Team for the run in?

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by Billyblah » Mon Mar 03, 2025 9:26 am

BleedingClaret wrote:
Sat Mar 01, 2025 10:35 pm
Flemming?
He is our second highest goal scorer this season (Brownhill being top) so with that in mind unlikely that he wouldn't be included in a team!

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by BleedingClaret » Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:52 pm

Billyblah wrote:
Mon Mar 03, 2025 9:26 am
He is our second highest goal scorer this season (Brownhill being top) so with that in mind unlikely that he wouldn't be included in a team!
That’s my point, my ‘Flemming?’ was in reply to a poster that listed players that shouldn’t play again this season and Flemming was on that list

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by ecc » Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:53 pm

bumba wrote:
Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:56 pm
Hladky, Sonne, Worrall, Shelvey, Pires, Foster, Flemming, Sarmiento.....none of these should play again this season, pick an 11 from what's left but I don't hold out much hope on catching the top 2 or winning the play offs
That's radical.
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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by bumba » Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:02 pm

ecc wrote:
Mon Mar 03, 2025 1:53 pm
That's radical.
They always comes a time when a manager has to be radical to move a club forward

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:17 pm

bumba wrote:
Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:02 pm
They always comes a time when a manager has to be radical to move a club forward
All but one are his signings.

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by bumba » Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:20 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:17 pm
All but one are his signings.
I won't even pretend to know who has the final say on our signings now but off that list Pires and Foster definitely aren't Parkers signings, Sonne said it nearly happened in the summer so was he picked by Parker?
Flemming we've scouted and shown interest before was he Parkers or Paces choice?
I really don't know anymore.

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:24 pm

bumba wrote:
Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:20 pm
I won't even pretend to know who has the final say on our signings now but off that list Pires and Foster definitely aren't Parkers signings, Sonne said it nearly happened in the summer so was he picked by Parker?
Flemming we've scouted and shown interest before was he Parkers or Paces choice?
I really don't know anymore.
I keep reading this, but who do you think signed these players? And if SP didn't want them why does he pick them?

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by CoolClaret » Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:01 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:24 pm
I keep reading this, but who do you think signed these players? And if SP didn't want them why does he pick them?
Recruitment in football is pretty far removed from what it was heck even 10 years ago.

I'm not 100% sure how it works at Burnley, some teams the 'manager' is entirely removed from the recruitment process, other teams they have a veto vote on a prospect, then in other setups they're far more hands on.

SP no doubt vouched and wanted Anthony, Laurent and perhaps even Worrall, but a lot of the other signings I don't think he had much to do with.

Why does he pick them? Well, who else can he pick?

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:13 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:01 pm
Recruitment in football is pretty far removed from what it was heck even 10 years ago.

I'm not 100% sure how it works at Burnley, some teams the 'manager' is entirely removed from the recruitment process, other teams they have a veto vote on a prospect, then in other setups they're far more hands on.

SP no doubt vouched and wanted Anthony, Laurent and perhaps even Worrall, but a lot of the other signings I don't think he had much to do with.

Why does he pick them? Well, who else can he pick?

Well, at the start of the season he could have picked a team with none of this season's signings in it, and he has shown preference for the new signings in most positions.
As you say, recruitment is different these days, but I'd be surprised if any club signed a player the manager really didn't want.

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Mar 04, 2025 12:22 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:13 am
Well, at the start of the season he could have picked a team with none of this season's signings in it, and he has shown preference for the new signings in most positions.
As you say, recruitment is different these days, but I'd be surprised if any club signed a player the manager really didn't want.
Did he? Where are Sambo and Houtondji right now?

You may well be surprised then, Bill. A manager that needs players for his squad can hardly turn his nose up to new signings to fill those positions, but there are definitely instances where a recruitment team gets players that the manager didn't necessarily 'want'.

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by jlup1980 » Tue Mar 04, 2025 12:37 pm

The fact we're still having to play Flemming up front shows the mess we're in. I don't particularly rate the guy, but at least he has a goal threat.

We really are at the point where we need to think about what Foster brings to the table. Is he better than Barnes if played as a striker? Is he better than any of our other wide options? I'd argue not.

The only question for me is CM. Brownhill should be a guaranteed starter, but I think the Cullen, Laurent, Hannibal midfield works well. Add to this how poor JB was at the weekend and it's a tough call to drop either Laurent or Hannibal for him. For me...

