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Re: January Chequebook

Post by DCWat » Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:46 pm

blatherwickstattoos wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:23 pm
Past history with his teams makes me believe he’s not cut out for the premier league anyway. I don’t expect Anything more than plays offs but I’m not too bothered about going up.
Like the Premier League or not, every Burnley fan should be desperate for us to get promoted. The consequences of not achieving a promotion this season, or at a push next, could be dire.

We can only pray that Pace and Parker get it right. There’s a lot of convincing to be done, on both fronts.
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Re: January Chequebook

Post by boyyanno » Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:46 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:01 pm
Agreed.
Agree, a big number 9 and a Goal scoring winger like JBL for me.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:50 pm

DCWat wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:46 pm
Like the Premier League or not, every Burnley fan should be desperate for us to get promoted. The consequences of not achieving a promotion this season, or at a push next, could be dire.

We can only pray that Pace and Parker get it right. There’s a lot of convincing to be done, on both fronts.
Having a group of American Mormon businessmen we can’t go wrong

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by NewClaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:11 am

DCWat wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:46 pm
Like the Premier League or not, every Burnley fan should be desperate for us to get promoted. The consequences of not achieving a promotion this season, or at a push next, could be dire.

We can only pray that Pace and Parker get it right. There’s a lot of convincing to be done, on both fronts.
Could be, I agree, but with £100m sold and Traff/Esteve still to sell it’s highly unlikely going to be dire consequences.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by NewClaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:12 am

boyyanno wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:46 pm
Agree, a big number 9 and a Goal scoring winger like JBL for me.
JBL would be an awesome signing.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:13 am

blatherwickstattoos wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:50 pm
Having a group of American Mormon businessmen we can’t go wrong
What does the fact they are Mormon have to do with anything

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:16 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:11 am
Could be, I agree, but with £100m sold and Traff/Esteve still to sell it’s highly unlikely going to be dire consequences.
Think that just touches the edges tbf Newclaret. I don’t think any of us know the true impact of what a season or two down in the championship would do. But I am edging on the side of we could rapidly become lower end championship side/league 1 side.

We have buying power for next 24 months. After that we don’t.
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Re: January Chequebook

Post by agreenwood » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:25 am

Wouldn’t be a surprise if Mooney et al are having to answer some questions about last summers signings.

There may be a reluctance to throw any more more in with so many misses stuck on the books from last summer.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by Stonehouse » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:51 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:02 pm
We don’t need to spend just wait till we unleash Redmond, Ramsey, Foster and of course Tresor. Parker obviously lulling the rest of the league into a false sense of security.
Congratulations,you’ve won the prize for posting the most sarcastic comment.😂

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by Spike » Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:44 am

We need to seriously rethink the buying strategy.
It is totally pointless to never have a balanced squad
It’s not ok to have some clown making lists when he should be helping to create a team
To be so ineffective when it is our corner is embarrassing and that won’t lead to success

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:46 am

Tresor will be like a new signing…….

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by randomclaret2 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:46 am

DCWat wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:46 pm
Like the Premier League or not, every Burnley fan should be desperate for us to get promoted. The consequences of not achieving a promotion this season, or at a push next, could be dire.

We can only pray that Pace and Parker get it right. There’s a lot of convincing to be done, on both fronts.
Financial troubles loom if we arent promoted this season or next...

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:50 am

randomclaret2 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:46 am
Financial troubles loom if we arent promoted this season or next...
Having deadweights like tresor picking up a large wage and not playing won’t be helping our financial situation.
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Re: January Chequebook

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:50 am

randomclaret2 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:46 am
Financial troubles loom if we arent promoted this season or next...
I think this adds to the current malaise.

Last season hit a lot of people hard. We need to go up or we’ll be in trouble but I think it’s a struggle to see much joy in another season in the Premier League.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by dandeclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:11 am

claret10 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:22 pm
They definitely did - a 1 on 1 inside the box and an "open goal" rebound albeit from a tight angle - plus 2 shots from the edge of the box - 1 just wide and 1 just over
Koleosho's chance was the best chance of the night.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by warksclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:20 am

We need to get our PAYING IN book out before the CHEQUE book. Get rid of the wage stealers like Delcroix, Benson and Tresor (is Burnley FC registered as a charity ??). Get some others out on loan ie Sambo, Hountondji,Dodson. Get in some strong front runners

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by Burnley1989 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:25 am

DCWat wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:46 pm
Like the Premier League or not, every Burnley fan should be desperate for us to get promoted. The consequences of not achieving a promotion this season, or at a push next, could be dire.

We can only pray that Pace and Parker get it right. There’s a lot of convincing to be done, on both fronts.
Its a really shite position to be in.

Don't get promoted and we are likely to slip down the leagues and face big issues, financially.

