more planned alterations at Turf Moor

[alwaysaclaret]

You didn't, but how would you be a straggler 90 minutes before kick off, which is when the players arrive, or are you talking about after the game?

Well I wouldn't, which was exactly my point when I said "come out" in my post, so if you read the post in the first place instead of persistently trying to fall out whilst defending the club's every move even though it's not been fully thought out, you'd have realised when I was referring to. So to go back to my original post, to have thousands of fan's battling past 2 of the opposing team's coaches parked absolutely stupidly in the middle of the walkway, for the sake of 20 or so fan's catching a glimpse of presumably the Liverpool team boarding their coach seems a little bit ill thought out and a waste of time to me.

[Big Vinny K]

If you mean the words in the planning application, the club have to provide a supporting application form. The club are just paying the planning agents to do their job. It won’t have cost them any more or less to include this context as part of the application.

If you mean that the player arrival stuff is nonsense, I think it’s one of the few things that’s really good about the new plans - and long overdue.

It’s obviously aimed at kids but to give young children from Burnley access to see the biggest football stars in the world up close, maybe get their autograph, etc is a fantastic experience for them and commendable thing for the club to do.

No i don’t mean the words in the planning application - of course.
Personally I don’t think it’s a great idea. It will inconvenience a lot more fans than those who turn up in my view. For those that turn up they’ve got almost another 3 hours before the kick off.

If kids or adults want to get a close up view of their favourite Burnley players there’s other ways to do this. You can visit Gawthorpe and the majority of players are happy to stop and sign stuff on their way in or out. Fans used to wait at the car park after games to see players too.

This would not inconvenience thousands of fans either.

But this is just my opinion and it’s fine for people to think it’s a good idea. My view is that the club would be far better focusing on getting the basics of fan / customer experience right before this kind of stuff. Really basic things like improving the toilets for girls and women, the catering, ticketing…..the things that impact the majority not a small minority.

[Big Vinny K]

Well I wouldn't, which was exactly my point when I said "come out" in my post, so if you read the post in the first place instead of persistently trying to fall out whilst defending the club's every move even though it's not been fully thought out, you'd have realised when I was referring to. So to go back to my original post, to have thousands of fan's battling past 2 of the opposing team's coaches parked absolutely stupidly in the middle of the walkway, for the sake of 20 or so fan's catching a glimpse of presumably the Liverpool team boarding their coach seems a little bit ill thought out and a waste of time to me.

It’s tiresome isn’t it ?
If the club started serving dog sh-it sandwiches and making it mandatory for all fans to wear blackburn shirts he’d find some way of defending them.

[NewClaret]

No i don’t mean the words in the planning application - of course.
Personally I don’t think it’s a great idea. It will inconvenience a lot more fans than those who turn up in my view. For those that turn up they’ve got almost another 3 hours before the kick off.

If kids or adults want to get a close up view of their favourite Burnley players there’s other ways to do this. You can visit Gawthorpe and the majority of players are happy to stop and sign stuff on their way in or out. Fans used to wait at the car park after games to see players too.

This would not inconvenience thousands of fans either.

But this is just my opinion and it’s fine for people to think it’s a good idea. My view is that the club would be far better focusing on getting the basics of fan / customer experience right before this kind of stuff. Really basic things like improving the toilets for girls and women, the catering, ticketing…..the things that impact the majority not a small minority.

Why will it inconvenience fans? The new player arrival routine is a separate to the away fan relocation/re-routing.

Busses arrive 90 minutes before KO so the fans gathering leave before the main crowds arrive.

Obviously Gawthorpe remains an option for Burnley players (I also think the club should make a dedicated picture/autograph area instead of that shabby planted area by security), but let’s be honest - kids want to see Salah, VVD, etc when they’re in town.

Really don’t see how the club can take any criticism for this element of the changes. They’re fantastic for kids and a really good addition for them.

Not disputing other things could also be worked on, but that should be possible alongside steps forward like this.

[Row x]

Well I wouldn't, which was exactly my point when I said "come out" in my post, so if you read the post in the first place instead of persistently trying to fall out whilst defending the club's every move even though it's not been fully thought out, you'd have realised when I was referring to. So to go back to my original post, to have thousands of fan's battling past 2 of the opposing team's coaches parked absolutely stupidly in the middle of the walkway, for the sake of 20 or so fan's catching a glimpse of presumably the Liverpool team boarding their coach seems a little bit ill thought out and a waste of time to me.

