games.

Important to not forget with Muric that that he's also young and inexperienced. He's still played slightly less senior men league games than Trafford and yes, of course he has to try and cut down on the number of 'mistakes' he does make but for me, I'd still prefer a keeper that has the ability to be truly world-class but needs to work on decision making than one with less ability but less prone to errors.

So lets start with the basics here. I support Burnley, I don't support James Trafford or Aro Muric. I try to be objective. Anyone reducing this to "I support X player" or "you are biased against Y" probably isn't trying to be objective and is getting a bit daft.

What I've said about Trafford is simple. I don't think he was the right keeper for us to sign last summer, and I'd have expected Muric to start the season. I found both signing Trafford and giving him the jersey surprising and I'm not sure that history judges it a decision which has helped our chances of staying up this season. However, I do also think that (partly because he replaced a cult hero) his shortcomings have been overstated this season. I did defend his place in the team for a long period for that reason, but I also said several times, particularly latterly, that the time had come for a change. Those things are not inconsistent.

You may be correct about Muric's speed of distribution (although he conceded a goal at Everton by attempting to do precisely what you've criticised Trafford for doing) compared to Trafford, but Trafford is still someone who is regarded in the game as having very good distribution and having real potential. Whilst you might be right about the "English tax" (and quotas does make that a thing), we can't gloss over the fact he's been called into the England squad because he's regarded as having top class potential as a modern keeper who is comfortable in possession. The fact he was caught out at the beginning of this season whilst he grappled with moving up 2 divisions overnight at a young age, whilst trying to play a very ambitious brand of football - sorry, but that's not ground for writing Trafford off any more than it'd be right to write Muric off when he faced challenges at the beginning of last season (or indeed on the back of the Everton and Brighton games.

As for our record more recently, I don't think it proves anything. The run also coincides with us picking a slightly more robust team (no Amdouni, Vitinho right side or two physical centre forwards), having a settled centre back partnership and Cullen coming back into the team. We've also had a relatively kind run of games. They are all equally if not more likely factors - even if it was right to bring Muric back into the team and it may well have boosted the team by simply changing something (see Heaton for Hart a few years ago). At best it is one of several factors. and the idea it shows definitively we'd have not struggled this season is for the birds.

I'm not choosing between the two keepers. I think we've got two pretty saleable young assets who should be backed and supported, and I suspect one will be sold this summer and the other will need backing and support. I find the obsession with picking a side baffling. We'll be holding up "Team Muric" and "Team Trafford" scarves next. I'll hold up a Burnley one.

[mikeconroy10]

Ultimately any player is worth what another team is willing to pay for them, and if we look at goalkeepers signed by the big Prem teams, then £50mill seems about the going rate. Ederson, Alisson, Onana and Arrizabalaga all came to big Prem teams for close to that fee in the last 6 or 7 seasons. All came from foreign leagues too, so you could argue they had some extra risk that Muric doesn't have with regards to playing in the league and settling in the country.

A keeper like Muric is also worth more to these top teams than to a team like us thanks to his skillset. His general goalkeeping is decent enough but his ability with the ball at his feet is world class. I don't even imagine his 2 'howlers' for us would put them off because they were both freak occurrences that you get every now and then with a keeper. His just happened to come in consecutive games.

I said in my earlier post that he's a £50million+ goalkeeper but sadly I think he'll go on the cheap. The reason for that is that too many things will drag that fee down. Us being relegated. Him not playing the full season. Him wanting to stay in the Prem or just generally being upset with with being dropped from the team. The fact that the board might want to show a profit on a player sale for accounting purposes. Other teams could also be as puzzled as us as to why he was dropped and wonder if it's an attitude issue.

Assuming he does go, hopefully there's a bidding war. He could be a nice upgrade for a team like Arsenal or Chelsea. Even Newcastle or Spurs could be interested.

[NewClaret]

Muric worth £50 million quid?

He was at one of the top teams in the world until they sold him to us for £3 million.

Just shows how stupid Pep is....

Well he did sell Cole Palmer, which over the course of his career I reckon will prove to be a huge mistake even at £40m. Maybe Trafford too.

Of course Muric wasn’t worth £50m at City and isn’t now, because he hasn’t played at this level enough. My point is he could be in future.

If for example he played a whole year of getting in everyone’s team of the week and 8+ scores as he has been doing since he came back in.

I go back to my point that I wouldn’t swap him for Onana who is a £50m keeper. To become one though he’d need more PL game time, to cut the mistakes and a club or two that could afford him desperate for a new number 1.

