Jeff Hendrick

[CoolClaret]

Did we get both Hendrick and Marney from Hull ?

We got Jeff Hendrick from Derby. He was on decent money there as well I believe.

[spt_claret]

He certainly wasn't a no 10, and he looked out of place at times, but when Dyche explained that his role was to pick up the second ball and recycle it, it all made sense. It suddenly became obvious what a good job Hendrick was doing for us.

Dyche at his best was very much a student of Italian and German football for all the Brexit goofball tag he unfairly got. He was doing gegenpresse before it was a trend, played essentially catenaccio with modern pressing and counter attack, Arfield played as a mezzala quite often, Hendrick was being used during that period as a false 10 - think Montolivo for Italy at Euro 2012. Wasn't a conventional attacking midfielder or deep forward, didn't always get the credit he deserved because of his unusual role but he did it well.

I for one was sad to see Hendrick go and always liked him. Could do a lot worse in the Championship but theres no chance he doesn't fit the profile.

[Goliath]

Two totally different players but Marney was another vital player in the first promotion and then again until he got his second ACL.

He had become really vital to us by the time of that I jury. We had no replacement. Was a shame because he was one of the ones that had really taken well to premier league football

[Goliath]

Dyche at his best was very much a student of Italian and German football for all the Brexit goofball tag he unfairly got. He was doing gegenpresse before it was a trend, played essentially catenaccio with modern pressing and counter attack, Arfield played as a mezzala quite often, Hendrick was being used during that period as a false 10 - think Montolivo for Italy at Euro 2012. Wasn't a conventional attacking midfielder or deep forward, didn't always get the credit he deserved because of his unusual role but he did it well.

I for one was sad to see Hendrick go and always liked him. Could do a lot worse in the Championship but theres no chance he doesn't fit the profile.

I'm a big fan of Dyche but this is really pushing it. I'm not sure he watches much foreign football at all, he's basically said so himself. I think he's very much a follower of Clough and Ferguson, playing with a very flat 4 in midfield and then varies between 2 strikers or a proper number 10.

[spt_claret]

I'm a big fan of Dyche but this is really pushing it. I'm not sure he watches much foreign football at all, he's basically said so himself. I think he's very much a follower of Clough and Ferguson, playing with a very flat 4 in midfield and then varies between 2 strikers or a proper number 10.

Catennacio is a deep lying, compact, direct system with an assymetrical 442/4411. That's exactly what we played under Dyche from 2016-18, Boyd played the up down bombing right wideman, Arfield a tucked in left mezzala, Barnes or Hendrick the link man, Wood the focal striker. We had a right back sitting deep swinging crosses in Lowton, an overlapping box to box left back in Taylor or Pieters or Ward. Dyche also in his own words spoke about studying German pressing back in 2014. Vokes/Gray played a more traditional British style with the strike duo, Gudmundsson, Brady and McNeil played the more 90s wide man role.
Not all 442s are the same, as we have seen this past season when Kompany played 442. Dyche didn't always play the exact same tactics, I honestly put the 23 Undefeated through to European qualification season up there as the best football I've ever seen at Burnley because it was so well oiled, well drilled, efficient and tactically sharp. He didn't reinvent the wheel or play anything complex or trendy but it was so incredibly well structured.

[Goliath]

Catennacio is a deep lying, compact, direct system with an assymetrical 442/4411. That's exactly what we played under Dyche from 2016-18, Boyd played the up down bombing right wideman, Arfield a tucked in left mezzala, Barnes or Hendrick the link man, Wood the focal striker. We had a right back sitting deep swinging crosses in Lowton, an overlapping box to box left back in Taylor or Pieters or Ward. Dyche also in his own words spoke about studying German pressing back in 2014. Vokes/Gray played a more traditional British style with the strike duo, Gudmundsson, Brady and McNeil played the more 90s wide man role.
Not all 442s are the same, as we have seen this past season when Kompany played 442. Dyche didn't always play the exact same tactics, I honestly put the 23 Undefeated through to European qualification season up there as the best football I've ever seen at Burnley because it was so well oiled, well drilled, efficient and tactically sharp. He didn't reinvent the wheel or play anything complex or trendy but it was so incredibly well structured.