Get promoted, we are likely to get battered every week and relegated straight away as the financial/quality gulf grows.

Its a little depressing to think about really.
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Re: January Chequebook

Post by Burnley1989 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:28 am

warksclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:20 am
We need to get our PAYING IN book out before the CHEQUE book. Get rid of the wage stealers like Delcroix, Benson and Tresor (is Burnley FC registered as a charity ??). Get some others out on loan ie Sambo, Hountondji,Dodson. Get in some strong front runners
Benson, wage stealer...... WOW, some folk have very short memories.
He could argue he's been limping around for the last few months in a boot due to trying to entertain us and getting injured. He cant help that
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Re: January Chequebook

Post by ChorltonCharlie » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:30 am

agreenwood wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:25 am
Wouldn’t be a surprise if Mooney et al are having to answer some questions about last summers signings.

There may be a reluctance to throw any more more in with so many misses stuck on the books from last summer.
Agree with this. Apart from people talking about signings like it's monopoly money, if I'm running the club I'm wanting to know why we're getting so little out of several summer signings plus high value players like Koleosho. You can't just keep throwing money at the problem in the blind hope it will fix it.
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Re: January Chequebook

Post by cockneyclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:35 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:25 am
Its a really shite position to be in.

Don't get promoted and we are likely to slip down the leagues and face big issues, financially.

Get promoted, we are likely to get battered every week and relegated straight away as the financial/quality gulf grows.

Its a little depressing to think about really.
It would be an awful watch if we went up, we can barely score in this league let alone the prem!
I couldn't see us winning a single game

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by Quicknick » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:43 am

cockneyclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:35 am
It would be an awful watch if we went up, we can barely score in this league let alone the prem!
I couldn't see us winning a single game
You would imagine we wouldn't be playing with all the same players.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by cockneyclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:47 am

Quicknick wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:43 am
You would imagine we wouldn't be playing with all the same players.
I would hope not lol but I can't see a great window if we did..

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by cockneyclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:48 am

I don't think SP could seduce Alan like VK did for that cheque book 😂

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by warksclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:48 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:28 am
Benson, wage stealer...... WOW, some folk have very short memories.
He could argue he's been limping around for the last few months in a boot due to trying to entertain us and getting injured. He cant help that
One swallow does not make a Summer. Sensational first season but what has he done since in 18 months. If he ever plays again I will have a little wager that the first tackle on him puts him out of action for some time. Cars are only good if they start and run-we have too many in the garage that no one can get to start, and its tying our money up, of which we have precious little

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by Big Vinny K » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:53 am

cockneyclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:35 am
It would be an awful watch if we went up, we can barely score in this league let alone the prem!
I couldn't see us winning a single game
That’s the spirit.

What do you think the club needs to do then ?
We spent £130m plus last season and ended up with one of the worst seasons for supporters in our history.

Forest spent best part of £200m in their first season back in the PL and only just avoided relegation.

History of the PL shows that clubs who have ended up with the tag as “yo yo” clubs at some point do not go back up to the PL and a few end up even worse spending a few seasons in division one.

At some point the likelihood is that without a lot wealthier owners than we have now we will join the likes of West Brom, Sunderland, Hull, Boro, Leeds, Watford, Reading, Norwich etc

Personally I’d be happy to not get promoted this year to give us another year to strengthen the team and then hopefully get promoted. But if not it’s back to the normality of being a Burnley fan !

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by hoosier-daddy » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:57 am

I don't understand fans who say they want us to stay down because they prefer us winning in the Championship. We stay down too long and we'll be at the top-end of League One. Surely clearheaded people want us promoted, even if it means they sit through a lot of defeats next season?
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Re: January Chequebook

Post by Quicknick » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:01 am

cockneyclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:48 am
I don't think SP could seduce Alan like VK did for that cheque book 😂
I don't think Kompany could again.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by cockneyclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:03 am

That’s the spirit.

What do you think the club needs to do then ?
We spent £130m plus last season and ended up with one of the worst seasons for supporters in our history.


The spirit lol it's being truthful..
what do you really think would happen?
We have a mismatched squad and the remaining jewels will leave come Jan or in the summer.
Sadly I haven't a clue what the club should do, it's in a very difficult situation because like last season VKs spending royally f##ked us. Would they ever allow that again?
Like you, I would like to build a stronger squad for another season. Buy wisely and get a togetherness back in the squad like in the SD years.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:09 am

No poster has any idea of the financial situation of the Club - only the owner (Alan Pace) knows
However we need promotion this season to collect the £100 million plus from the Premier League.
It maybe a swift return back to the Championship but we desperately need the promotion for the big cash on offer

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by Spijed » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:09 am

cockneyclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:35 am
It would be an awful watch if we went up, we can barely score in this league let alone the prem!
I couldn't see us winning a single game
While not good to watch at times the current style of play is more likely to have a chance of keeping us up than we ever had under VK.
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Re: January Chequebook

Post by NewClaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:32 am

Spijed wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:09 am
While not good to watch at times the current style of play is more likely to have a chance of keeping us up than we ever had under VK.
The worrying thing is that I really doubt that Spijed.

