VAR next season, how do you feel?

[theboydonegood]

I hate it with a passion. I can see it being the reason i stop going. Its reduced competence in refereing as they now rely on it. Its changed the rules of the game to allow it to "work" ... its changed defending for the worse. you now have championship teams havibg to adjust to VAR for FA cup games ffs. I would rather watch Arsenal punch a last minute goal against us than watch VAR controlled games

[Jakubclaret]

People were much more willing to accept humans make mistakes when they’ve seen something once in real time. It’s much harder to accept those mistakes when an incident has been looked at several times, from several angles in slow motion.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Even when incidents are looked at repeatedly & in slow motion it still divides opinion & people don't agree. There is no right or wrong it's how people interpret things. VAR is there to try & get the more contentious decisions right. I would personally scrap it because I preferred the old way but I know eliminating VAR you still wouldn't get people agreeing. No perfect solution exists just 1 perhaps more preferable than the other.

[Goalposts]

Biggest Buzzkill to ever be allowed into any sport. Genuinely ruins live football

[equinox]

I think its fair to say Equinox is a big VAR fan

Has ANY game had a absolute howler as bad as the, let's say off the top of my head, Maradona handball, Lampard over the line, Henry handball (twice), you could even throw in Geoff Hurst '66 (wasn't in), since VAR was introduced?

No.

All the other little niggly incidents which VAR is associated with are subjective and would have been argued regardless.

[Pearcey]

Don’t like VAR and I’m not a fan of the Premier League. The money for the club comes in handy though.

[bodge]

What about the Sheff U goal at Villa that crossed the line equinox ?
Wasn’t as bad as the Lampard one you cite but a blunder nevertheless.

[quoonbeatz]

Has ANY game had a absolute howler as bad as the, let's say off the top of my head, Maradona handball, Lampard over the line, Henry handball (twice), you could even throw in Geoff Hurst '66 (wasn't in), since VAR was introduced?

No.

All the other little niggly incidents which VAR is associated with are subjective and would have been argued regardless.

The liverpool offside at Spurs.

[ChrisG]

Has ANY game had a absolute howler as bad as the, let's say off the top of my head, Maradona handball, Lampard over the line, Henry handball (twice), you could even throw in Geoff Hurst '66 (wasn't in), since VAR was introduced?

No.

All the other little niggly incidents which VAR is associated with are subjective and would have been argued regardless.

The Lampard and Hurst ones are nothing to do with VAR, that's the goal line technology, which I don't think anyone at all has suggest is a bad idea.

[Burnley1989]

Has ANY game had a absolute howler as bad as the, let's say off the top of my head, Maradona handball, Lampard over the line, Henry handball (twice), you could even throw in Geoff Hurst '66 (wasn't in), since VAR was introduced?

No.

All the other little niggly incidents which VAR is associated with are subjective and would have been argued regardless.

Nothing wrong with your opinion, i agree with some of it.

The fact managers like it must hold some weight, but most fans hate it and its 'supposed' to be about them

[IanMcL]

Thats the rule though ... not VAR

I think Wenger has something with it needing to be daylight between the players in question.

Well the rule, before VAR, to linos, was if the players 'looked level', then striker gets benefit of any doubt.

When the TV show incidents, they have the images right away. The pundits debate and often the players are level and they talk about body parts. These are the events which VAR should ignore.

If it is not clear from a rerun, then that's a goal. Instead, they take it to extremes, to prove otherwise. Thus killing the joy of football.

[pureclaret]

How to add a video clip ive been emailed to this post?

[Roosterbooster]

Quite frankly I can't stand VAR and I'm thoroughly cheesed off that it still exists- I don't think it will do anything next season except annoy us all

It could be used properly in theory. Be a proper clear and obvious tool. But it never will be. So I hope it sods off. But it never will

[equinox]

Just wait until next season...smooth as silk.

Embrace it ffs.

Miserable old woman's genitalia.

[fidelcastro]

Just wait until next season...smooth as silk.

Embrace it ffs.

Miserable old woman's genitalia.

Are you ill?

[Elizabeth]

Just wait until next season...smooth as silk.

Embrace it ffs.

Miserable old woman's genitalia.

See a doctor for help

[Woodleyclaret]

The worst a man can get Gillette working VAR ! how did Henderson not get sent off for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity by handling outside his area?VAR is killing football with some incompetent refs taking 10 mins to check the sceens to come to a decision

[alwaysaclaret]

Anyone watching the West ham v forest game, ridiculous, not looking forward to this at all, just said 6 minute's to decide.

[mdd2]

After the second Forest goal and a wait of 6 mins for VAR to pull their finger out No No No No

[alwaysaclaret]

No doubt in my mind when the first still came up was offside, but then to take 6 minutes to allow the goal is just ridiculous, just not consistent.

[dsr]

Well the rule, before VAR, to linos, was if the players 'looked level', then striker gets benefit of any doubt.

When the TV show incidents, they have the images right away. The pundits debate and often the players are level and they talk about body parts. These are the events which VAR should ignore.

If it is not clear from a rerun, then that's a goal. Instead, they take it to extremes, to prove otherwise. Thus killing the joy of football.

Quite. It was specific in the guidance to referees (in Lancashire, at least) when they changed the rules in 1990 or 1991 to make "level" onside instead of offside. Linesmen were told that they were not looking for kneecaps being offside, they were specifically told that "if it looks level, then it is level". It was quite obvious that "level" did not mean to the fraction of an inch, it had a tolerance. (It was even specific in the rules that the change was made to increase the number of goals. Would they have said that if they meant to make an inch or less difference?)

