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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by Bacchus » Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:16 pm

The most frustrating thing about the first yellow card was that he only has to make the challenge because Oliver ignored an obvious foul on Ekdal. The amount of pushing Liverpool got away with when the ball was in the air was ridiculous.
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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by JohnMac » Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:24 pm

Nobody but ourselves to blame really following a tremendous showing. The Premier League Is brutal enough without gifting injury time penalties.
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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by Stayingup » Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:25 pm

BobbyBoucher wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 4:07 pm
Let's not do a sky here. No argument with the penalty , nailed on. The issue was the sending off. Oliver was desperate to do that. Sky make nothing of it (they won't and of course it won't matter anyway), but why did Slot feel the need to remove his full back on 35mins and apologises to him on the way off. The reason because as usual Oliver bottles the decision. We should have been playing against 10men from 35mins if that is the measure.
And bear in mind that's on the turf, good help us at Anfield we won't even get 70/30 balls there. Bl***y fuming
Irrespective of the sending off and the penalty I thought Oliver had a poor game today and his sometimes difficult to understand decisions went Liverpools way. We were superb.
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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by Stayingup » Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:28 pm

Bacchus wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:16 pm
The most frustrating thing about the first yellow card was that he only has to make the challenge because Oliver ignored an obvious foul on Ekdal. The amount of pushing Liverpool got away with when the ball was in the air was ridiculous.
It seems now that hands wrapped around players and pushing are not punishable and Liverpoil did a lot of it. They didn't deserve to.win today. We have some good players now
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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by basil6345789 » Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:35 pm

Tribesmen wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 4:06 pm
Just lost for words why he put his arm out .
Must be thick

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by Robbie_painter » Sun Sep 14, 2025 7:12 pm

basil6345789 wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:35 pm
Must be thick
He’s jumped and turned his back to try and block the cross and his arms have come out,if you’ve played football you’d know.Must be thick is a shitty comment.

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by Juan Tanamera » Sun Sep 14, 2025 7:31 pm

Holmechapel wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:02 pm
If Oliver was so dead against us he could have given Liverpool a pen instead of booking the guy for diving.
That was right below where I sit and I reckon Oliver would be to embarrassed to have given that.

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by Targetman » Sun Sep 14, 2025 7:38 pm

Holmechapel wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:02 pm
If Oliver was so dead against us he could have given Liverpool a pen instead of booking the guy for diving.

You have got to be joking surely?? :lol:

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by No Ney Never » Sun Sep 14, 2025 8:12 pm

What's with blaming Oliver? we were on for a point and Hannibal f#cked it, simple as.

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by manuelbenny » Sun Sep 14, 2025 8:29 pm

I personally don't think it was handball. I think football has tied itself up in knots with handball. Handball should be for deliberate use of the arm or hand to control the ball. Hannibal went to block the ball and u can't just cut your arms off. He wasn't even looking at the ball

All this was his arm in an unnatural position nonsense...I know what is unnatural, defenders trying to defend with their arms behind their backs...

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sun Sep 14, 2025 8:43 pm

manuelbenny wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 8:29 pm
I personally don't think it was handball. I think football has tied itself up in knots with handball. Handball should be for deliberate use of the arm or hand to control the ball. Hannibal went to block the ball and u can't just cut your arms off. He wasn't even looking at the ball

All this was his arm in an unnatural position nonsense...I know what is unnatural, defenders trying to defend with their arms behind their backs...
Sadly, those running the game, particularly, UEFA and FIFA, have gone down the track that now almost any touch of the ball with the arm or hand has to be deemed a deliberate act and a penalty awarded.
They have messed around with the interpretaion of The Laws of the Game so much since VAR was introduced that it is almost impossible not to award a penalty, if you follow their interpretation.
I am in total agreement with you about defending with arms behind your back, it is totally unnatural, however, the authorities disagree with us.
Anyone who has played the game and officiated knows that if you jump to head a ball or try to block a ball your arms move according to your action, however, they have totally ignored this fact.
I used to mentor young referees because of my playing and officiating at semi-pro level, however, with the onset of VAR and the changes of interpretation of the Laws I gave it up as a bad job because the majority of young officials always brought up VAR, even though it had no relevance to their level of refereeing. Sadly, many pack in after a few games.
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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by No Ney Never » Sun Sep 14, 2025 8:45 pm

BobbyBoucher wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 4:07 pm
Let's not do a sky here. No argument with the penalty , nailed on. The issue was the sending off. Oliver was desperate to do that. Sky make nothing of it (they won't and of course it won't matter anyway), but why did Slot feel the need to remove his full back on 35mins and apologises to him on the way off. The reason because as usual Oliver bottles the decision. We should have been playing against 10men from 35mins if that is the measure.
And bear in mind that's on the turf, good help us at Anfield we won't even get 70/30 balls there. Bl***y fuming
What has Oliver got to do with Hannibal gifting them 3 and losing us the draw?

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by warksclaret » Sun Sep 14, 2025 8:46 pm

We will get much tougher decisions go against us than that penalty. If it had been us and the ref had not given it, we would be uncontrollable tonight, slating the ref

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by manuelbenny » Sun Sep 14, 2025 9:02 pm

The game has tied itself up in knots regards handball and offside. Hannibal jumped. You can't jump without using your arms. Imagine doing the fosbury flop without using your arms.
Offside was originally introduced to stop players "babylining"..now we have a system where a player's toenail is offside. Offside wasn't invented for that. The rule should if any part of body which you can score with is onside, it's onside. Why is the game doing it's best to impede attacking play and scoring goals. It's a joke

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by ecc » Sun Sep 14, 2025 10:06 pm

Didn't see the game. Followed the first-half on here. Went out knowing we'd have lost. But bloody cruel to see 94th minute penalty.

However, the comments seem to be unanimous. SP has got set up to give it a good go. And keep our pride. The fans will take defeat more easily if we've done our best.

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Sep 14, 2025 10:11 pm

No Ney Never wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 8:45 pm
What has Oliver got to do with Hannibal gifting them 3 and losing us the draw?
Hannibal did not intentionally "handle" the ball.
Admittedly he shouldn't have turned his back, but he had no idea that the ball would hit his elbow.

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by No Ney Never » Mon Sep 15, 2025 5:48 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 10:11 pm
Hannibal did not intentionally "handle" the ball.
Admittedly he shouldn't have turned his back, but he had no idea that the ball would hit his elbow.
He didn't have to intentionally handle the ball, in raising his arm he made himself bigger.

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by dushanbe » Mon Sep 15, 2025 7:38 am

The ridiculous current interpretation of handball will alter again at some point and we’ll find ourselves back 360 to where we were a few years ago when there was a controversial handball decision every game……

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Re: Heartbreaker

Post by Ric_C » Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:14 am

When I play football in 7 a side, sometimes the ball hits my hand in the box and I haven't a clue where the ball is or how it happened. Sometimes performing certain movement like lunging to block, or jumping up make your arms naturally move outwards. The law is an absolute nightmare with handball, and will over time favour the better teams as they do most of the attacking. I'm not even sure Hannibal knew he was inside the box.

It's an absolute gut punch, especially as there was a cast iron throw in given the wrong way near the Bob Lord / Jimmy Mac side on 93 minutes that would have allowed us to see out the game.

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