Despite not conceding goals we’ve gifted many chances each game and premier league teams would take them all. Plus of course the quality of their midfields would create a lot more chances. I see us as far weaker now than we were under VK in year one.

Selling £100m of talent doesn’t help that, nor does the current injury list, but it’ll take a hell of an investment in real athletes to avoid some heavy beatings if we got up.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:34 am

Spijed wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:09 am
While not good to watch at times the current style of play is more likely to have a chance of keeping us up than we ever had under VK.
We might have a good defensive record but against premier league clubs we would have conceded a hell of a lot of goals with some of the chances we have offered teams.

Boro missed 3 sitters second half
Derb missed a sitter last night

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by Spijed » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:38 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:32 am
The worrying thing is that I really doubt that Spijed.

Despite not conceding goals we’ve gifted many chances each game and premier league teams would take them all. Plus of course the quality of their midfields would create a lot more chances. I see us as far weaker now than we were under VK in year one.

Selling £100m of talent doesn’t help that, nor does the current injury list, but it’ll take a hell of an investment in real athletes to avoid some heavy beatings if we got up.
How come teams are not taking their chances against us but are doing so against every other team in the championship? Are we just incredibly lucky this season?

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by NewClaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:51 am

Spijed wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:38 am
How come teams are not taking their chances against us but are doing so against every other team in the championship? Are we just incredibly lucky this season?
I think they probably create a few more against other teams and take a few of a larger number of chances. Derby created 2/3 chances any premier league team would have taken last night, Boro 3 or maybe more not including the one they scored.

Boro certainly create more than 3 against most teams is my point. So it’s not luck, we are doing something right to limit chances, but the chances we do allow would be punished in the premier league without doubt.

Conversely, I also think we’d look better attacking wise against premier league teams as they’d be a lot less defensive.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by RVclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:11 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:51 am
I think they probably create a few more against other teams and take a few of a larger number of chances. Derby created 2/3 chances any premier league team would have taken last night, Boro 3 or maybe more not including the one they scored.

Boro certainly create more than 3 against most teams is my point. So it’s not luck, we are doing something right to limit chances, but the chances we do allow would be punished in the premier league without doubt.

Conversely, I also think we’d look better attacking wise against premier league teams as they’d be a lot less defensive.
Derby created 1 good chance all game let’s not kid ourselves here.

We currently have the 2nd lowest amount / quality of chances created against us in the entire league, so like you say, we are doing something ‘right’.

Teams in the Prem also miss chances, but obviously they are more clinical.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by IanMcL » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:17 pm

blatherwickstattoos wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:50 pm
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Could be the end of the world?

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by kentonclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:47 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:11 pm


Teams in the Prem also miss chances, but obviously they are more clinical.
West Ham played a PL match last week where they took 31 shots (10 on target) had an xG of above 3, had 57 touches in the opponents box and finished up losing the match 3-1.
Doesn’t matter how many touches you have in the opposition box if there’s nobody clinical enough to take the chances on offer.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:09 pm

Get the likes of Delcroix and Tresor off the wage bill, possibly Ekdal. Go all out to find a proper centre forward who is mobile and can run the channels. I honestly don't think we're far off being a decent side.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by leelad » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:12 pm

In an ideal world (with my claret tinted specs on!), I'd like us to go for two strikers. One from a PL team (Ferguson from Brighton - perhaps on a loan for the rest of the season with a view to buying in the Summer if we went up?) and a seasoned Championship striker who can add some physical presence up front (Carlton Morris has been mentioned from Luton which would be a good shout). I can't see Foster making progress with us when he's back from his injury (a loan move would be preferable for me), Jay Rod is in the twilight of his career now and on last night's showing, I don't think SP rates Houtondji. Not sure what Flemming's best position is as yet. What I am getting at (and it will never happen with SP), is that we would look so much better playing with two up front. Think back to Vokes & Ings in the Championship and also Barnes & Wood, Paterson & Thompson? We are covered in defence and in midfield (don't think SP has worked out his preferred midfield pairing by the way), but a strike duo who can play off each other and get into the box and finish off our crosses (when we get a cross into the box) is vital for me. But for the time being, let's get at least one new centre forward in the building to begin with ;-)
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Re: January Chequebook

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:18 pm

IanMcL wrote:
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Could be the end of the world?
As we know it

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by NewClaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:48 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:11 pm
Derby created 1 good chance all game let’s not kid ourselves here.

