Would you vote the same again?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:57 pm

Perhaps a better question would be, if there was to be a vote again would those in favour of remaining stick with the tactic of calling anybody of a different view a racist, a knuckle dragger or thick or any other buzz phrase used in the build up or would they try and explain why it would be so better to remain.

Who knows maybe you have even made 3% vote the other way with your constant superior complex and how you understand things so much better than others and had you not done this you could have won.

Those he keep harping on about it isn't fair due to 48% voting to remain, had the result been 52% in their favour not once would this be used as a reason to declare it an unfair result.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:57 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Yep Leave all the way for me.

The less politicians involved with decisions for our country the better.

*fewer

Grammatical errors aside, you do realise that the whole fiasco is now being handled entirely by politicians assembled by an unelected PM without reference to our elected parliament? It's about as far from representative or democratic as it could get. The public and its elected representatives have literally no say in what form Brexit will take - we just get to watch and wait. Still, Brexit really showed those politicians who's boss, didn't it?

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:58 pm

i'm not in the habit of voting to do economic and social damage to our country so i'd definitely still vote to remain. the divisions it has served to increase are pretty grim.

i think the result would be very different as well.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:01 pm

claretdom wrote:Perhaps a better question would be, if there was to be a vote again would those in favour of remaining stick with the tactic of calling anybody of a different view a racist, a knuckle dragger or thick or any other buzz phrase used in the build up or would they try and explain why it would be so better to remain.

Did anybody actually accuse all Leave voters of being racist or is it just a complex that they seem to have developed?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:02 pm

They are plenty of worldwide businesses waiting to do business with GB..once we are rid of these mad tarrifs.

So,should be a peice of p!$$ anyway.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:03 pm

Dazzler wrote:They are plenty of worldwide businesses waiting to do business with GB..once we are rid of these mad tarrifs.

So,should be a peice of p!$$ anyway.

Boris? Is that you?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:05 pm

Bacchus wrote:*fewer

Grammatical errors aside, you do realise that the whole fiasco is now being handled entirely by politicians assembled by an unelected PM without reference to our elected parliament? It's about as far from representative or democratic as it could get. The public and its elected representatives have literally no say in what form Brexit will take - we just get to watch and wait. Still, Brexit really showed those politicians who's boss, didn't it?

Since when do our MPs vote the way their public would like.

There is no doubt Julie Cooper voted remain despite Burnley having a 78% leave vote.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:07 pm

Oh bugger!

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:14 pm

Yes, leave.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:16 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Since when do our MPs vote the way their public would like.

There is no doubt Julie Cooper voted remain despite Burnley having a 78% leave vote.

1. Did Julie Cooper hold a separate referendum in Burnley prior to the referendum to ascertain what percentage of her electorate wanted to "leave". She could only vote as she thought would be in the best interests of the town and its inhabitants. She had nothing to gain or lose by voting either way, and her vote was worth just one, like mine and yours, so I don't see the problem.
2. There is a massive problem with you statistics though. Where on earth does the 78% figure come from?. And why did you make it up?

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:19 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Since when do our MPs vote the way their public would like.

There is no doubt Julie Cooper voted remain despite Burnley having a 78% leave vote.

Do we really have to get into the mechanics of how a representative democracy works? Are you actually suggesting that an unelected PM appointing a small, unaccountable team (for all the wrong reasons) to shape the future of the country is a great leap forward for democracy?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:19 pm

Dazzler wrote:Read this somewhere before the referendun and copied it.

referendum campaign, what it was really all about.

"The EU referendum campaign, as rough and ugly as it has sometimes been, is the best thing to have happened to British politics in a generation.

Ha, I was pretty sure after reading the first couple of lines that this would be by Brendan O'Neill. He's pretty much a professional contrarian on whatever subject is in the news at the time (someone I know used to work for Spiked, the website he edits, so I've had the misfortune of seeing a lot of his "work" pop up).

I notice that his article in the Telegraph blaming the Anders Breivik mass killing on multiculturalism has now been pulled from their site.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:21 pm

- tariffs...the most misspelt word since time began, all those years ago..

tariff not tarrif [or even worse..tarriff]...how many times..?

ps. not having a go at anybody..

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:22 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Where on earth does the 78% figure come from?

It was 66.6%.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36614758" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Im_not_Robbie_Blake · Post by **Im_not_Robbie_Blake** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:30 pm

I voted to remain and would do the same again. However, in a democracy we go along with what the majority want, so Brexit it is for me!

