Moyes

[burnleymik]

Moyes is old school. A great manager over his years, but surely not the direction we now want to go in.

[pushpinpussy]

I thought this was common knowledge. i did say i would say no more, but he has met Pace this week.

[NewClaret]

Moyes is old school. A great manager over his years, but surely not the direction we now want to go in.

For this reason I’d be surprised if we go for him.

If it’s true he lives locally then maybe we’re an option for him.

But a steady and experienced hand might be what we need right now.

[morninbob]

For this reason I’d be surprised if we go for him.

If it’s true he lives locally then maybe we’re an option for him.

But a steady and experienced hand might be what we need right now.

Lives in Lytham.

[alwaysaclaret]

For this reason I’d be surprised if we go for him.

If it’s true he lives locally then maybe we’re an option for him.

But a steady and experienced hand might be what we need right now.

Has a bit of everything we need in the position we're in right now, very experienced manager, will recognise the talent we have, and is experienced enough to steady the ship and take us back up next season. We have to realise that vk has not left an easy situation that any manager could walk in to, we need experience. Granted he may not play the vk way but that's not been very successful this season has it, moyes can put he's own stamp on and take us forward imo.

[taio]

If Moyes would be interested, which I guess would be unlikely, we should definitely try to get him.

[claretspice]

I have my doubts about Moyes style wise. Over the years he's evolved into a manager whose sides sit deep and counter punch (although that's not the way he started at Preston). That's pretty much the opposite of the way we are set up to play.

One caveat though. I've just put on another thread that one of his assistants at West Ham might be an interesting left field proposition- Jonny Heitinga who comes from a much more familiar creed at Ajax. Bring those two in as a ticket and that might be the best of both worlds. The price tag might be prohibitive though.

[Rileybobs]

I think short term pragmatism has to come before long term vision as things stand. We need an instant return to the Premier League with a view to staying up next time. It’s hard to argue that Moyes wouldn’t be a very good choice to do that. An initial 2 year deal could suit both parties.

And in terms of the long term vision, perhaps Pace and co will be rethinking this slightly having seen what’s come to pass. They may realise that a balance of pragmatism and attractive football is more likely to keep you up with the big boys, and that taking a more considered approach to transfers is more likely to give a return on investment.

[123EasyasBFC]

People talking about Moyes pragmatic style are forgetting that is in the premier league, if Moyes was in the championship with West Ham he wouldn’t be playing that way

[Goliath]

I thought this was common knowledge. i did say i would say no more, but he has met Pace this week.

We are searching for a new manager. I'm sure Pace has met and spoken to numerous people about the role.

[Rileybobs]

People talking about Moyes pragmatic style are forgetting that is in the premier league, if Moyes was in the championship with West Ham he wouldn’t be playing that way

True, but that’s what pragmatism is.

[123EasyasBFC]

True, but that’s what pragmatism is.

Yes he has the pragmatism for what’s needed for the league he is in

[claretspice]

I think short term pragmatism has to come before long term vision as things stand. We need an instant return to the Premier League with a view to staying up next time. It’s hard to argue that Moyes wouldn’t be a very good choice to do that. An initial 2 year deal could suit both parties.

And in terms of the long term vision, perhaps Pace and co will be rethinking this slightly having seen what’s come to pass. They may realise that a balance of pragmatism and attractive football is more likely to keep you up with the big boys, and that taking a more considered approach to transfers is more likely to give a return on investment.

I agree with much of this and the need for someone to hit the ground running. But this squad is set up to play almost the opposite way to the way Moyes has typically had success, and we will need thr new man to be capable of maximising the potential in this squad rather than starting from scratch. Its also fair to say that the last time Moyes had to deal with the challenge of aiming for 2 points again was almost a quarter of a century ago at Preston - with the exception of one season at United where he failed. His counter punching style based on sitting deep has worked fine when finishing 5th or 6th has been a great achievement but we will have a different challenge next season.

I'm not opposed to Moyes - and as I say paired with someone like Heitinga who is comfortable coaching a more expansive style, it might be a best of all worlds package - but I don't think it's given that because he's had undoubted success with Premier League underdogs like Everton and West Ham, he'd be a success with this squad in the Championship when the demand is 2 points a game from day one. And he's an expensive option. My own view is that Steve Cooper is a better option.

[burnleymik]

West Ham had a decent amount of spending and some good players, but the style killed it for the fans.

He was renowned for boring football, wasting money and never playing the youth. It was the same 12-13 players every single time. not exactly ideal with our squad size.

We have already been there and done that (apart from wasting money because before VK we never had any to really spend!).

