Parker pre match v Millwall

[claretspice]

I’m sure it is by the club !!
We still have little or no idea why Tresor was missing for so long. We have no idea why Sambo is not involved. At various points we seem to have little idea as to why Benson is not available.

But the general point is that most weeks we have a hell of a lot of players not available for selection and that this never looks like it’s going to change significantly.

That's not actually true. Parker has been hazy about the exact issue with Tresor but stated it was illness. Hes been vague to now about timings but now has been pretty clear yesterday that he's now available, or very close. Benson he confirmed was medium term and there's no need for a running commentary on that. There's no update. He's updated on Ekdal, Ramsey and Redmond recently.

Sambo just doesnt appear to be rated. Given his CV, I find that a bit surprising and it may well be worth a discussion in the presser, but ultimately that's the manager's prerogative and nothing to do with injury.

[Big Vinny K]

That's not actually true. Parker has been hazy about the exact issue with Tresor but stated it was illness. Hes been vague to now about timings but now has been pretty clear yesterday that he's now available, or very close. Benson he confirmed was medium term and there's no need for a running commentary on that. There's no update. He's updated on Ekdal, Ramsey and Redmond recently.

Sambo just doesnt appear to be rated. Given his CV, I find that a bit surprising and it may well be worth a discussion in the presser, but ultimately that's the manager's prerogative and nothing to do with injury.

What’s not actually true ? Up until recently we have had no idea what the real issue has been with Tresor. To a large degree we still do not know why it has taken so long for him to be nearing availability.

Benson I was referring to that during the last number of months we have not know what the issue is. On the bench one week then missing a few weeks without hardly kicking a ball.

As said the general point is that we have had a lot of players missing every week for a good while now and there’s little or no signs of this significantly improving. This was not the case under Dyche and neither was it the case under VK in the first season. But it has been pretty much all the time since last summer.

[warksclaret]

I have to say that the general info and updates on players absences has of late been very good. The exception is Tresor-our record signing at a supposed £15.4m. He first became vocal towards the end of the window on social media and he was allegedly pushing for a move out. After a very long absence , and it was not a case of an injury that we saw during his brief appearances,so naturally fans speculate. We understand he has been training for around 5 weeks (quote Parker) and no sign of an appearance for the U-21's or making the first team squad. I remember when Dyche got Barton, he had not played for about 6 months, but within a month Dyche had him regularly starting.The longer this goes on the more fans speculate. We all hope we are going to see him soon as we are desperate for a stronger bench, and his CV would indicate he can contribute to assists, better corners than we have now, and a better free kick specialist. Of course getting on the pitch is the first thing but secondly he will need to show the fans that he dearly wants to play for the shirt. I know I should not be cynical but if we dont see him soon we could have another Weghorst on our hands.

[Enola Gay]

There’s altogether far too many Burnley fans need a hobby other than obsessing over our injured players and the why/how long of their absences.

Move on, FFS.

[ClaretPete001]

Surely, we are experiencing all the issues that anyone could have predicted with a big squad where a lot of players who would expect to play are not...! Firstly, players who aren't playing can't get properly fit. They are then thrust into the best league in the world not properly ready and suffer as a consequence both in terms of injuries, confidence and morale.

Again much of this is down to ALKs model. You might say, we are victims of this that and the other but it must be hard for the likes of Benson to achieve what he did then not play for the best part of a year and then get thrust into a competitive game.

Tresor and Odobert were not even selected at the start of last season. Tresor comes in after several games and gets run ragged by Raheem Sterling who on his day is one of the best players in Europe (or was) and then gets dropped again.

It doesn't matter how much you get paid or people's expectations of professionalism the human body and mind does not change dependent upon how much you get paid.

What is Parker supposed to say? He can't tell the truth he just has to protect his players as best he can. No one wants to hear manager's throwing players under the bus because in the end that just demoralises the squad.

[Big Vinny K]

Surely, we are experiencing all the issues that anyone could have predicted with a big squad where a lot of players who would expect to play are not...! Firstly, players who aren't playing can't get properly fit. They are then thrust into the best league in the world not properly ready and suffer as a consequence both in terms of injuries, confidence and morale.

Again much of this is down to ALKs model. You might say, we are victims of this that and the other but it must be hard for the likes of Benson to achieve what he did then not play for the best part of a year and then get thrust into a competitive game.

