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[Blyclaret]

Why didn’t you ask him when you witnessed him “perking up” ?

Have a nice day too

[claretonthecoast1882]

I would love to know what the exact injury or illness Tresor had or has. He has been out at least 6 months now. He seemed to perk up quickly when the french club was interested in in during the transfer window. A decision must be made quickly about this guy. Get him playing or get him out.

What did he do differently that showed he perked up ?

[Blyclaret]

The things ye guys comment on. Not that hes been out for 6 months or that we have probably paid him a quarter million in wages ….or his disinterest at getting fit and playing for Burnley …

[claretonthecoast1882]

The things ye guys comment on. Not that hes been out for 6 months or that we have probably paid him a quarter million in wages ….or his disinterest at getting fit and playing for Burnley …

Does this disinterest apply to Beyer and Redmond too ?

Again can you explain how he perked up and also where anybody at the club has said he has shown a disinterest at getting fit. Making stuff up doesnt mean it is true.

[Ric_C]

To answer the people jumping down Blyclaret's throat for some reason

Tresor was straight on instagram with memes about being unhappy his move fell through late in the window.

Since then he's turned into a ghost again.

[claretonthecoast1882]

To answer the people jumping down Blyclaret's throat for some reason

Tresor was straight on instagram with memes about being unhappy his move fell through late in the window.

Since then he's turned into a ghost again.

Nobody is jumping down his throat but this is the same poster who has claimed if a player gets injured playing for Burnley and is out injured he should have his wages docked, those who aren't selected by the manager should also have their pay reduced. Pretty poor comments regarding Foster's mental health issues as well, so no surprise if anyone questions him when he says things like perked up.

[RVclaret]

Since then he's turned into a ghost again.

He’s been on every single weekly training gallery posted by the club? He was also on a video they posted on instagram recently have a laugh with some other players playing a ‘guess who’ game. TurfCast tweeted recently he’d been told Tresor has been looking ‘very good’ in training.

[Big Vinny K]

To answer the people jumping down Blyclaret's throat for some reason

Tresor was straight on instagram with memes about being unhappy his move fell through late in the window.

Since then he's turned into a ghost again.

Nobody is doing that.
If Tresor was unhappy about his move falling through how does that make him any different to all those players who left the club ?

There are very few players (if any) who would choose to stay at Burnley or any other club if they get the chance to leave and improve their terms. From that respect Tresor is no different to every other player at our club.

The difference with Tresor which leads to fans making stuff up or assuming things about him is that he cost a lot of money and we have had very little or no return from him on the pitch. But we can add a number of players to that list who have either left us or are still at the club.

[Blyclaret]

Nobody is jumping down his throat but this is the same poster who has claimed if a player gets injured playing for Burnley and is out injured he should have his wages docked, those who aren't selected by the manager should also have their pay reduced. Pretty poor comments regarding Foster's mental health issues as well, so no surprise if anyone questions him when he says things like perked up.

I never mentioned Fosters mental health issues. Get your facts right.

[NewClaret]

Nobody is jumping down his throat but this is the same poster who has claimed if a player gets injured playing for Burnley and is out injured he should have his wages docked, those who aren't selected by the manager should also have their pay reduced. Pretty poor comments regarding Foster's mental health issues as well, so no surprise if anyone questions him when he says things like perked up.

Just on this point, all players wages are heavily subsidised by bonus’ for being in the Matchday squad, team, then win and performance bonus’ so naturally players not playing are paid far less.

Has the benefit of meaning we pay injured and under performing players way less but also means that players not in the team want out so they can earn more elsewhere. Which was probably a frustration of Tresor’s last season and a fairly understandable one if Kompany sold him the club on the basis that he’d have a bigger role in the team and therefore more earning potential.

[NewClaret]

Nobody is doing that.
If Tresor was unhappy about his move falling through how does that make him any different to all those players who left the club ?

There are very few players (if any) who would choose to stay at Burnley or any other club if they get the chance to leave and improve their terms. From that respect Tresor is no different to every other player at our club.

The difference with Tresor which leads to fans making stuff up or assuming things about him is that he cost a lot of money and we have had very little or no return from him on the pitch. But we can add a number of players to that list who have either left us or are still at the club.

Agree with your point and I think that there’s probably a few in the side playing regularly that wanted a move in summer if possible - Trafford, Koleosho and Foster would be my guesses.

For that reason, I have no issue whatsoever with Tresor being brought back in to the team, particularly if he looks good in training and if he’s going to help us score goals we’re lacking.