The VAR man should look at a still photo and have 5 seconds to decide. If it's clear who is in front, fair enough. If it isn't clear, then he's level. And don't look at toes and shoulders - look at the torso, like they do in athletics.

[dsr]

Has ANY game had a absolute howler as bad as the, let's say off the top of my head, Maradona handball, Lampard over the line, Henry handball (twice), you could even throw in Geoff Hurst '66 (wasn't in), since VAR was introduced?

No.

All the other little niggly incidents which VAR is associated with are subjective and would have been argued regardless.

So stop using VAR for niggly incidents and restrict it to absolute howlers. Does anyone seriously think the Forest game was improved by the 6 minute delay to confirm a goal? Does anyone seriously think it would have been improved by a 6 minute delay to disallow it, when it was perfectly legal until this imaginary change in the laws a few years ago?

[ollieclarets8]

VAR isn't the problem. It's the people who operate it. They are the problem.

[Jakubclaret]

The worst a man can get Gillette working VAR ! how did Henderson not get sent off for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity by handling outside his area?VAR is killing football with some incompetent refs taking 10 mins to check the sceens to come to a decision

Because it was deemed not be a obvious goal scoring opportunity hence no red card. It still begs the question why didn't he get a yellow & why wasn't city awarded a free kick just outside the box which I believe would have been the correct outcome. The pundits opinions hold as much value as the everyday man on the street although that said a 60% majority felt henderson should have been sent off. We can't claim opinions to be facts because people view & interpret things differently.

[Elizabeth]

I would be very surprised if anyone is happy with VAR in its present state. As I can't see any signs of there being the necessary major surgery that it needs I am not looking forward to it in the slightest.

[Taffy on the wing]

The system they use in the champions league for offside would be an improvement, much quicker & less open to skullduggery......some unbiased, competent officials would also help.
.........in general i hate it!

[Elizabeth]

When I see a striker about to toe poke the ball past the goalkeeper towards an open goal, but can't because the goalkeeper uses his hands outside the box to push the ball away to the side out of the striker's reach, you have to give up. Showpiece FA Cup Final and two VAR officials sat together in the same room can't work out what is a goalscoring opportunity and what isn't. People can't even use corruptness in this case

[ollieclarets8]

I would be very surprised if anyone is happy with VAR in its present state. As I can't see any signs of there being the necessary major surgery that it needs I am not looking forward to it in the slightest.

Do you not think it's down to how people interpret it? I find no problem with it and it's a brilliant idea. People are the problem.

[jojomk1]

Do you not think it's down to how people interpret it? I find no problem with it and it's a brilliant idea. People are the problem.

Exactly
The lines drawn are accurate for pens or offside - goal line tech seems ok
The people making personal decisions are the fault - the Henderson debacle on Sat being a classic case

[Elizabeth]

Do you not think it's down to how people interpret it? I find no problem with it and it's a brilliant idea. People are the problem.

Football is a sport that is so subjective that you have to be prepared to support the people given the job of interpreting incidents.
So from that starting mindset it shows what a mess these people are making of it when you cannot give them the benefit of the doubt. They have been basically useless on so many occasions that you can't help thinking they are a clique that needs dismantling.
Only if and when this happens will the general supporter support VAR in this country.

[dsr]

Because it was deemed not be a obvious goal scoring opportunity hence no red card. It still begs the question why didn't he get a yellow & why wasn't city awarded a free kick just outside the box which I believe would have been the correct outcome. The pundits opinions hold as much value as the everyday man on the street although that said a 60% majority felt henderson should have been sent off. We can't claim opinions to be facts because people view & interpret things differently.

That's an easy question to answer. It wasn't given as a free kick outside the box and no yellow card was given because the referee didn't see it, and VAR doesn't deal with free kicks and yellow cards.

[ŽižkovClaret]

They ironed out all the errors, what is not to like? and its all so quick now!

[Jakubclaret]

That's an easy question to answer. It wasn't given as a free kick outside the box and no yellow card was given because the referee didn't see it, and VAR doesn't deal with free kicks and yellow cards.

Yes I know that, I meant in an ideal world that would have been sufficient enough of a punishment for me. He never saw it & like you say VAR didn't have the jurisdiction.

[IanMcL]

Quite. It was specific in the guidance to referees (in Lancashire, at least) when they changed the rules in 1990 or 1991 to make "level" onside instead of offside. Linesmen were told that they were not looking for kneecaps being offside, they were specifically told that "if it looks level, then it is level". It was quite obvious that "level" did not mean to the fraction of an inch, it had a tolerance. (It was even specific in the rules that the change was made to increase the number of goals. Would they have said that if they meant to make an inch or less difference?)

The VAR man should look at a still photo and have 5 seconds to decide. If it's clear who is in front, fair enough. If it isn't clear, then he's level. And don't look at toes and shoulders - look at the torso, like they do in athletics.

It was certainly the torso that a lino looks at. How can they look at anything else.
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[dsr]

It was certainly the torso that a lino looks at. How can they look at anything else.
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Exactly. Below the PL, they still do (I would hope) because trying to judge toes at that speed is impossible. VAR looks at toes and shoulders and bouffant hairstyles, which the linesman can't do and which explains why the lino has to delay his (ultimately guesswork) decision.

[IanMcL]

Exactly. Below the PL, they still do (I would hope) because trying to judge toes at that speed is impossible. VAR looks at toes and shoulders and bouffant hairstyles, which the linesman can't do and which explains why the lino has to delay his (ultimately guesswork) decision.

Perhaps the 'auto offside' system might sort that.