Tresor and Odobert were not even selected at the start of last season. Tresor comes in after several games and gets run ragged by Raheem Sterling who on his day is one of the best players in Europe (or was) and then gets dropped again.

It doesn't matter how much you get paid or people's expectations of professionalism the human body and mind does not change dependent upon how much you get paid.

What is Parker supposed to say? He can't tell the truth he just has to protect his players as best he can. No one wants to hear manager's throwing players under the bus because in the end that just demoralises the squad.

Completely agree that Parker is handling it well….and I certainly would not want him throwing any players under the bus whatever the issue is.

As usual the board always ends up in extreme comments like people are ‘obsessed” and get a new hobby etc. It’s crap like that which puts me off the board these days.

It’s hardly the most controversial view in the world to wonder why we have so many injuries and players out for other reasons when we have spent so much money, look short in a lot of areas, have little coming off the bench and that many of the players missing could improve all of this.

[ClaretPete001]

Completely agree that Parker is handling it well….and I certainly would not want him throwing any players under the bus whatever the issue is.

As usual the board always ends up in extreme comments like people are ‘obsessed” and get a new hobby etc. It’s crap like that which puts me off the board these days.

It’s hardly the most controversial view in the world to wonder why we have so many injuries and players out for other reasons when we have spent so much money, look short in a lot of areas, have little coming off the bench and that many of the players missing could improve all of this.

Of course, it's a football discussion board. Why do so many come on who don't seem to want to discuss anything?

I always wondered why JBG managed 40 games in the Championship but largely nothing like in the PL. And it's because the game is faster so he has to react more quickly and his body has to do so much more just to be at that level.

It's not rocket science. The PL is brutal both mentally and physically and the squad has suffered.

It's not something we didn't know or could not have anticipated. A good squad of 24 is required for rotation etc but once you are heading towards 40 it becomes a problem in its own right even for those playing because you have 10 -15 players not playing.

At the end of Dyche's reign we had 10 or so out of contract players many of whom knew they were not going to get a new contract. It must have an impact on morale.

[ClaretTony]

I’m sure it is by the club !!
We still have little or no idea why Tresor was missing for so long. We have no idea why Sambo is not involved. At various points we seem to have little idea as to why Benson is not available.

But the general point is that most weeks we have a hell of a lot of players not available for selection and that this never looks like it’s going to change significantly.

Parker reported that Benson would be out for some time with a calf injury. I’m assuming Sambo is considered not ready for the first team. I’d just have some patience where Trésor is concerned, he has genuinely been unavailable.

[Big Vinny K]

Parker reported that Benson would be out for some time with a calf injury. I’m assuming Sambo is considered not ready for the first team. I’d just have some patience where Trésor is concerned, he has genuinely been unavailable.

Thanks Tony.

I’m optimistic about Tresor. I want him and all Burnley players to do well - as I’m sure all of us do.
Sambo one is unusual - as already mentioned by some he was ahead of Egan Riley last year at PSV and played a game for us and them been totally out of the picture when we have had a number of games where we needed a right back.

As said general point is how many players we have missing every week and how we have gone from spending so much money and having a massive squad to having the kind of bench we have seen recently.

[KRBFC]

Odd comments about Tresor on here which don't match Parker's comments in the press conference. Parker implies, as far I can see, that we can expect to see Tresor back in action over the next 10 days or so. Which would be great news as we could do with a player of his sort of qualities.

He said that Tresor was back in training like a month ago

[ClaretTony]

Thanks Tony.

I’m optimistic about Tresor. I want him and all Burnley players to do well - as I’m sure all of us do.
Sambo one is unusual - as already mentioned by some he was ahead of Egan Riley last year at PSV and played a game for us and them been totally out of the picture when we have had a number of games where we needed a right back.

As said general point is how many players we have missing every week and how we have gone from spending so much money and having a massive squad to having the kind of bench we have seen recently.

He was t ahead of Egan-Riley - he was with their B squad.

[KRBFC]

He was t ahead of Egan-Riley - he was with their B squad.

He was ahead of Egan Riley, Sambo was in the first team whilst Egan Riley was with the B team.

[ClaretTony]

He was ahead of Egan Riley, Sambo was in the first team whilst Egan Riley was with the B team.