In his welcome interview Tresor said that Kompany played a big role in persuading him to come to the club. According to his agent he had “the biggest clubs in Italy and clubs in Spain” after him.

Kompany seemed excellent at that. I can’t imagine Parker being quite so persuasive (maybe a good thing as really the players should be coming to play for the club, not him) but again you can understand why his departure would be a big factor in those sought-after players he ‘convinced’ to join now wanting to leave.

What I’m not a fan of is the social media games these guys play. Trafford knew what he was doing, as did he with his posts. It’s pathetic and I hope the club have warned/fined them accordingly.

€18m was the reported fee, with only the first chunk paid. If he plays and contributes to taking us up - Anthony not really looking the part yet - with the sort of numbers he delivered in Belgium, he’d repay that in a season. I think we’ll have had big clauses to ensure that sum is only paid if he’s a success and wouldn’t shock me if it reduced on relegation, but the only way I see us getting anything like that back at the moment is if he plays and does well for us.

[wilks_bfc]

Agree with your point and I think that there’s probably a few in the side playing regularly that wanted a move in summer if possible - Trafford, Koleosho and Foster would be my guesses.

For that reason, I have no issue whatsoever with Tresor being brought back in to the team, particularly if he looks good in training and if he’s going to help us score goals we’re lacking.

In his welcome interview Tresor said that Kompany played a big role in persuading him to come to the club. According to his agent he had “the biggest clubs in Italy and clubs in Spain” after him.

Kompany seemed excellent at that. I can’t imagine Parker being quite so persuasive (maybe a good thing as really the players should be coming to play for the club, not him) but again you can understand why his departure would be a big factor in those sought-after players he ‘convinced’ to join now wanting to leave.

What I’m not a fan of is the social media games these guys play. Trafford knew what he was doing, as did he with his posts. It’s pathetic and I hope the club have warned/fined them accordingly.

€18m was the reported fee, with only the first chunk paid. If he plays and contributes to taking us up - Anthony not really looking the part yet - with the sort of numbers he delivered in Belgium, he’d repay that in a season. I think we’ll have had big clauses to ensure that sum is only paid if he’s a success and wouldn’t shock me if it reduced on relegation, but the only way I see us getting anything like that back at the moment is if he plays and does well for us.

Didn’t we hear in MtB2 that some players wanted/had a “Vinnie clause” in their contracts?

[burnley007]

He’s been on every single weekly training gallery posted by the club? He was also on a video they posted on instagram recently have a laugh with some other players playing a ‘guess who’ game. TurfCast tweeted recently he’d been told Tresor has been looking ‘very good’ in training.

Let's just accept this as where he is at. We don't know the effects of his illness/injury. It might take longer to build back up to match ready.

I'm just seeing him playing as a bonus if/when that happens, he is still with us, he is training, there is now some hope...

[CrosspoolClarets]

All this talk of a Vinny clause in MTB2 but I am still of the view that Tresor, who seems a sensitive sort, wouldn’t take kindly to VK’s antics on the training pitch or dressing room.

Like Pep, VK can discard players at will (Pep famously didn’t speak to some frozen out City players for a year or more). It seems to me that some of our discarding was players VK may not have deemed to be tough enough, who may not have had a thick skin. I always wondered about Zaroury and Al Dakhil in that sense.

I’m guessing of course and realistically any affected players will now likely be thinking they need to get a fresh start whoever is the manager, it is human nature.

[Goliath]

All this talk of a Vinny clause in MTB2 but I am still of the view that Tresor, who seems a sensitive sort, wouldn’t take kindly to VK’s antics on the training pitch or dressing room.

Like Pep, VK can discard players at will (Pep famously didn’t speak to some frozen out City players for a year or more). It seems to me that some of our discarding was players VK may not have deemed to be tough enough, who may not have had a thick skin. I always wondered about Zaroury and Al Dakhil in that sense.

I’m guessing of course and realistically any affected players will now likely be thinking they need to get a fresh start whoever is the manager, it is human nature.

It does seem like Kompany was incredibly ruthless in all areas, including his dealings with the chairman. I wouldn't surprised if he was using blackmail tactics about leaving the club in order to get the amount of money he was allowed to spend.

Some would say that's what winners are, completely ruthless.

[NewClaret]

It does seem like Kompany was incredibly ruthless in all areas, including his dealings with the chairman. I wouldn't surprised if he was using blackmail tactics about leaving the club in order to get the amount of money he was allowed to spend.

Some would say that's what winners are, completely ruthless.

That is a wild assumption.

I’m sure that Pace wouldn’t have been going out with him and his wife for dinner on the eve of his exit if he felt he’d been blackmailed at any point in his tenure.