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:38 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:- tariffs...the most misspelt word since time began, all those years ago..

tariff not tarrif [or even worse..tarriff]...how many times..?

ps. not having a go at anybody..

Why mention it then ?

Anyway,I take it you've all seen this ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:39 pm

Dazzler wrote:Most Politicians overlooked the fact that some of us still have a backbone and want our country back.

Back from where?

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:41 pm

Bacchus wrote:Do we really have to get into the mechanics of how a representative democracy works? Are you actually suggesting that an unelected PM appointing a small, unaccountable team (for all the wrong reasons) to shape the future of the country is a great leap forward for democracy?

Prime Minister isn't an elected position

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:42 pm

We don't own it.we pay rent.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:44 pm

No way I'd vote different.

Cleaning up the money on the margins in this volatile equities market is like taking money off a baby.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:52 pm

Despite your constant condemnation of Teresa May not being elected Bacchus the previous incumbent walked out on the position despite saying he would respect the result and act in the best interests of the electorate.

And as all this happened in between general elections somebody had to lead the Tory party and automatically become PM.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:03 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:I love paying more for my diesel and food, and paying more to go on a weeks holiday to Spain. What's not to like?

The point about paying more to go on Holiday is a good one..... And this is something the Europeans need to consider when they try play "Hard Ball" with the UK when the article 50 ball starts rolling. The UK are a massive contributor to many European countrys Tourism industries, I for one will not visit Europe next year as there's better value to be had elsewhere.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:13 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Despite your constant condemnation of Teresa May not being elected Bacchus the previous incumbent walked out on the position despite saying he would respect the result and act in the best interests of the electorate.

And as all this happened in between general elections somebody had to lead the Tory party and automatically become PM.

You are, of course, technically correct but in reality the leader of a party and the likely cabinet is a big part of what people are voting for (probably a bigger consideration than the diligence of their local candidates.) If that isn't the case why do the media make such a song and dance about Jeremy Corbyn, a sitting MP of 33 years, being unelectable? It is a simple fact that May has never won an election as prospective PM.

So given that we now have a new PM and a cabinet that is barely recognisable from the one elected only a year earlier it's perfectly reasonable to question the democratic legitimacy of them running away in a direction that appears to be wildly different from the manifesto that the party campaigned on and not even referring the issue to Parliament.

While I might have cut corners in framing the point, it definitely still stands.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:25 pm

Bacchus wrote:You are, of course, technically correct but in reality the leader of a party and the likely cabinet is a big part of what people are voting for (probably a bigger consideration than the diligence of their local candidates.) If that isn't the case why do the media make such a song and dance about Jeremy Corbyn, a sitting MP of 33 years, being unelectable? It is a simple fact that May has never won an election as prospective PM.

So given that we now have a new PM and a cabinet that is barely recognisable from the one elected only a year earlier it's perfectly reasonable to question the democratic legitimacy of them running away in a direction that appears to be wildly different from the manifesto that the party campaigned on and not even referring the issue to Parliament.

While I might have cut corners in framing the point, it definitely still stands.

I totally understand the point you make Bacchus but due to Cameron walking and Osborne roaring like a mouse the current situation was/is unavoidable no matter who or how we acquired our current PM.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:27 pm

That's a point against the UK political system in general, though, Bacchus. Not against this particular circumstance.

May - appointed by MPs.
Cameron - appointed by a coalition of MPs.
Brown - appointed by MPs
Blair - won an election
Major - appointed by MPs
Thatcher - won an election
Callaghan - appointed by MPs.

Of the last 7 PMs, only two first got the job by winning a majority at a general election.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:35 pm

Bacchus wrote:Did anybody actually accuse all Leave voters of being racist or is it just a complex that they seem to have developed?

It's a complex many of them have.

I'd vote remain again with stronger conviction the second time around since almost every promise from the Leave campaign was walked back within days of them winning.
I c\an't think of a single thing that Leave didn't walk back. No extra NHS money. No curbing of immigration from the EU to here. No access to the single market on our own terms. We'd still have to pay about as much into the EU if we wanted to trade with it.

Do any Leave voters want to help me out with one thing they voted for that hasn't been walked back?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:38 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Despite your constant condemnation of Teresa May not being elected Bacchus the previous incumbent walked out on the position despite saying he would respect the result and act in the best interests of the electorate.

And as all this happened in between general elections somebody had to lead the Tory party and automatically become PM.