[NewClaret]

Is Allison leaving?
Or Could it be Trafford replacing Kelleher, who is highly rated and should be a first choice somewhere.

Kelleher to be sold apparently, presumably wants to be number one.

Unless the whole story is just rubbish.

[boatshed bill]

Kelleher to be sold apparently, presumably wants to be number one.

Unless the whole story is just rubbish.

I think Kelleher wanted to move to Wolves, but the move was blocked by Liverpool.

[Darthlaw]

I go back to my point that I wouldn’t swap him for Onana who is a £50m keeper. To become one though he’d need more PL game time, to cut the mistakes and a club or two that could afford him desperate for a new number 1.

There are claret tinted spectacles and then there's preferring Muric to a GK who won the league & cup double twice in Holland (a total of three league titles), the coppa italia and been in teams which reached both the Uefa Cup final and Champions league final.

Behave.

[Anonymous Claret]

It is going to be interesting who we keep in the Summer. As others have mentioned I can't see us keeping both. There is a possibility we may not keep any of them.
Until recently I thought that bringing Muric back into the team wouldn't make any difference but I have been comprehensively wrong. Despite his 2 major howlers we are much better with him in the nets. He has made some decent saves, commanded his area and his distribution has been far superior to Trafford's. The defence also has far more confidence giving and receiving the ball. With Cullen also back in the side he does have more outlets when he has the ball.
I still think that Trafford will go onto have a great career and possibly be England's number in the future but at the moment Muric is streets ahead of him.
In hindsight Trafford should have been bedded in similar to Verbruggen at Brighton. Plenty called it on here so fair play to you all.

[AlargeClaret]

Not really a dilemma, but you’d have to expect a decent (ish) offer for Muric , ( though Trafford is only very slightly behind him) who along with Berge , Amdouni , AZ,MB, loans , old guard etc should bring us the required cash/wage release to keep and build a very strong champ XI

[NewClaret]

What you believe & what actually happens might not match. The club under the current administration don't have the will to dig their heels in & play the long game it will be very much let's make a profit & get the next 1 in. We will be led to believe that circumstantially it's unavoidable such as release clauses (which may be the case on occasions) I've got more faith in the club (in particular the owners) turning profit quickly for personal gain rather than investing back in for long term sustainability. I know how they are operate & my eyes are wide open to that.

Usually doesn’t.

My point was that had we not signed Trafford we’d likely now be £14m richer, sat pretty comfortably with another year of prem money secured and have a much higher valued asset in Muric. More than £10m anyway, not my £50m as that’s a ceiling vs a current valuation. Alan must be pretty fuming about that. A huge error.

Anyway, back to your point, it wouldn’t shock me if we’re forced to take some substandard offers in summer. I partly think that if ALK really want this model to work they’re going to have to be brutally tough in buying low and selling high. They are from trading backgrounds after all. But suspect that they may not be able to turn down reasonable offers to wait for the exceptional ones, just yet.

[boatshed bill]

I still think that Trafford will go onto have a great career and possibly be England's number in the future but at the moment Muric is streets ahead of him.

In a way this demontrates the polar opinions on here.
Muric may well be better for BFC right now, but he is not "streets ahead".
Both keepers have clearly visible weaknesses.
TBH, with all the bickering that's gone on this season over the goalkeepers I wouldn't mind if we sold both of them

[NewClaret]

There are claret tinted spectacles and then there's preferring Muric to a GK who won the league & cup double twice in Holland (a total of three league titles), the coppa italia and been in teams which reached both the Uefa Cup final and Champions league final.

Behave.

Not at all. I agree he’s had a successful career but also doesn’t look any better than Muric to me either on the ball or with his broader keeping. United fans very mixed reviews. I would not swap at all. Would you?

I agree that the club he came from plays a role in securing the maximum valuation but I think with a year or two performing at an excellent level in the prem it would even out. Arguably being proven in the same league is more important than in Europe, and particularly Italy, where the game is a lot slower.

[Jakubclaret]

Usually doesn’t.

My point was that had we not signed Trafford we’d likely now be £14m richer, sat pretty comfortably with another year of prem money secured and have a much higher valued asset in Muric. More than £10m anyway, not my £50m as that’s a ceiling vs a current valuation. Alan must be pretty fuming about that. A huge error.

Anyway, back to your point, it wouldn’t shock me if we’re forced to take some substandard offers in summer. I partly think that if ALK really want this model to work they’re going to have to be brutally tough in buying low and selling high. They are from trading backgrounds after all. But suspect that they may not be able to turn down reasonable offers to wait for the exceptional ones, just yet.