There’s some assumptions that Pace is weak. You don’t get to the MD position he held at Lehman Brothers or the senior global roles he held at Citi without being an extremely astute political manoeuvrer and being cut throat yourself. I have no doubt at all that if Pace ever thought someone was taking liberties with him, he’d both spot it in a second and cut them off immediately.

[NewClaret]

Didn’t we hear in MtB2 that some players wanted/had a “Vinnie clause” in their contracts?

It was suggested they were requested and laughed off, which I took to mean as rejected outright.

I don’t think it’s particularly shocking to hear of such requests though. In the Exec recruitment world they demand all sorts that would shock the workforce and it’s pretty standard for commercial contracts to include ‘change of ownership’ clauses, etc. You can ask but it doesn’t mean you’ll get.

We were daft if we agreed to any. Ditto relegation and release clauses, in my opinion.

[Goliath]

That is a wild assumption.

I’m sure that Pace wouldn’t have been going out with him and his wife for dinner on the eve of his exit if he felt he’d been blackmailed at any point in his tenure.

There’s some assumptions that Pace is weak. You don’t get to the MD position he held at Lehman Brothers or the senior global roles he held at Citi without being an extremely astute political manoeuvrer and being cut throat yourself. I have no doubt at all that if Pace ever thought someone was taking liberties with him, he’d both spot it in a second and cut them off immediately.

I wasn't particularly assuming, I just said I wouldn't be surprised if he was using interest from other clubs to increase his transfer budget

[gtclaret]

He’s been on every single weekly training gallery posted by the club? He was also on a video they posted on instagram recently have a laugh with some other players playing a ‘guess who’ game. TurfCast tweeted recently he’d been told Tresor has been looking ‘very good’ in training.

So where the hell is he then.Hes been fit for a while,how long does it take to get match fit.He has not even played one minute for the U21s

[NewClaret]

I wasn't particularly assuming, I just said I wouldn't be surprised if he was using interest from other clubs to increase his transfer budget

Fair point, my opening line wasn’t really helpful to the point I was trying to make in response, which was that I think there’s a general view amongst fans - without any real basis or evidence - that Kompany controlled Pace.

Maybe that’s in part to do with his nice guy demeanour, but nobody who reaches that level of success does it by being naive or manipulated by people. He’ll be razor sharp, highly intelligent and absolutely cut throat himself. As I think he’s proven with Dyche and other club staff.

In some ways Kompany is exactly the same which is why I reckon they got on and why Kompany will always do well as he’ll relate well to anyone at that level looking to employ him.

As an aside though, Matt Williams has said before that he had to tell Vinny no lots of times, suggesting Pace wore the trousers.

[Goliath]

Fair point, my opening line wasn’t really helpful to the point I was trying to make in response, which was that I think there’s a general view amongst fans - without any real basis or evidence - that Kompany controlled Pace.

Maybe that’s in part to do with his nice guy demeanour, but nobody who reaches that level of success does it by being naive or manipulated by people. He’ll be razor sharp, highly intelligent and absolutely cut throat himself. As I think he’s proven with Dyche and other club staff.

In some ways Kompany is exactly the same which is why I reckon they got on and why Kompany will always do well as he’ll relate well to anyone at that level looking to employ him.

As an aside though, Matt Williams has said before that he had to tell Vinny no lots of times, suggesting Pace wore the trousers.

It does appear that Kompany had an unusual amount of influence. It looked from the outside that Pace was aware of how big a name he'd managed to get with zlompamy and was willing to really push the boat out to get him to stay.
Unfortunately he hadn't accounted for Kompamy not handling defeat very well and having a bit of a meltdown.

[NewClaret]

It does appear that Kompany had an unusual amount of influence. It looked from the outside that Pace was aware of how big a name he'd managed to get with zlompamy and was willing to really push the boat out to get him to stay.
Unfortunately he hadn't accounted for Kompamy not handling defeat very well and having a bit of a meltdown.

I’m not sure how it appears he had an unusual amount of influence?

If you’re referring to the money spent in the promotion window, two of the three promoted clubs spent the same, the third slightly less.

If you look at the amounts they signed players for, all the of last seasons promoted clubs spent more on individual players, therefore arguably taking more risk - Skip, Hutchinson & THB all €23.5m vs €18.6m for Amdouni, so c25% more.

I think the club supported calculated investments in players that will be been mutually agreed based on Kompany’s input, the recruitment team and probably who Pace deemed to be affordable (we know he was told no on transfers because Matt Williams said he had to tell him no).