My original post which you responded to was in relation to the arrival of the coaches, no mention of anything else, yet you responded about only 20 by the coaches was a completely different event than was being discussed....some 4hrs later. And you wonder why I questioned it.

[Row x]

It’s tiresome isn’t it ?
If the club started serving dog sh-it sandwiches and making it mandatory for all fans to wear blackburn shirts he’d find some way of defending them.

Another falls into the trap
Have a look where I've been critical of....
Catering
Tickets
Cricket field moves
Loyalty points

You'll find plenty of posts, I've asked others to do it, and guess what, they've gone quiet, I guess you'll be the same

[alwaysaclaret]

Another falls into the trap
Have a look where I've been critical of....
Catering
Tickets
Cricket field moves
Loyalty points

You'll find plenty of posts, I've asked others to do it, and guess what, they've gone quiet, I guess you'll be the same

Ever thought they might have gone quiet because they just can't be bothered.

[Row x]

Ever thought they might have gone quiet because they just can't be bothered.

No
Most probably realised what they were saying was wrong

A bit like you jumping on a conversation about players arriving, and think its about players leaving just so you can be critical of the set up.

[Big Vinny K]

Another falls into the trap
Have a look where I've been critical of....
Catering
Tickets
Cricket field moves
Loyalty points

You'll find plenty of posts, I've asked others to do it, and guess what, they've gone quiet, I guess you'll be the same

You need to take a break from this board.
You seem to want to post on every single thread and reply to everyone. Is it not a bit exhausting for you arguing all the time ?

Seriously log out for a few days. You’ll feel better.

[Row x]

You need to take a break from this board.
You seem to want to post on every single thread and reply to everyone. Is it not a bit exhausting for you arguing all the time ?

Seriously log out for a few days. You’ll feel better.

What a condescending post

All from somebody who only joined the conversation to throw abusive, false accusations

[GetIntoEm]

I really don't get the negativity.

I get that some people want to turn up 5mins before with their flask and butties they've made at home, but that's not reflective of how premier league clubs operate these days

The player arrivals are great for kids, and not just to see Burnley players, to see world stars they've only seen on TV. They love it.

It's a great thing for the club to do, and on par with prem clubs, and some championship clubs even.

All this talk of inconvenience is ridiculous, the last few games have shown that the new entry and exit plan hasn't been any great ordeal. Everyone gets in, everyone gets out. No crushes, no broken ankles, no deaths. I get that some people are resistant to change and want the old small town club feeling, but that's not where we are at, unless we want to get left behind.

We need to operate on that level.

Same with the catering complaints, if you don't like the offering, don't use it. There's no gun to your head, there's plenty of places before and after to get food or a pint. It's 90mins, there's nobody on earth who can't go 90mins without shoving something in your face

I think people get fed up with the constant "find a dig" at the club mentality on here, when it's not reflective of the real world.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I really don't get the negativity.

I get that some people want to turn up 5mins before with their flask and butties they've made at home, but that's not reflective of how premier league clubs operate these days

The player arrivals are great for kids, and not just to see Burnley players, to see world stars they've only seen on TV. They love it.

It's a great thing for the club to do, and on par with prem clubs, and some championship clubs even.

All this talk of inconvenience is ridiculous, the last few games have shown that the new entry and exit plan hasn't been any great ordeal. Everyone gets in, everyone gets out. No crushes, no broken ankles, no deaths. I get that some people are resistant to change and want the old small town club feeling, but that's not where we are at, unless we want to get left behind.

We need to operate on that level.

Same with the catering complaints, if you don't like the offering, don't use it. There's no gun to your head, there's plenty of places before and after to get food or a pint. It's 90mins, there's nobody on earth who can't go 90mins without shoving something in your face

I think people get fed up with the constant "find a dig" at the club mentality on here, when it's not reflective of the real world.

Some of the complaints are tiresome, but the new exit plan needs to be judged over a length of time. It was very slow getting from the Longside upper to the front of the ground on Sunday and I can't see how there won't be issues once people are leaving and it is dark, let alone when temperatures drop and there are areas with ice on the ground.

[Barlickclaret]

I really don't get the negativity.