Trafford
Roberts CJ Esteve Pires
Cullen Laurent
Edwards Hannibal Anthony
Flemming

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:05 pm

Overseascricketer wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 5:49 pm
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. He wouldn’t get into Leeds team so can’t be the best in the division at that. Has he scored a goal this year by making a late run into the box, or has he already been in the right position? If he has I can’t remember it. Recovery runs are not his strong point, relies on Cullen to mop up all the time which will go unnoticed. Much better team without him in it
... And Brownhill just scored from a late run into the box once again!

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by bumba » Tue Mar 04, 2025 10:08 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:24 pm
I keep reading this, but who do you think signed these players? And if SP didn't want them why does he pick them?
Not actually sure who Parker has signed at a guess I'd say Anthony and Worral but Pires and Hountondji were signed by VK or Pace, even the Barnes signings was Pace I believe.
Isn't Parker just our head coach??

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by Overseascricketer » Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:02 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:05 pm
... And Brownhill just scored from a late run into the box once again!
Good goal. But I think you need to look at what a late run into the box is. Can it ever be a late run into the box when he’s already on the penalty spot when Anthony picks the ball up?

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:19 am

For all those who don't want Brownhill to be in the lineup, please tell me who's going to score the goals we need?
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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by morninbob » Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:32 am

morninbob wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 6:30 am
Trafford
Roberts CJ Steve pires
Cullen Hannibal
Edwards brownhill Anthony
Foster

Laurant to play in tough away games and against sheff utd.
I wasn't far wrong, it's a toss up between foster and Flemming anyway.

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Mar 05, 2025 10:06 am

bumba wrote:
Tue Mar 04, 2025 10:08 pm
Not actually sure who Parker has signed at a guess I'd say Anthony and Worral but Pires and Hountondji were signed by VK or Pace, even the Barnes signings was Pace I believe.
Isn't Parker just our head coach??

Well, if you are right, it could only have been AP as VK left in May.

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by CoolClaret » Wed Mar 05, 2025 10:45 am

Overseascricketer wrote:
Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:02 am
Good goal. But I think you need to look at what a late run into the box is. Can it ever be a late run into the box when he’s already on the penalty spot when Anthony picks the ball up?
Wasn't a classic 'late run into the box', but he's attacking the box from a deeper position, isn't picked up and gets himself into a great area and slots home... Classic Josh Brownhill.

11 goals now for the season for Josh, I don't think any other midfielder comes close to that?
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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by bumba » Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:15 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Mar 05, 2025 10:06 am
Well, if you are right, it could only have been AP as VK left in May.
VK signed Pires and Hountondji before he left, they were already agreed

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:54 pm

bumba wrote:
Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:15 pm
VK signed Pires and Hountondji before he left, they were already agreed
Actually they signed on the 16th and 17th of July, but I get your point about VK being instrumental.

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by dougcollins » Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:35 pm

Is there a boat in your shed, Bill?

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Mar 05, 2025 10:15 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:35 pm
Is there a boat in your shed, Bill?
Not this week, Doug :D Winter break.

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by Claret53 » Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:12 pm

Dear oh dear. The value of Josh Brownhill to the side should be obvious even to folks who are full of opinions but don’t really understand football. For example, his last two goals have shown a high level of technical skill in the finish and put him well ahead of any other player in the league playing in an advanced midfield position.
He’s far more effective played there. Recognise his strengths and play to them. There are others better suited to a deeper role. He is very good when played in the right position.

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by williamw1331 » Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:17 pm

Anybody who would not have Brownhill in their team is clueless. I'm sorry but you don't know your football if you aren't picking him. You lack any football knowledge and any common sense. Him and Cullen are 2 of the first names on the teamsheet. This is basic stuff.

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by bumba » Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:30 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:54 pm
Actually they signed on the 16th and 17th of July, but I get your point about VK being instrumental.
Yes they signed on those dates but the deals had been agreed way before that by VK

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:18 pm

williamw1331 wrote:
Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:17 pm
Anybody who would not have Brownhill in their team is clueless. I'm sorry but you don't know your football if you aren't picking him. You lack any football knowledge and any common sense. Him and Cullen are 2 of the first names on the teamsheet. This is basic stuff.
I think this season yes, it's clear to say that JB is integral to our success - his goals probably account for more match winning points than any other player in the side.

The argument I think people are making is, 'could our balance be better without JB in the XI', which is a fair argument.

I mean, how many people would have thought we'd have performed better after selling Charlie Austin?

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Re: Team for the run in?

Post by BleedingClaret » Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:31 pm

williamw1331 wrote:
Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:17 pm
Anybody who would not have Brownhill in their team is clueless. I'm sorry but you don't know your football if you aren't picking him. You lack any football knowledge and any common sense. Him and Cullen are 2 of the first names on the teamsheet. This is basic stuff.
I think just his goals in a team without prolific goal scorers makes him a first 11 player

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