We currently have the 2nd lowest amount / quality of chances created against us in the entire league, so like you say, we are doing something ‘right’.

Teams in the Prem also miss chances, but obviously they are more clinical.
Derby were one of the worst teams I’ve seen us play but there was definitely more than one chance that a premier league team would’ve taken.

Overall we’ve done okay at limiting chances but I can’t really remember a lot more being created in the VK season when we were also very good going forward.

I am impressed with what Parker is doing defensively don’t get me wrong, but I still would fear for this team in the premier league. I think we’d get pumped lots but then you see Spurs get battered for 4 at the weekend so it wouldn’t just be us!

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by ClaretPete001 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:13 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:48 pm
Derby were one of the worst teams I’ve seen us play but there was definitely more than one chance that a premier league team would’ve taken.

Overall we’ve done okay at limiting chances but I can’t really remember a lot more being created in the VK season when we were also very good going forward.

I am impressed with what Parker is doing defensively don’t get me wrong, but I still would fear for this team in the premier league. I think we’d get pumped lots but then you see Spurs get battered for 4 at the weekend so it wouldn’t just be us!
A good striker would transform this team....

If we win against Derby 2-0 who would be complaining. It would just be a bog standard professional performance against a team who defended deep.

All the anxiety on the pitch and in the stands, the huffing and puffing and the poor decisions in the final third stem from a lack of belief that we are going to score.

What do you do if you are Parker. Play 35 year old Jay Rod twice a week up to the point he's out for the season with one strain or another. Take a risk on Hountondji who based on the evidence so far looks like AN OTHER willing and able runner but with little footballing intelligence.

At least you have a basis of a team here rather than the shambles who turned up on day 1 under VK. The problem is we probably don't have the time and money to shape something for the future.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by DCWat » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:19 pm

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:13 pm
A good striker would transform this team....

If we win against Derby 2-0 who would be complaining. It would just be a bog standard professional performance against a team who defended deep.

All the anxiety on the pitch and in the stands, the huffing and puffing and the poor decisions in the final third stem from a lack of belief that we are going to score.

What do you do if you are Parker. Play 35 year old Jay Rod twice a week up to the point he's out for the season with one strain or another. Take a risk on Hountondji who based on the evidence so far looks like AN OTHER willing and able runner but with little footballing intelligence.

At least you have a basis of a team here rather than the shambles who turned up on day 1 under VK. The problem is we probably don't have the time and money to shape something for the future.
Haaland would struggle to score in this side.

I don’t dispute that a striker is needed, but it’s far from the only problem, offensively.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by NewClaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:35 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:19 pm
Haaland would struggle to score in this side.

I don’t dispute that a striker is needed, but it’s far from the only problem, offensively.
Have to agree on this. I wouldn’t say no to a striker, but the issues lie in midfield and lack of quality creativity.

Still, according to Alan not much is happening in January anyway so not worth discussing too much.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by DCWat » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:41 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:35 pm
Have to agree on this. I wouldn’t say no to a striker, but the issues lie in midfield and lack of quality creativity.

Still, according to Alan not much is happening in January anyway so not worth discussing too much.
I’m hoping that he’s playing his cards close to his chest.

Without some trading, we ain’t going up and we edge ever closer to no parachute payments.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by NewClaret » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:52 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:41 pm
I’m hoping that he’s playing his cards close to his chest.

Without some trading, we ain’t going up and we edge ever closer to no parachute payments.
He seemed pretty adamant to me. Maybe just playing down expectations but I’m nowhere near as hopeful now than I was.

Especially on Tella. I thought he might’ve been an option in January.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by DCWat » Thu Dec 12, 2024 12:08 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:52 pm
He seemed pretty adamant to me. Maybe just playing down expectations but I’m nowhere near as hopeful now than I was.

Especially on Tella. I thought he might’ve been an option in January.
He’d be a real boost, but likely very unrealistic, unfortunately.

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by NewClaret » Thu Dec 12, 2024 12:15 am

DCWat wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2024 12:08 am
He’d be a real boost, but likely very unrealistic, unfortunately.
I always knew it deep down but I suppose the romance makes you hope. Oh well :(
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Re: January Chequebook

Post by It Is What It Is » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:56 am

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:26 pm
Striker
Left back
2 wingers
....plus a keeper.
Ok, JT decent shot stopper but still very indecisive on corners, nowhere near as agile as a keeper should

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Re: January Chequebook

Post by sjb » Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:13 am

It Is What It Is wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:56 am
....plus a keeper.
Ok, JT decent shot stopper but still very indecisive on corners, nowhere near as agile as a keeper should
Rubbish

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