I get that some people want to turn up 5mins before with their flask and butties they've made at home, but that's not reflective of how premier league clubs operate these days

The player arrivals are great for kids, and not just to see Burnley players, to see world stars they've only seen on TV. They love it.

It's a great thing for the club to do, and on par with prem clubs, and some championship clubs even.

All this talk of inconvenience is ridiculous, the last few games have shown that the new entry and exit plan hasn't been any great ordeal. Everyone gets in, everyone gets out. No crushes, no broken ankles, no deaths. I get that some people are resistant to change and want the old small town club feeling, but that's not where we are at, unless we want to get left behind.

We need to operate on that level.

Same with the catering complaints, if you don't like the offering, don't use it. There's no gun to your head, there's plenty of places before and after to get food or a pint. It's 90mins, there's nobody on earth who can't go 90mins without shoving something in your face

I think people get fed up with the constant "find a dig" at the club mentality on here, when it's not reflective of the real world.

Brilliant post, that's exactly how 90% of people on here think.
Cheers.

[dougcollins]

Brilliant post, that's exactly how 90% of people on here think.
Cheers.

Where do you sit?

I can tell you that nowhere near 90% of people in the North Stand would agree.

Try talking to the people who really have been inconvenienced rather than just the people around you.

[GetIntoEm]

Where do you sit?

I can tell you that nowhere near 90% of people in the North Stand would agree.

Try talking to the people who really have been inconvenienced rather than just the people around you.

What is the real inconvenience that you've experienced? Not being funny, just interested.

Plenty of my group are in the north stand, and none have raised any major issues, so would be interested in other opinions

[Walton]

We went from having people moaning about Ormerod Yard being a dark and dangerous deathtrap in the winter to having people moaning about not being able to use a dark and dangerous deathtrap in the winter.

[RammyClaret61]

Same with the catering complaints, if you don't like the offering, don't use it. There's no gun to your head, there's plenty of places before and after to get food or a pint. It's 90mins, there's nobody on earth who can't go 90mins without shoving something in your face

But you forget that we have fans who can’t go 90 min without a beer. Can’t go without a cigarette. Can’t go 90 min without taking drugs
Regarding the catering, I read it’s more about the service. You need to go down 10 minutes before, then miss 10 min of the second half. That’s if you can even get what you want.

[dibraidio]

Is there anything stopping the club from putting a turnstile or gate on the North wall to give access for pedestrians to Chichester Close or another point leading to Holcombe Drive? I appreciate that the residents may not appreciate hundreds of people walking past on a match day but would the club need planning permission?

[Burnley1989]

But you forget that we have fans who can’t go 90 min without a beer. Can’t go without a cigarette. Can’t go 90 min without taking drugs
Regarding the catering, I read it’s more about the service. You need to go down 10 minutes before, then miss 10 min of the second half. That’s if you can even get what you want.

I can only speak for the JMc Upper but I go down on half time and Im served in a max 5 minutes, the pies have improved and I quite enjoy them now (if a little soggy) the beers not great but I dont always have one and a plastic cup always ruins a beer anyway so I cant be too critical.

It will all depend on where you sit, I imagine the beers sales are nothing like the James Hargreaves and Cricket field stand as its more of a family area, so the queues are smaller.

[Barlickclaret]

Where do you sit?

I can tell you that nowhere near 90% of people in the North Stand would agree.

Try talking to the people who really have been inconvenienced rather than just the people around you.

We sit in JMU, and we park on belvedere Rd, but walking round wasn't an issue, and with the road closed at Wellington traffic lights the traffic getting away was easier.

[dougcollins]

Like a substantial number of other people, I don't walk in from town, but down Belvedere Road.
I used to walk down Omerod Yard and use the first entrance for the North Stand Lower concourse.
Now I have to walk around the entire ground to achieve the same. I'm arthritic and not as young as I was.
But there are plenty of others, fitter and younger than me, who are not at all happy about the arrangement.

[The Shire Claret]

I can only speak for the JMc Upper but I go down on half time and Im served in a max 5 minutes, the pies have improved and I quite enjoy them now (if a little soggy) the beers not great but I dont always have one and a plastic cup always ruins a beer anyway so I cant be too critical.