I would say that Cameron could not both respect the result of the referendum and continue as PM. His every move would have been scrutinised by Brexiteers and he would have been under constant suspicion. In effect once he lost, his position was untenable, and he soon realised this
But getting back to May. I don't have an issue with her being elected PM by her own party. (It's quite possible after all that a PM could die in office and I don't think this should trigger a General Election).
However, where I and many others have a serious issue is that May and her knew cabinet seem to be acting as though the 2015 Tory manifesto no longer applies to them. Change of party leader leading to automatic promotion to PM should not give a new cabinet the right to ditch pre-election promises.(It would be totally different if she had become leader of the opposition).

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:38 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Since when do our MPs vote the way their public would like.

There is no doubt Julie Cooper voted remain despite Burnley having a 78% leave vote.

MPs have absolutely no obligation to the public that elected them when casting their own personal votes.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:39 pm

[Edit] wrong thread

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:40 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'd vote remain again with stronger conviction the second time around since almost every promise from the Leave campaign was walked back within days of them winning.
I c\an't think of a single thing that Leave didn't walk back. No extra NHS money. No curbing of immigration from the EU to here. No access to the single market on our own terms. We'd still have to pay about as much into the EU if we wanted to trade with it.

Do any Leave voters want to help me out with one thing they voted for that hasn't been walked back?

The one about the Prime Minister and Chancellor stopping on, with an emergency budget abolishing child allowance and adding umpty pence on income tax? Oh no, that wasn't one of theirs, was it.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:45 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:MPs have absolutely no obligation to the public that elected them when casting their own personal votes.

They might not, but the point I am making is the chances of every man and his dog having his say on Brexit in the commons working out best for the working man is slim at best.

They will argue what's best for them and their political career rather than who they represent.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:48 pm

I think I would vote remain again. In fact for certain.

I feel some of the arguments used in the leave campaign aren't turning out
to be what many folk may have imagined.
The one that concerns me the most is the 'take back control' issue which was centred
around sovereignty and the right for us to govern ourselves.
There may be nothing wrong with that in principal but the way in which it is being put
into practice at present suggests 'take over control'.

Theresa May appears to be taking a very hard line and even though we do not know what the
negotiated deal may be it seems as if she will plow ahead with it irrespective of whether it is a good or bad deal.
Time will tell on that but if it turns out to be a bad deal - ie. no or limited trade deals but control on numbers
coming in to the country from Europe in particular then it's not difficult to envisage the country free falling into
economic troubles.

The signs are already there with the fall of the pound to almost record levels and the pressure that will and is having
on everyday prices for all of us - food, petrol and energy are all likely to rise significantly.
House prices are likely to fall also and hate crimes have risen significantly too.
Almost three months on we don't seem to have much of an idea what we want out of leaving.

If, in another 12 months or so, we're all facing pretty significant increases in prices of most of the things we buy
then I suspect a few leavers may well be having second thoughts.
We currently import much more than we export so even though the falling pound will help exporters
it will also mean we are paying more for what we buy in unless we suddenly stop buying in.
Unless we can reduce the trade deficit by a large amount then we're all going to be worse off.

The NHS is in crisis and needs more funding. Social care for both the young and elderly is also close to crisis
with insufficient homes/places for the elderly. Most if not all local authorities are having to make big cuts
in their budgets over the next few years which will mean a deterioration in a number of services they can offer.
Tax revenues are also expected to fall over the next few years and many overseas companies are
seriously considering whether to continue investing in the UK or, in some cases, whether to pull out all together.
None of the above is good news for a country that wishes to go it alone.

However, what amazes me is that there hasn't been, as far as I can see, any positive follow up from the government
or any of the leave supporters.

No campaign for the country to buy British, for example.
Nothing as such but get us out.

And as quite a few of those who May has empowered to do the deal seem to be saying or suggesting.
It'll be 'alright on the night' stuff. Once we're out all will be well, wont it?

One has to be a pretty naive optimist to believe any of that.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:58 pm

Dazzler wrote:The quote was referring to politicians in the main not just the General Public.
Read it again.

Do you think if the 'political elite' would have been slightly more in favour of leave then the British public would have stuck it to them by voting 52% to remain?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:59 pm

"No campaign for the country to buy British"

Wouldn't that be deemed racist these days ?

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:04 pm

Dazzler wrote:Most Politicians overlooked the fact that some of us still have a backbone and want our country back.

Back from what? From where? From whom????

A reason without reasoning is no reason at all...

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:04 pm

By whom? Dazzler.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:06 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:I totally understand the point you make Bacchus but due to Cameron walking and Osborne roaring like a mouse the current situation was/is unavoidable no matter who or how we acquired our current PM.