If he's fuming it's his own doing for getting his pants pulled down & as for muric being worth £50mil I'm not sure how that's being projected on the back of 7 top flight games where he's failed to keep a clean sheet & apart from man u & Chelsea the quality of opposition hasn't been that vast most have been plodding midtable to lower placed sides & 1 at the rock bottom.

[ClaretPete001]

Well he did sell Cole Palmer, which over the course of his career I reckon will prove to be a huge mistake even at £40m. Maybe Trafford too.

Of course Muric wasn’t worth £50m at City and isn’t now, because he hasn’t played at this level enough. My point is he could be in future.

If for example he played a whole year of getting in everyone’s team of the week and 8+ scores as he has been doing since he came back in.

I go back to my point that I wouldn’t swap him for Onana who is a £50m keeper. To become one though he’d need more PL game time, to cut the mistakes and a club or two that could afford him desperate for a new number 1.

I agree, he has dramatically changed the play because he hits a longer ball more accurately, which speeds up the play and I've rarely seen even outfield players ping a ball like he can. So, yes I get your point he could become a top goalkeeper and looks (at this point) much more likely than Trafford.

BUT (and it's a big but) he has played 5 games and dropped two huge rickers. And VK clearly doesn't rate him or didn't so I'm not sure how the non-Claret world would view it. My guess is not as idealistically as we do.

[Darthlaw]

Whilst I think you’re of course working in hindsight, I think if we start the season with the option of either Onana in goals for BFC or Muric, Onana is the choice all day long.

As it stands Onana has had a mixed season with some highs and lows (strangely as most GK’s in the top teams have had this season).

Muric has played 7 games and had 5 great games whilst also directly costing us 3 points, sadly blotting his copybook and his transfer value at the same time.

I asked in February why no one came in for Muric and potentially he has answered that.

[Jakubclaret]

Whilst I think you’re of course working in hindsight, I think if we start the season with the option of either Onana in goals for BFC or Muric, Onana is the choice all day long.

As it stands Onana has had a mixed season with some highs and lows (strangely as most GK’s in the top teams have had this season).

Muric has played 7 games and had 5 great games whilst also directly costing us 3 points, sadly blotting his copybook and his transfer value at the same time.

I asked in February why no one came in for Muric and potentially he has answered that.

It's 4pts unfortunately if you paused the live games before the errors you are beating Brighton 3pts & drawing everton 1pt.

[Darthlaw]

It's 4pts unfortunately if you paused the live games before the errors you are beating Brighton 3pts & drawing everton 1pt.

Check your calculator ain’t broken, Jakub.

We took a point from those games, sooooo

[boatshed bill]

It's 4pts unfortunately if you paused the live games before the errors you are beating Brighton 3pts & drawing everton 1pt.

This is correct.
And it's the nature of the errors that is cause for some concern.

[Jakubclaret]

Check your calculator ain’t broken, Jakub.

We took a point from those games, sooooo

It's the state of play where we was before the errors occurred that's accountable. It's not error mitigation that we scored before conceding against Brighton.

[boatshed bill]

It's the state of play where we was before the errors occurred that's accountable. It's not error mitigation that we scored before conceding against Brighton.

Actually you and I are wrong, aren't we?

[Darthlaw]

So we were beating Brighton (3 points) before Muric’s error converted that to 1.

And we were drawing with Everton (1 point) before Muric’s error converted that to 0.

And you think he cost us 4 points?

Get the abacus out Jakub. Boatsheds figured it out

[boatshed bill]

So we were beating Brighton (3 points) before Muric’s error converted that to 1.

And we were drawing with Everton (1 point) before Muric’s error converted that to 0.

And you think he cost us 4 points?

Get the abacus out Jakub. Boatsheds figured it out

Feels like 4, but it's not.

[Jakubclaret]

So we were beating Brighton (3 points) before Muric’s error converted that to 1.

And we were drawing with Everton (1 point) before Muric’s error converted that to 0.

And you think he cost us 4 points?

Get the abacus out Jakub. Boatsheds figured it out

It's freezing things before the errors occured. We was beating Brighton 3pts & drawing Everton 1pt 3+1=4. Without them errors we are 4 pts better off.

[Darthlaw]

I think we’ve found the individual who decides how many points teams get deducted, people.

[Bordeauxclaret]

It’s continuing these bizarre arguments when you are clearly wrong which marks you out as ablues latest character.

[boatshed bill]

He will argue his point(?) all night if you let him