It will all depend on where you sit, I imagine the beers sales are nothing like the James Hargreaves and Cricket field stand as its more of a family area, so the queues are smaller.

I'm in the same stand and I think it is better too but I think it's also down to a lot of people no longer bothering to buy whats on offer for the prices they are selling it at.

[GetIntoEm]

Like a substantial number of other people, I don't walk in from town, but down Belvedere Road.
I used to walk down Omerod Yard and use the first entrance for the North Stand Lower concourse.
Now I have to walk around the entire ground to achieve the same. I'm arthritic and not as young as I was.
But there are plenty of others, fitter and younger than me, who are not at all happy about the arrangement.

Why not just walk through the houses and come out at the Jimmy Mac stand? Be quicker and easier than walking all the way around

[alwaysaclaret]

I'm in the same stand and I think it is better too but I think it's also down to a lot of people no longer bothering to buy whats on offer for the prices they are selling it at.

I agree, extortion.

[dougcollins]

Why not just walk through the houses and come out at the Jimmy Mac stand? Be quicker and easier than walking all the way around

It's not so easy when you're a bit unsteady.

I used to walk that way when we were on the Beehole!

[Jel]

It might be shite to you, but a lot love it.....I won't be attending any bus arrival, but others will and think its great

Just say that next season when Real Madrid are rolling up!

[Burnley1989]

I'm in the same stand and I think it is better too but I think it's also down to a lot of people no longer bothering to buy whats on offer for the prices they are selling it at.

It did cross my mind.
I chanced it against Sunderland and the Meat and Potato pies were half decent so I had another last week against Liverpool, will I manage to get lucky three weeks in a row on Saturday...

[GetIntoEm]

It's not so easy when you're a bit unsteady.

I used to walk that way when we were on the Beehole!

It's pavement and tarmac all the way down, and quiet. Arguably easier that walking through the crowds the other way

[dougcollins]

It's pavement and tarmac all the way down, and quiet. Arguably easier that walking through the crowds the other way

I've tried it.

It doesn't work for me.

And it's anything but quiet after the game.

[Les Lawrence]

Maybe Burnley should change all the alterations, because it doesn't work for Doug

[dougcollins]

Maybe Burnley should change all the alterations, because it doesn't work for Doug

Very helpful Les, thanks.

[Clovius Boofus]

I'm all for criticism where criticism is warranted, however, there are some who jump on anything and everything. If the current board offered every season ticket holder a 18ct gold coin, we'd have posts complaining it wasn't 22ct.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I'm all for criticism where criticism is warranted, however, there are some who jump on anything and everything. If the current board offered every season ticket holder a 18ct gold coin, we'd have posts complaining it wasn't 22ct.

Always found that Burnley folk in general love a moan. It can be endearing, it can also be infuriating, especially when they tend to do the square root of f**k all to help change whatever they are griping about.

[ŽižkovClaret]

New Fan Zone attraction 2 quid a go. See how hard you can kick a football at a carboard cutout of Alan Pace on the back wall of the old sports hall. Winner gets a pie (Subject to stocks)

[Leisure]

New Fan Zone attraction 2 quid a go. See how hard you can kick a football at a carboard cutout of Alan Pace on the back wall of the old sports hall. Winner gets a pie (Subject to stocks)

Winner will need to claim the pie well before ht

[JohnMac]

Fans who use the Cricket Club or pubs on Yorkshire Street, Plumbe Street, Oxford Road and watch from the James Hargreaves now find it difficult to leave at 10/15 minutes before kick off. In fact it's almost impossible now without missing the start.

It isn't some thing that bothers me personally, I'm old enough to make my own decisions but the whole thing smacks of a ploy to get people to use the Fan Zone at the expense of local businesses.

[Clovius Boofus]

Always found that Burnley folk in general love a moan. It can be endearing, it can also be infuriating, especially when they tend to do the square root of f**k all to help change whatever they are griping about.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[GetIntoEm]

Fans who use the Cricket Club or pubs on Yorkshire Street, Plumbe Street, Oxford Road and watch from the James Hargreaves now find it difficult to leave at 10/15 minutes before kick off. In fact it's almost impossible now without missing the start.

It isn't some thing that bothers me personally, I'm old enough to make my own decisions but the whole thing smacks of a ploy to get people to use the Fan Zone at the expense of local businesses.