The situation regarding the individuals holding office might be unavoidable. Blatant disregard for the manifesto they were elected on and assuming they can interpret the referendum result and shape the future of the country however they see fit without referring to Parliament is entirely avoidable.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:06 pm

jurek wrote:I think I would vote remain again. In fact for certain.

I feel some of the arguments used in the leave campaign aren't turning out
to be what many folk may have imagined.
The one that concerns me the most is the 'take back control' issue which was centred
around sovereignty and the right for us to govern ourselves.
There may be nothing wrong with that in principal but the way in which it is being put
into practice at present suggests 'take over control'.

Theresa May appears to be taking a very hard line and even though we do not know what the
negotiated deal may be it seems as if she will plow ahead with it irrespective of whether it is a good or bad deal.
Time will tell on that but if it turns out to be a bad deal - ie. no or limited trade deals but control on numbers
coming in to the country from Europe in particular then it's not difficult to envisage the country free falling into
economic troubles.

The signs are already there with the fall of the pound to almost record levels and the pressure that will and is having
on everyday prices for all of us - food, petrol and energy are all likely to rise significantly.
House prices are likely to fall also and hate crimes have risen significantly too.
Almost three months on we don't seem to have much of an idea what we want out of leaving.

If, in another 12 months or so, we're all facing pretty significant increases in prices of most of the things we buy
then I suspect a few leavers may well be having second thoughts.
We currently import much more than we export so even though the falling pound will help exporters
it will also mean we are paying more for what we buy in unless we suddenly stop buying in.
Unless we can reduce the trade deficit by a large amount then we're all going to be worse off.

The NHS is in crisis and needs more funding. Social care for both the young and elderly is also close to crisis
with insufficient homes/places for the elderly. Most if not all local authorities are having to make big cuts
in their budgets over the next few years which will mean a deterioration in a number of services they can offer.
Tax revenues are also expected to fall over the next few years and many overseas companies are
seriously considering whether to continue investing in the UK or, in some cases, whether to pull out all together.
None of the above is good news for a country that wishes to go it alone.

However, what amazes me is that there hasn't been, as far as I can see, any positive follow up from the government
or any of the leave supporters.

No campaign for the country to buy British, for example.
Nothing as such but get us out.

And as quite a few of those who May has empowered to do the deal seem to be saying or suggesting.
It'll be 'alright on the night' stuff. Once we're out all will be well, wont it?

One has to be a pretty naive optimist to believe any of that.

Brexit cannot not be blamed for Food Energy and Petrol prices rising. These prices have been constantly on the rise for absolutely years, ok they've risen again but they would have risen again had we remained, a reason would have been found,, they would have risen even if we hadn't had the bl00dy referendum in the first place

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:07 pm

lucs86 wrote:Do you think if the 'political elite' would have been slightly more in favour of leave then the British public would have stuck it to them by voting 52% to remain?

No

The reason some MP's wish to remain is so they can seek a nice cushy very well paid job for life in Brussels or Strasbourg.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:14 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Brexit cannot not be blamed for Food Energy and Petrol prices rising. These prices have been constantly on the rise for absolutely years, ok they've risen again but they would have risen again had we remained, a reason would have been found,, they would have risen even if we hadn't had the bl00dy referendum in the first place

The current "weak" state of the pound is directly related to the vote outcome, and as a result imports are more expensive. Given that the vast majority of our food, energy and petrol comes from abroad, it is absolutely logical that they are more expensive because of the referendum result.
Of course prices have been increasing for years, that is because of inflation - an essential mchanism of the worlds economy. The point is that we are seeing sudden price hikes, and these are mainly due to the effects of the vote.
It is of course, however, good for British exporters, provided the free market remains open.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:18 pm

Dazzler wrote:No

The reason some MP's wish to remain is so they can seek a nice cushy very well paid job for life in Brussels or Strasbourg.

MPs don't have jobs in Brussels or Strasbourg. MEPs might, but I seem to remember a huge number of our MEPs are Eurosceptics, and want out of the EU. The facts completely contradict your argument

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:19 pm

66..seeing as you ask

I mentioned it, showing the correct spelling, in the forlorn ridiculous belief that in future anybody using that word might spell it properly.

Was that not obvious?

OdihamClaret · Post by **OdihamClaret** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:23 pm

I would vote again to remain but I do not support a 2nd referendum. The people have spoken, we must leave. However...

I support those in parliament who at least want to shape the terms of our exit strategy.
Contrary to swivel eyed outers such as Fox, Davis and Redwood, there is no common position amongst the leave camp and because of that, even now 3 months post vote, there is no plan. According to the serious press, even a green paper outlining Brexit strategy that was being considered for release at the start of October was dumped because no more than a single side of A4 could be agreed by ministers.