He wasn't ahead of him for that very reason

[Stonehouse]

Surely, we are experiencing all the issues that anyone could have predicted with a big squad where a lot of players who would expect to play are not...! Firstly, players who aren't playing can't get properly fit. They are then thrust into the best league in the world not properly ready and suffer as a consequence both in terms of injuries, confidence and morale.

Again much of this is down to ALKs model. You might say, we are victims of this that and the other but it must be hard for the likes of Benson to achieve what he did then not play for the best part of a year and then get thrust into a competitive game.

Tresor and Odobert were not even selected at the start of last season. Tresor comes in after several games and gets run ragged by Raheem Sterling who on his day is one of the best players in Europe (or was) and then gets dropped again.

It doesn't matter how much you get paid or people's expectations of professionalism the human body and mind does not change dependent upon how much you get paid.

What is Parker supposed to say? He can't tell the truth he just has to protect his players as best he can. No one wants to hear manager's throwing players under the bus because in the end that just demoralises the squad.

No problem him getting run ragged by Sterling it was is pathetic showing as a sub when we were beating Luton and needed him to put a shift in.

[JarrowClaret]

No problem him getting run ragged by Sterling it was is pathetic showing as a sub when we were beating Luton and needed him to put a shift in.

He did put a shift in he is just not great defensively in fact I think he is awful defensively, he is the type of player you leave up front and ask not to defend in your own area. He should never have been brought on by Kompany in the situation

[jrgbfc]

No problem him getting run ragged by Sterling it was is pathetic showing as a sub when we were beating Luton and needed him to put a shift in.

Tbf in a season of baffling decisions by Kompany that one probably topped the lot. Trying to grind a win out in a horrible, scrappy game, Tresor was probably the last man in the world we needed on the pitch.

[Big Vinny K]

I’ll raise you with his performance away at Everton in the cup.
It was embarrassingly bad - but it was made worse by the fact that he played the whole game. Would not be surprised at all if VK kept him on deliberately for whatever twisted motivational reason he saw fit.

But agree a far more important game was against Luton when he was the very last person from the bench we needed to bring on in that game. As quickly as VK made a few peoples careers in that first season he seemed adamant on ruining a few last season.

[Culmclaret]

I’ll raise you with his performance away at Everton in the cup.
It was embarrassingly bad - but it was made worse by the fact that he played the whole game. Would not be surprised at all if VK kept him on deliberately for whatever twisted motivational reason he saw fit.

But agree a far more important game was against Luton when he was the very last person from the bench we needed to bring on in that game. As quickly as VK made a few peoples careers in that first season he seemed adamant on ruining a few last season.

The only career Kompany was interested in was his own

[dvalley69]

He said that Tresor was back in training like a month ago

And who hadn't had any pre-season. How long is pre-season usually? Getting up to speed with the rest of the squad ain't gonna take a few weeks, pal.

[warksclaret]

Appreciate it takes time to get fit but during pre season we usually have our first friendly 2-3 weeks after pre season has started
Joey Barton had been absent from competitive football for a not dissimilar period to Tesoro and Dyche had him playing regularly in the first team within a month
I would have at least expected 30 mins in the U21’s by now and gradually been phased in

[Big Vinny K]

After finding out last night what the issue has been with Tresor he definitely needs to be cut some slack.

Hopefully we can soon start see some of the glimpses of the player who got player of the year in Belgium - because to get that kind of accolade you must have more than a good bit of potential.

[Ampth7]

After finding out last night what the issue has been with Tresor he definitely needs to be cut some slack.

Hopefully we can soon start see some of the glimpses of the player who got player of the year in Belgium - because to get that kind of accolade you must have more than a good bit of potential.

Do you care to elaborate?

[Burnley1989]

Do you care to elaborate?

Don't if its personal, there may be a good reason it's not public knowledge

[Jakubs Tash]

Don't if its personal, there may be a good reason it's not public knowledge

And yet certain members of the public are aware and others aren’t…..

[Burnley1989]

And yet certain members of the public are aware and others aren’t…..

So what? That's life

[Jakubs Tash]

So what? That's life

Erm…. Because if it’s out in the public domain then it should be common knowledge.

Otherwise it’s just speculation. “I’ve heard this I’ve heard that”…. Quite pathetic actually from people saying that on a fans forum. But not a surprise - not on here.