This is what one of the fan groups said near the end:

"We are aware of how it looks from the outside," Gonzo, from the Hammers Chat fan group told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"A lot of us are very grateful for three seasons in Europe, there is no doubt about that.

"The trouble is, in a very short space of time we have moved from a 34,000-capacity stadium to one where we regularly get 55,000, and which could increase to 66,000. David Moyes has spent roughly £450m and a lot of the frustration comes from the fact he still relies on 12 to 13 players.

"A lot of money has been wasted over that time and he really struggles to spend money on a striker. Sebastien Haller - £45m. Gianluca Scamacca - £35m. We have relied so much on Michail Antonio. Only recently have we felt that without Michail we can start to do something.

"You also have a situation where West Ham has the best crop of young players it has had for a very long time; we won the FA Youth Cup, are second in Premier League 2, are unbeaten in the Premier League International Cup.

"It is a bunch of 17 and 18-year-olds who are beating not only 21-year-olds but adult teams in the EFL Trophy (West Ham are one of two Premier League teams left in the competition and play Wycombe in the last-16 next month). But he doesn't give youngsters a chance.

"Sometimes we can have a whole half of football and not have a shot on target. Things like that feed into it. The London Stadium is a long way from the pitch. You need a brand of football that can really encourage noise in there.

"It is hard to watch. It is not even two banks of four. It is a four and a five. We don't attack. But he is doing really well at the moment. I can't explain it more than that."

[Rileybobs]

I agree with much of this and the need for someone to hit the ground running. But this squad is set up to play almost the opposite way to the way Moyes has typically had success, and we will need thr new man to be capable of maximising the potential in this squad rather than starting from scratch. Its also fair to say that the last time Moyes had to deal with the challenge of aiming for 2 points again was almost a quarter of a century ago at Preston - with the exception of one season at United where he failed. His counter punching style based on sitting deep has worked fine when finishing 5th or 6th has been a great achievement but we will have a different challenge next season.

Yes, this is definitely a factor. Although this side has been set up to play unsuccessfully in the opposite way to which Moyes has had success. Maybe the style of play needs a rethink, and maybe with a few key additions there are players within the squad capable of doing that, particularly in the Championship. I'm not talking about going from a 70% in-possession team (in the Champ) to a 30% in-possession team, but equally I wouldn't expect Moyes to have played such a system in the Championship. If you have better players than the opposition you have more chance of winning by dominating the ball, if you don't have the better players you are better served to be more pragmatic, which is why the likes of Moyes and Dyche have proven success at punching above their weight.

[claretspice]

Yes, this is definitely a factor. Although this side has been set up to play unsuccessfully in the opposite way to which Moyes has had success. Maybe the style of play needs a rethink, and maybe with a few key additions there are players within the squad capable of doing that, particularly in the Championship. I'm not talking about going from a 70% in-possession team (in the Champ) to a 30% in-possession team, but equally I wouldn't expect Moyes to have played such a system in the Championship. If you have better players than the opposition you have more chance of winning by dominating the ball, if you don't have the better players you are better served to be more pragmatic, which is why the likes of Moyes and Dyche have proven success at punching above their weight.

The flaw in that though is that he struggled to adapt at United.

[Commy]

Didn't Everton play high tempo attacking football under him? I am sure I used to enjoy their matches when he was in charge because they attacked.

[helmclaret]

Moyes would be the wrong option for me.

We need someone who is happy working with a very young squad. And someone who has a point to prove.

[Rileybobs]

The flaw in that though is that he struggled to adapt at United.

True, but quite a different situation to compare. Moyes isn't the perfect candidate, but he's probably the most qualified that we have any chance of getting. I don't envy Pace having to make this decision because it's critical he gets it right.

[helmclaret]

I’d love to be the one making the decision!

We’ve got a strong (but bloated) squad and it could be the start of a really good few years for us.

[RVclaret]

Moyes represents a proper flip flop of strategy and would suggest ALK and Pace have no direction. I wouldn’t be happy with this and hope they stay aligned with the chosen vision. Time to get Kjetil Knutsen out of Bodo Glimt.

[Rileybobs]

I’d love to be the one making the decision!

We’ve got a strong (but bloated) squad and it could be the start of a really good few years for us.

There's a great opportunity there for someone, but the club seems to be in a precarious position on and off the field so it's a hugely important decision to make.

Who would your choice be?

[helmclaret]

Steve Cooper. He knows both divisions and got a team up.

I feel like he’d be really fired up too.

[Quicknick]

Moyes represents a proper flip flop of strategy and would suggest ALK and Pace have no direction. I wouldn’t be happy with this and hope they stay aligned with the chosen vision. Time to get Kjetil Knutsen out of Bodo Glimt.