I don’t see anything that suggests he had more influence or control over the club than I’d expect him to give any manager. Judging by the summer signings I think he’s probably given Parker a similar level of control but maybe not so much on his team. Maybe that’s an area that Pace felt was unnecessary.

[morninbob]

Magic mike looking sharp...
https://x.com/ParkersCardigan/status/18 ... 9pgAA&s=19

[summitclaret]

It starts with get him in the squad. Nothing too lose?

[Goliath]

I’m not sure how it appears he had an unusual amount of influence?

If you’re referring to the money spent in the promotion window, two of the three promoted clubs spent the same, the third slightly less.

If you look at the amounts they signed players for, all the of last seasons promoted clubs spent more on individual players, therefore arguably taking more risk - Skip, Hutchinson & THB all €23.5m vs €18.6m for Amdouni, so c25% more.

I think the club supported calculated investments in players that will be been mutually agreed based on Kompany’s input, the recruitment team and probably who Pace deemed to be affordable (we know he was told no on transfers because Matt Williams said he had to tell him no).

I don’t see anything that suggests he had more influence or control over the club than I’d expect him to give any manager. Judging by the summer signings I think he’s probably given Parker a similar level of control but maybe not so much on his team. Maybe that’s an area that Pace felt was unnecessary.

Allowing him to take control of recruitment in particular was a huge risk along with allowing him to sign an absolutely ridiculous amount of players last summer.
You aren't really comparing like for like with other clubs because we also had a lot of debt which instead of paying off we decided to add to further.
As I said I'm not assuming, but I would guess that Kompany was very pushy in that overspend.

[BigGaz]

Fair point, my opening line wasn’t really helpful to the point I was trying to make in response, which was that I think there’s a general view amongst fans - without any real basis or evidence - that Kompany controlled Pace.

Maybe that’s in part to do with his nice guy demeanour, but nobody who reaches that level of success does it by being naive or manipulated by people. He’ll be razor sharp, highly intelligent and absolutely cut throat himself. As I think he’s proven with Dyche and other club staff.

In some ways Kompany is exactly the same which is why I reckon they got on and why Kompany will always do well as he’ll relate well to anyone at that level looking to employ him.

As an aside though, Matt Williams has said before that he had to tell Vinny no lots of times, suggesting Pace wore the trousers.

A significant part of my job is liaison for big corporates, at Executive or Board level.

I can assure you that deeply mediocre, naive and easily manipulated (and worse, dangerously so) people can and do reach that level with alarming regularity.

Nepotism, Blackmail,gift of the gab, Jobs for the boys, back scratching, Sex, just being in the right place at the right time sometimes. Some very high functioning people make it sure, but there's also some that are barely sentient.

[burnley007]

Any updates on our Internationals?

Foster?

[morninbob]

Any updates on our Internationals?

Foster?

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/sport/s ... to-injury/

[Row x]

Any updates on our Internationals?

Foster?

Flying back, out of tomorrow's game

[vinrogue]

Spurs and England Anderton was SICKNOTE

Do we have any to compete ? Asking for a friend!

[Row x]

Spurs and England Anderton was SICKNOTE

Do we have any to compete ? Asking for a friend!

Tell your friend to shut up

[AGENT_CLARET]

Flying back, out of tomorrow's game

We now need to play Flemming upfront

[GetIntoEm]

We now need to play Flemming upfront

will we really play a midfielder up front, when we have other strikers available?

[AGENT_CLARET]

will we really play a midfielder up front, when we have other strikers available?

His goal scoring ratio is better than Fosters over both careers

Flemming averages 11.96 goal's a season for a Midfielder

Foster averages 7.6 goals a season for a striker

Jay Rods legs have gone, he spends his game time these days pointing at space for the ball to be played into then never runs

There is no other player who can play in that position at the club currently, so yes we have to play a midfielder up front, at least Flemming knows how to put the ball in the net

[AGENT_CLARET]

We need to find a striker within the club because it looks like Foster will miss the Sheffield Wednesday game plus Hull and QPR at least

[Silkyskills1]

This situation has been present at the club for probably 18 months and has now come home to roost. Tella and Barnes left and neither were replaced by a goalscorer. Even after last season's debacle and 'x' numbers of players leaving and arriving we still have not addressed the problem. Incredible that it has been overlooked for such a lengthy time especially when our only current incumbent has been shown to be clearly not 'up to the mark' over the best part of two years he's been here. We managed to bring in a couple of new goalkeepers at one end whilst hoping wishfully but forlornly that our goals tally would be boosted at the other by what we already had. He's got far more bookings( for mouthing off) than goals scored already.