[Burnley1989]

Erm…. Because if it’s out in the public domain then it should be common knowledge.

Otherwise it’s just speculation. “I’ve heard this I’ve heard that”…. Quite pathetic actually from people saying that on a fans forum. But not a surprise - not on here.

Wtf? What a strange thing to say.
I've heard things from family or players and people Ive known at the club over the years but certain things you'd not repeat.
All the poster said was to give him some slack based on what he'd been told?
What's wrong with that?

[Jakubs Tash]

Wtf? What a strange thing to say.
I've heard things from family or players and people Ive known at the club over the years but certain things you'd not repeat.
All the poster said was to give him some slack based on what he'd been told?
What's wrong with that?

Not really that strange. I suppose it depends on your morals.

If you’ve heard something, fine. But why post on a message board that you’ve heard something but you can’t say what it is? Why not just keep it to yourself? Surely that would be the right thing to do.

[Big Vinny K]

Not really that strange. I suppose it depends on your morals.

If you’ve heard something, fine. But why post on a message board that you’ve heard something but you can’t say what it is? Why not just keep it to yourself? Surely that would be the right thing to do.

Holy sh-it…. what an over reaction.

“depends on your morals” ?

Feel free to list all your rules about what we are allowed to post and I’ll try my best to keep to up to your high moral standards.

[Dark Cloud]

After finding out last night what the issue has been with Tresor he definitely needs to be cut some slack.

Hopefully we can soon start see some of the glimpses of the player who got player of the year in Belgium - because to get that kind of accolade you must have more than a good bit of potential.

I like to think I'm rarely, if ever, controversial or argumentative on here, but this post interprets as " I've got a secret, but I'm not allowed to say". So why mention it? Utterly childish and daft. (Imo)

[Row x]

Not really that strange. I suppose it depends on your morals.

If you’ve heard something, fine. But why post on a message board that you’ve heard something but you can’t say what it is? Why not just keep it to yourself? Surely that would be the right thing to do.

Not the first time it's been posted about Tresor.
Obviously something serious, but I don't feel the need to know every detail.

[Burnley1989]

I like to think I'm rarely, if ever, controversial or argumentative on here, but this post interprets as " I've got a secret, but I'm not allowed to say". So why mention it? Utterly childish and daft. (Imo)

I posted something on here a few months back that actually landed me in trouble so wouldnt do that personally. All he said was give him some slack, I've no issue with not knowing and could probably find out but I'm not interested.

[Dark Cloud]

I posted something on here a few months back that actually landed me in trouble so wouldnt do that personally. All he said was give him some slack, I've no issue with not knowing and could probably find out but I'm not interested.

And I've no problem with not knowing and I'm happy to give anybody some slack. All I was referring to was the "I know something, but I ain't saying as it's a secret" stuff which gets posted by some on here and always smacks of being a bit silly. Why not just say nowt?

[Jakubs Tash]

And I've no problem with not knowing and I'm happy to give anybody some slack. All I was referring to was the "I know something, but I ain't saying as it's a secret" stuff which gets posted by some on here and always smacks of being a bit silly. Why not just say nowt?

Agreed.

And for the record, I can’t wait to see Tresor back playing. He’s exactly what’s missing from this team.

[Big Vinny K]

Funny that we did not see the same over reaction when it was posted above that we should be patient because Tresor has been “genuinely unavailable”

I have no issue with that post whatsoever and given who posted it i made the pretty safe assumption that he knew the details of why Tresor has been missing. I did not feel the need to ask him what he knew or start insulting him.

This board can be pretty pathetic at times.

[dougcollins]

I'm not convinced that anyone who posts on here knows the genuine reason for Tresor's unavailability.

[boatshed bill]

I'm not convinced that anyone who posts on here knows the genuine reason for Tresor's unavailability.

I'd imagine it's only privvy to our medical staff and management.
Makes you wonder how this "information" gets out???

[KRBFC]

And who hadn't had any pre-season. How long is pre-season usually? Getting up to speed with the rest of the squad ain't gonna take a few weeks, pal.

So he said a month ago it was going to be 2 weeks before he’s available for selection, now he’s said again another 2 weeks. He hasn’t played ANY football to get match fit, not even a reserve team game.