Rees Mogg's view of parliamentary primacy and return of powers to the UK parliament is one thread of thought that has chimed with many Leave voters, it would seem an approach that is completely counter to this view if the PM sought now to bypass parliament.

If we are to Leave based on the prospectus of return of parliamentary sovereignty, the least the UK government can do is seek parliamentary examination and approval of its general negotiation strategy (not details to give our hand away), before negotiations start.
Parliament should be allowed to vote on the negotiation approach, for instance, whether the UK gov't should pitch for a variation of continued single market participation, or, a clean break WTO rules + whatever transitional deal that can be won.

Nothing is lost or given away to EU spies in such a parliamentary question/vote, The EU will discover the UK government's direction of travel 5 mins into the first UK/EU discussion. Without such parliamentary pre talks examination, parliament will have to discover the UK gov'ts approach from the press post 1st Brexit talks - not acceptable in my view.

Finally, It's a bit rich Leave voters calling remain voters "Moaners". Many on the right of the Leave camp have done nothing but moan for the last 43 years whilst we have been members of the EEC/EU. They now see how irritating their moaning was to us Remainers.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:24 pm

Dazzler wrote:Why mention it then ?

Anyway,I take it you've all seen this ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0

A one-sided view on a hugely complex system.
Many aspects of the film are true, but many others are based on opinion, when in fact the truth lies very much in the middle of the 2 sides' arguments. Many people seem to believe one side or the other, and didn't have the time or information to arrive at an accurate representative view of what the EU actually is, how it works, or how it benefits / restricts us. Many remainers believe the vote outcome was based on inaccurate information, or people voted to leave for the wrong reasons. The outcome may in fact turn out to be beneficial for the UK, but as far as many can see, there have been no signs to suggest this yet.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:27 pm

More good news Miss Krankie is giving the jocks another go.

Surely this time they will vote yes

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:28 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:The point about paying more to go on Holiday is a good one..... And this is something the Europeans need to consider when they try play "Hard Ball" with the UK when the article 50 ball starts rolling. The UK are a massive contributor to many European countrys Tourism industries, I for one will not visit Europe next year as there's better value to be had elsewhere.

Where's that , America,Australia,Canada ?

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:28 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:The current "weak" state of the pound is directly related to the vote outcome, and as a result imports are more expensive. Given that the vast majority of our food, energy and petrol comes from abroad, it is absolutely logical that they are more expensive because of the referendum result.
Of course prices have been increasing for years, that is because of inflation - an essential mchanism of the worlds economy. The point is that we are seeing sudden price hikes, and these are mainly due to the effects of the vote.
It is of course, however, good for British exporters, provided the free market remains open.

The rise in the prices of those essentials isn't just down to inflation in fact inflation is just a small one of numerous reasons. When the pound was strong the prices still increased and guess what they were still imported into the country. The reason these essentials are constantly on the rise is down to greed opportunism and they are an easy target for government and corporate revenue streams. They will always be targeted and on the rise brexit or not.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:31 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Brexit cannot not be blamed for Food Energy and Petrol prices rising. These prices have been constantly on the rise for absolutely years, ok they've risen again but they would have risen again had we remained, a reason would have been found,, they would have risen even if we hadn't had the bl00dy referendum in the first place

Prices have risen because of the falling pound

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:36 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:The rise in the prices of those essentials isn't just down to inflation in fact inflation is just a small one of numerous reasons. When the pound was strong the prices still increased and guess what they were still imported into the country. The reason these essentials are constantly on the rise is down to greed opportunism and they are an easy target for government revenue streams. They will always be targeted and on the rise brexit or not.

When the pound was strong prices still increased...

Because of inflation.

The reason the prices are constantly on the rise...

Is because of inflation.

They have risen quicker than inflation, despite the Government not altering taxation levels...

BECAUSE OF THE BREXIT VOTE!!!

OdihamClaret · Post by **OdihamClaret** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:37 pm

ClretDom,
I can agree with you on that. The Scots will probably vote out of the Union this time. If the UK overall can vote Leave from the EU, despite the clear and demonstrable net negative economic effect (at least in near-mid term), then why would the Scots not consider an Out of the Union vote despite the clear and demonstrable net negative impact on the Scot's economy, especially as they appear to be 62/38 in favour of EU membership. It probably won't secure continued EU membership for them but probably at some stage the EU will allow them back in.