[randomclaret2]

This situation has been present at the club for probably 18 months and has now come home to roost. Tella and Barnes left and neither were replaced by a goalscorer. Even after last season's debacle and 'x' numbers of players leaving and arriving we still have not addressed the problem. Incredible that it has been overlooked for such a lengthy time especially when our only current incumbent has been shown to be clearly not 'up to the mark' over the best part of two years he's been here. We managed to bring in a couple of new goalkeepers at one end whilst hoping wishfully but forlornly that our goals tally would be boosted at the other by what we already had. He's got far more bookings( for mouthing off) than goals scored already.

Makes the decision to loan out Amdouni even more bizarre

[warksclaret]

If Foster is not fit for Saturday it helps Parker make the decision to start Fleming, who did so well as the target man v Leeds

[NL Claret]

Makes the decision to loan out Amdouni even more bizarre

Whose decision was it to make?

Say we kept Amdouni , player wanted to leave and wasn’t happy at the club, might as well loan with the obligation to buy at the end of the season, club gets its money back on the player, frees up a squad space and a wage.

The striking department at club hasn’t been upgraded since the signing of Chris Wood.

[Stonehouse]

Whose decision was it to make?

Say we kept Amdouni , player wanted to leave and wasn’t happy at the club, might as well loan with the obligation to buy at the end of the season, club gets its money back on the player, frees up a squad space and a wage.

The striking department at club hasn’t been upgraded since the signing of Chris Wood.

Might be worth playing Koleosho down the middle in away games and try to hit teams on the break,can’t do any worse than the present incumbent .

[bumba]

Makes the decision to loan out Amdouni even more bizarre

It's a loan that turns in to a permanent transfer so he's gone, but different to letting him go for a season.

[mybloodisclaret]

This situation has been present at the club for probably 18 months and has now come home to roost. Tella and Barnes left and neither were replaced by a goalscorer. Even after last season's debacle and 'x' numbers of players leaving and arriving we still have not addressed the problem. Incredible that it has been overlooked for such a lengthy time especially when our only current incumbent has been shown to be clearly not 'up to the mark' over the best part of two years he's been here. We managed to bring in a couple of new goalkeepers at one end whilst hoping wishfully but forlornly that our goals tally would be boosted at the other by what we already had. He's got far more bookings( for mouthing off) than goals scored already.

Given what happened the last few weeks of that transfer window, I suspect it was just a case of let's get some quality bodies in here as quick as we can. We were in a right mess, look at that squad against Sunderland. Wow. Many had already written the season off at that point.

We got several very good players in. We absolutely need to go all out in January for an out and out goalscorer. Easier said than done to find one, but it will almost certainly be the difference between promotion and not.
Defensively we are looking good and strong, no team is likely to beat us convincingly, but it's essential we start turning these draws into wins. Oxford and Preston is 4 points dropped right there.

[burnley007]

Will we see any pics of Tresor/Ramsey/Redmond/Ekdal in training this week?

[warksclaret]

We were told at least a month ago by Parker in a pre match press conference that Tresor was training with the team, and was showing the obvious talent he had. If we don't see him on the bench this weekend then I suspect you will see a miraculous improvement in his fitness and availability as the window is about to open in late December

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Will we see any pics of Tresor/Ramsey/Redmond/Ekdal in training this week?

There was a picture of Ekdal training ahead of the QPR game. I could not spot the others though (not to say they were not training, I am not the best at identifying blurry pictures of the back of people's heads!).

[Fretters]

I think it's becoming clear that we'll never see Tresor play for Burnley again.

Hope I'm wrong.

[warksclaret]

I think it's becoming clear that we'll never see Tresor play for Burnley again.

Hope I'm wrong.

Been thinking this for a while Fretters. You would think with his career slipping he would be bursting a gut to get in the match squad. Maybe we might be filing him under Ben Gibson soon

[Quickenthetempo]

I'm starting to think Tresor had a big fee attached to his transfer for 10 apps or so and Burnley refuse to pay it.

[northeastclaret]

It is now two months that Tresor was desperate to sign for another team, Ajax I think it was. And reports were he was very upset to not leave. I would assume if Ajax had met our asking price and he signed for them I doubt very much it would be on the basis that he didn’t kick a ball for what is now two months.

With the squad stretched this weekend if Tresor is not involved or and explanation given we can only assume he is a complete ar@ehole who is robbing the club blind.

[summitclaret]

I'm starting to think Tresor had a big fee attached to his transfer for 10 apps or so and Burnley refuse to pay it.

There's no other rational explanation.