Leave a bit sooner?

[Clovius Boofus]

New Fan Zone attraction 2 quid a go. See how hard you can kick a football at a carboard cutout of Alan Pace on the back wall of the old sports hall. Winner gets a pie (Subject to stocks)

No, no. no. It would only be a modern pie. They'd want a pie made of lard and tripe, like great grandma used to make.

[randomclaret2]

Fans who use the Cricket Club or pubs on Yorkshire Street, Plumbe Street, Oxford Road and watch from the James Hargreaves now find it difficult to leave at 10/15 minutes before kick off. In fact it's almost impossible now without missing the start.

It isn't some thing that bothers me personally, I'm old enough to make my own decisions but the whole thing smacks of a ploy to get people to use the Fan Zone at the expense of local businesses.

The days of leaving the pub 10 mins before kick off and being in your seat on time are long gone. Not a problem in the 4th Division days of course.

[Enola Gay]

A business trying to maximise its own revenue by getting people to use the services it provides. Is there no end to our board’s despicable skullduggery…

[JohnMac]

Leave a bit sooner?

Like I said, it doesn't bother me personally, I'm in my seat long before kick off. A lot of people have had the same routine for decades, the Club know this and can use these changes to their advantage. Other Clubs have moved supporters around but without the need to implement one way pedestrian systems.

[JohnMac]

The days of leaving the pub 10 mins before kick off and being in your seat on time are long gone. Not a problem in the 4th Division days of course.

It's probably a Burnley thing really.

[JohnMac]

A business trying to maximise its own revenue by getting people to use the services it provides. Is there no end to our board’s despicable skullduggery…

I don't think this change will alter the mindset of those who drink in those places I mentioned. I'm all for improvements but this is a little bit strange when compared to other Clubs that have moved fans within their ground.

[Elizabeth]

Like I said, it doesn't bother me personally, I'm in my seat long before kick off. A lot of people have had the same routine for decades, the Club know this and can use these changes to their advantage. Other Clubs have moved supporters around but without the need to implement one way pedestrian systems.

I don't know but do you know if the one way system is going to be permanent?
Have the club come out in a statement to say so, with no further discussion full stop
The only thing I've seen is a comment from a FAB member saying FAB wanted it up for discussion at their next meeting with the board because it needed updating. That may be helpful but we will have to wait and see
I ignore the negative comments against FAB on UptheClarets because I suspect some of it is orchestrated. It's not perfect but its the best communication we have with the owners at the present time

[jrgbfc]

Fans who use the Cricket Club or pubs on Yorkshire Street, Plumbe Street, Oxford Road and watch from the James Hargreaves now find it difficult to leave at 10/15 minutes before kick off. In fact it's almost impossible now without missing the start.

It isn't some thing that bothers me personally, I'm old enough to make my own decisions but the whole thing smacks of a ploy to get people to use the Fan Zone at the expense of local businesses.

Of course! If you take the kids down stupidly early to watch the players arrive then not much option other than going in the Fan zone.

[JohnMac]

I don't know but do you know if the one way system is going to be permanent?
Have the club come out in a statement to say so, with no further discussion full stop
The only thing I've seen is a comment from a FAB member saying FAB wanted it up for discussion at their next meeting with the board because it needed updating. That may be helpful but we will have to wait and see
I ignore the negative comments against FAB on UptheClarets because I suspect some of it is orchestrated. It's not perfect but its the best communication we have with the owners at the present time

Because the Club didn't introduce it as a temporary measure I can only assume this is here to stay. The timing of releasing this information was very poor too with rumour and counter rumour going around as we approached the start of the Home fixtures. I can understand a lot of what they want to achieve, kids seeing the players up close, players facing the Board members, their guests and dignitaries before kick off etc.

I just don't get the re-routing of fans without there being an agenda.

[Row x]

Of course! If you take the kids down stupidly early to watch the players arrive then not much option other than going in the Fan zone.

I've only been inside the fanzone once, but it seemed geared up for kids, so they and their parents might prefer it there than anywhere outside the ground

[Les Lawrence]

If only they sold stimrol chewy again,and you were watched by a certain individual in the bee hole urinals,hahaha if you know you know

[Row x]

If only they sold stimrol chewy again,and you were watched by a certain individual in the bee hole urinals,hahaha if you know you know

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