What do you actually know about Knutsen? I'd much rather have Moyes. I don't think ALK or Pace have a football vision as they don't seem to understand football.

[taio]

Moyes represents a proper flip flop of strategy and would suggest ALK and Pace have no direction. I wouldn’t be happy with this and hope they stay aligned with the chosen vision. Time to get Kjetil Knutsen out of Bodo Glimt.

It would suggest that Pace can be agile, is prepared to learning lessons and find a better balance in implementing his strategy. Above all else, his principle objective will be getting promoted to the premier league.

[DCWat]

What do you actually know about Knutsen? I'd much rather have Moyes. I don't think ALK or Pace have a football vision as they don't seem to understand football.

The apparent wish to take on other clubs suggests that they do want to continue to buy potential, build it up and move it on at a profit.

That they don’t understand football (I completely agree) is all the more reason that we need someone above the manager with a good football pedigree.

Knutsen has a great record but he would represent a calculated gamble. I think I’d rather that to Moyes (and that’s not a criticism of Moyes) as I don’t think he’s the right solution for what we need.

The pickings seem quite slim considering we need someone that can work with young players, develop them and at the same time, sort out the current mess whilst needing to get us promoted inside two years, ideally one.

I’m not convinced by Cooper but he seems to tick a few more boxes.

[agreenwood]

I’m not keen on us setting on an old school pragmatist, but I’d make an exception for Moyes.

[NewClaret]

Steve Cooper. He knows both divisions and got a team up.

I feel like he’d be really fired up too.

I can’t imagine Steve Cooper fired up.

Would have to knock the pot on the head and hit the pills I think…

[RVclaret]

What do you actually know about Knutsen? I'd much rather have Moyes. I don't think ALK or Pace have a football vision as they don't seem to understand football.

I know he’s taken Bodo (a very small town team) from the bottom reaches of Norway’s top division to 4 out of the last 5 titles, so he’s used to winning. Regular ventures into Europe, beating Celtic home and away (outplayed them at Celtic Park). They also beat Mourinho’s Roma 6-1 at home and 2-0 away. Was on Brighton’s two man short list before they appointed De Zerbi and they don’t miss. 4-3-3 system, high press, front foot football - a good fit for the profile of this squad. Happy to mix youth with experience. Experience of having to sell his best players season after season and know how to replace on a low budget. I think people are going towards Moyes as he’s a known name, plays similar football to Dyche and would give them some safety.

As for your second point, that seems a tad harsh - Pace wants supporters to enjoy the football they are watching & has openly stated he wants the club to be a place young players want to join. The development of youth, with the odd sale here and there, would ultimately, and ideally, lead to more stability in the PL if it’s done right (which this season clearly it wasn’t).

[NewClaret]

Lives in Lytham.

Cheers. Nice place.

I’d not be massively against a steady hand like his now. Can also see RV’s point though.

[Marney&Mee]

Cheers. Nice place.

I’d not be massively against a steady hand like his now. Can also see RV’s point though.

Colin Hendry’s old house

[dougcollins]

I hardly see the relevance of where Moyes lives.

Is it only Burnley fans with this parochial fixation?

[claretspice]

The apparent wish to take on other clubs suggests that they do want to continue to buy potential, build it up and move it on at a profit.

That they don’t understand football (I completely agree) is all the more reason that we need someone above the manager with a good football pedigree.

Knutsen has a great record but he would represent a calculated gamble. I think I’d rather that to Moyes (and that’s not a criticism of Moyes) as I don’t think he’s the right solution for what we need.

The pickings seem quite slim considering we need someone that can work with young players, develop them and at the same time, sort out the current mess whilst needing to get us promoted inside two years, ideally one.

I’m not convinced by Cooper but he seems to tick a few more boxes.

I find the ambivalence towards Cooper interesting. He's got an absolutely outstanding record in the Championship (1 promotion from absolutely nowhere and 2 play off appearances in 3 seasons, each of which exceeded expectations), kept Forest up despite off field interventions, and a CV based upon loads of experience of working with young players and improving them. And a commitment to passing football. There's a lot to like there.

[taio]

I know he’s taken Bodo (a very small town team) from the bottom reaches of Norway’s top division to 4 out of the last 5 titles, so he’s used to winning. Regular ventures into Europe, beating Celtic home and away (outplayed them at Celtic Park). They also beat Mourinho’s Roma 6-1 at home and 2-0 away. Was on Brighton’s two man short list before they appointed De Zerbi and they don’t miss. 4-3-3 system, high press, front foot football - a good fit for the profile of this squad. Happy to mix youth with experience. Experience of having to sell his best players season after season and know how to replace on a low budget. I think people are going towards Moyes as he’s a known name, plays similar football to Dyche and would give them some safety.