He played a fairly basic well organised direct 442 or 4411. The most rigid part being the defensive framework meaning the wingers had to be incredibly hardworking and become basically wing backs.
I think you're really overcomplicating it using the Italian terminology. It might have some similarities but I'm pretty sure It wasn't the inspiration for the system.
It was a very traditional British 442, with a variation in pressing high or low depending on oppostion

[CoolClaret]

He played a fairly basic well organised direct 442 or 4411. The most rigid part being the defensive framework meaning the wingers had to be incredibly hardworking and become basically wing backs.
I think you're really overcomplicating it using the Italian terminology. It might have some similarities but I'm pretty sure It wasn't the inspiration for the system.
It was a very traditional British 442, with a variation in pressing high or low depending on oppostion

I think that you'll find that there's a lot more detail and nuance in Dyche's tactics than you're suggesting.

I read an article after Everton beat Liverpool - the data showed that Liverpool were/are very vulnerable in defending set pieces from middle areas of the pitch... So what did Sean do?

He had his players in midfield dribble and drive with the ball more and tried to gain as many fouls centrally from Liverpool... and guess what- they ended up scoring a set piece from it, one where they properly screened VVD out and did a job on them.

He's a bloody good 'un is Sean and he's a far better manager than VK or any of the names that we've been strongly linked with so far.

[Goliath]

I think that you'll find that there's a lot more detail and nuance in Dyche's tactics than you're suggesting.

I read an article after Everton beat Liverpool - the data showed that Liverpool were/are very vulnerable in defending set pieces from middle areas of the pitch... So what did Sean do?

He had his players in midfield dribble and drive with the ball more and tried to gain as many fouls centrally from Liverpool... and guess what- they ended up scoring a set piece from it, one where they properly screened VVD out and did a job on them.

He's a bloody good 'un is Sean and he's a far better manager than VK or any of the names that we've been strongly linked with so far.

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of Dyche and I fully agree that he's underestimated. But I think he'd have a laugh himself at the use of all the Italian terminology to explain his tactics.

[spt_claret]

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of Dyche and I fully agree that he's underestimated. But I think he'd have a laugh himself at the use of all the Italian terminology to explain his tactics.

Its not that fancy terminology and again he spoke about studying German pressing. Seriously have a read up on this stuff and on the slightly more specific positions you get in some national leagues. Rouwen Hennings is an example of one that didn't quite work for us, we used him as a more orthodox #10/deep forward when from what I've seen of him both in terms of what he naturally wanted to do for us and did do in Germany his inclination was more a very Germanic offset half and half and half- Think Schurrle, Muller, Podolski, occupying a grey zone between striker, winger and midfielder. We didn't set up for that so he wasn't so good for us. But in terms of successful styles, Arfield often played very narrow for a wide man, I didn't even learn the term mezzala til later but it perfectly describes the role he played. Dyche might have this image of a gruff dour worm eater and he might even cultivate that image at times but he's very savvy. I'd be absolutely amazed if he's not studied a few Italian managers, if only because Italy were built on defensive football for decades.

[Goliath]

Its not that fancy terminology and again he spoke about studying German pressing. Seriously have a read up on this stuff and on the slightly more specific positions you get in some national leagues. Rouwen Hennings is an example of one that didn't quite work for us, we used him as a more orthodox #10/deep forward when from what I've seen of him both in terms of what he naturally wanted to do for us and did do in Germany his inclination was more a very Germanic offset half and half and half- Think Schurrle, Muller, Podolski, occupying a grey zone between striker, winger and midfielder. We didn't set up for that so he wasn't so good for us. But in terms of successful styles, Arfield often played very narrow for a wide man, I didn't even learn the term mezzala til later but it perfectly describes the role he played. Dyche might have this image of a gruff dour worm eater and he might even cultivate that image at times but he's very savvy. I'd be absolutely amazed if he's not studied a few Italian managers, if only because Italy were built on defensive football for decades.

I'm aware of the different roles, I just seriously doubt Dyche was inspired by them. I genuinely think he just found good hard working pros that he could fit into his 442 or 4411 template within the budget he was given, hence the lurch from an Arfield to a Brady, two very different types of player from.the left hand side.

[NottsClaret]

Not Hendrick at the age and mileage he is now, but in his pomp - when we had him - he's probably something we needed last season. A big, athletic unit who could get around the pitch. The team he played in would have absolutely destroyed our powder puff nonsense of 2023/24.