As for your second point, that seems a tad harsh - Pace wants supporters to enjoy the football they are watching & has openly stated he wants the club to be a place young players want to join. The development of youth, with the odd sale here and there, would ultimately, and ideally, lead to more stability in the PL if it’s done right (which this season clearly it wasn’t).

I would certainly hope Pace recognises there are lessons that can be learned. How is that harsh?

[RVclaret]

I would certainly hope Pace recognises there are lessons that can be learned. How is that harsh?

Was referring to ‘not having a clue about football’ and ‘no vision’.

[DCWat]

I find the ambivalence towards Cooper interesting. He's got an absolutely outstanding record in the Championship (1 promotion from absolutely nowhere and 2 play off appearances in 3 seasons, each of which exceeded expectations), kept Forest up despite off field interventions, and a CV based upon loads of experience of working with young players and improving them. And a commitment to passing football. There's a lot to like there.

Fair comments, Spice. I did come across that way, but didn’t mean to really - of the names linked so far, I agree that there are a lot of positives with Cooper.

[helmclaret]

I hardly see the relevance of where Moyes lives.

Is it only Burnley fans with this parochial fixation?

People who work in football are rarely at home anyway!

Makes me laugh the old comment ‘lives locally, knows the area.’

Moyes has lived in a flat Canary Wharf for the majority of the last few years.

[elwaclaret]

People who work in football are rarely at home anyway!

Makes me laugh the old comment ‘lives locally, knows the area.’

Moyes has lived in a flat Canary Wharf for the majority of the last few years.

Quite right and SD worked from home, mainly. Very few people enjoy working away from home, it is something you do from necessity… I’m certainly not against Cooper but for me David Moyes would bring a grown up back to the club… one who would not instantly have itchy feet because he achieves a bit of success… and if the long term strategy of Pace’s is to work it needs consistency and someone not using the club just as a stepping stone/shop window. Three or four years working the same job and building a strong foundation back up I think would both suit and appeal to David Moyes who has seen there are very few loyal clubs out there.

[CoolClaret]

Genuinely can't believe that there's people on here turning their nose up at Moyes after the season we've just had.

Moyes represents a proper flip flop of strategy and would suggest ALK and Pace have no direction. I wouldn’t be happy with this and hope they stay aligned with the chosen vision. Time to get Kjetil Knutsen out of Bodo Glimt.

I'd suggest after putting up our worst ever top flight points tally, with our highest ever expenditure then a slight change or if you want to call it a 'flip flop' might actually be wise.

Y'all really need to stop watching TifoFootball and following Tacticos on twitter.

[IanMcL]

Mr Moyes. Come and sort us out please!

[Vegas Claret]

Some of it might get dictated by the financials, Moyes won't come cheap, would he work for what Kompany did in the Championship given his level and status ?

[taio]

Some of it might get dictated by the financials, Moyes won't come cheap, would he work for what Kompany did in the Championship given his level and status ?

I doubt he'd come for what Kompany earned in the Premier League and that's before considering whether he'd drop down to the championship

[randomclaret2]

People who work in football are rarely at home anyway!

Makes me laugh the old comment ‘lives locally, knows the area.’

Moyes has lived in a flat Canary Wharf for the majority of the last few years.

Maybe , now in his 60s, he'd like to work closer to his home ? ...just a thought...

[Vegas Claret]

I doubt he'd come for what Kompany earned in the Premier League and that's before considering whether he'd drop down to the championship

that would be my feeling as well tbh.

[Casper2]

Moyes would be a disaster, doesn’t bond with his players , Pace wouldn’t employ him anyway.

[CoolClaret]

Moyes would be a disaster, doesn’t bond with his players , Pace wouldn’t employ him anyway.

Aye alright then

[Clovius Boofus]

I hardly see the relevance of where Moyes lives.

Is it only Burnley fans with this parochial fixation?

Some are stuck in the age of turnpike roads and the canal barge.

[Casper2]

Aye alright then

Brilliant a photo with a player who left the club , well thought out , like all your posts

[Row Z]

Brilliant a photo with a player who left the club , well thought out , like all your posts

Clueless post.

£100m+ transfer fee for a player who spoke very highly of David Moyes:

https://onefootball.com/en/news/declan- ... s-38193288

[Elizabeth]

I shouldn't feel happy but I do at Kompany's departure. We are only allowed so much happiness so I don't expect my wish for Moyes to be the next manager to come true