Incident in London

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:56 pm

claretandy wrote:Not voting for the terrorist supporting surrender monkey Corbyn for a kickoff.

Because Teresa May is doing such a great job in stopping the terrorists in their tracks by laying off all those coppers and ignoring the warnings from the ones that remain?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:57 pm

Yeh but she's not a surrender monkey apparently.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:59 pm

claretandy wrote:Not voting for the terrorist supporting surrender monkey Corbyn for a kickoff.

Which person you backing to stop the next one?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:06 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Hi BOT,
I'm glad we cleared that up, and you obviously know a bit about this, but I think it has to be understood that having a 90% muslim population does not make you immune from Islamic terror, (ISIS, Daesh or whatever). Don't forget that Syria is 70% muslim.
Indonesia has had more than its fair share of terrorist problems, but by all accounts they are getting on top of it.

No I'm not saying that they are immune to it, what I mean is that it's easier to deal with when you have such a high proportion of the same religious group. Besides the human rights in that country can't be compared to here.

The problems in Syria are more complex than just a load of nutty Muslims going around killing folk.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:12 pm

UKIP have the policies, more police, more prison officers and more border guards, but it's a wasted vote.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:15 pm

"A group of British volunteers fighting Isis in Syria have called on the UK to vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

The socialist members of the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) and its International Freedom Battalion backed the Labour leader’s controversial comments on foreign policy following the Manchester attack.

In a statement sent to indy100 they said:

Only Jeremy Corbyn knows the way to stop Isis - through a foreign policy that cuts off their funding and supplies at the source.

Only he has been outspoken in his condemnation of the oppression of Kurds in the Middle East at this crucial time, with the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces about to defeat Isis in their capital of Raqqa.

The longer Theresa May is Prime Minister, the less safe everybody is, both here in Syria and back home in the UK."

https://www.indy100.com/article/british ... 17-7771246" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:18 pm

Spiral wrote:Why f.ucking well ask them to condemn it, then, if it doesn't wash with you?

Where have I asked for their condemnation?

Some dialogue with them maybe.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:20 pm

bluelabrador16 wrote:"A group of British volunteers fighting Isis in Syria have called on the UK to vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

The socialist members of the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) and its International Freedom Battalion backed the Labour leader’s controversial comments on foreign policy following the Manchester attack.

In a statement sent to indy100 they said:

https://www.indy100.com/article/british ... 17-7771246" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I prefer this indy article into armed forces mood on the matter.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 09742.html

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:25 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I prefer this indy article into armed forces mood on the matter.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 09742.html

You'd prefer a military coup as opposed to a democratically elected PM...?

Ok then.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:27 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:You'd prefer a military coup as opposed to a democratically elected PM...?

Ok then.

Sure, why not? We haven't had a good coup in years.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:36 pm

I prefer the views of these Army Force Veterans Of Northern Ireland:

"Prime Minister Theresa May : All these terrorist attacks are unconnected"

"Yep we are screwed ! She is totally bonkers.

Meanwhile, the 'Hereford Hooligans'/SAS were deployed again."

http://northwestnationalists.blogspot.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Terror in Britain: What Did the Prime Minister Know?

"The unsayable in Britain’s general election campaign is this. The causes of the Manchester atrocity, in which 22 mostly young people were murdered by a jihadist, are being suppressed to protect the secrets of British foreign policy.
Critical questions – such as why the security service MI5 maintained terrorist “assets” in Manchester and why the government did not warn the public of the threat in their midst – remain unanswered, deflected by the promise of an internal “review”.....

..Why was Abedi able to travel freely through Europe to Libya and back to Manchester only days before he committed his terrible crime? Was Theresa May told by MI5 that the FBI had tracked him as part of an Islamic cell planning to attack a “political target” in Britain?
In the current election campaign, the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has made a guarded reference to a “war on terror that has failed”. As he knows, it was never a war on terror but a war of conquest and subjugation. Palestine. Afghanistan. Iraq. Libya. Syria. Iran is said to be next. Before there is another Manchester, who will have the courage to say that?"

http://johnpilger.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NWN: It's starting to get out what has been going on in South Manchester

http://northwestnationalists.blogspot.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mrpotatohead · Post by **Mrpotatohead** » Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:39 am

We'll struggle to defeat Islamist extremism no matter what path we choose, but it is made all the more difficult when a number of the Muslim community continue to believe that these attacks are orchestrated by the government and not by religious extremists.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:53 am

On the subject of bollards, it's recently been the trend in London to try and remove a lot of railings and the like from the end of roads. They were involved in a number of deaths and serious injuries for cyclists as they they were getting trapped between railings and vehicles. There is also the theory that opening the roads up (i.e. removing barriers) slows down drivers and makes them more careful as there is less of a physical separation between the road and pavement/pedestrians.

There are areas, such as the Emirates stadium and a variety of areas through London where bollards have been incorporated into the design (the big Arsenal letters are designed to stop a lorry driven at 50MPH).

It looks like some temporary measures are also being implemented, this was Waterloo Bridge this morning.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:47 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:you really are far too simplistic, your attitude towards the issue is exactly why we have an issue

I'm trying to imagine a worse responce you could have made to a perfectly reasonable post that brings up real concerns and problems with such suggestions, but I can't.

You say that if someone has a load of "pro isis stuff" on their computer then we should change the law so that that is enough to convict and imprison them. I offer a bunch of examples why someone might have such materials innocently, and i also point out that all such laws would do is criminalise those who have it innocently, particularly those who study such materials in order to fight it in their mosques and communities, while doing nothing to put away those who use the internet to anonymously view such materials, and you have the nerve to say that i'm the one being too simplistic?

**** off mate.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:20 pm

I would think there would be a great difference in materials found on a radicalised person compared to those trying to fight it - like bomb making etc etc.
Either way, we aren't going to agree on this and I can't be bothered arguing the toss with you on here, far more important things to do today

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:36 pm

I haven't seen the exact figures but is it around 4000 people in this country being monitored for links to Islamic extremism, and they will be being monitored with good reason I would imagine.

I also see the that some people believe we should not name the perpetrators of such atrocities so as not to give them the status they may crave.

I would actually do the exact opposite, I would name all the 4000 on the list and let us all keep our ******* eyes on the grubby little *****. If they've nothing to hide then no problem. And we would all be working together Christians, Muslims, ******* Rovers fans the lot.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:43 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:I would think there would be a great difference in materials found on a radicalised person compared to those trying to fight it - like bomb making etc etc.
Either way, we aren't going to agree on this and I can't be bothered arguing the toss with you on here, far more important things to do today

Well you said "pro isis stuff" which isn't the same as possession of bomb-making instructions. "pro isis stuff" implies text of some kind. And literally anyone is allowed to learn how to make bombs. You're just not allowed to do it, and i'm pretty sure getting curious about it and looking how "how to make a bomb", while having no intention to do it, will get you put on some kind of watchlist. Perhaps another reason to not start executing people just because they're on a list.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:14 am

Why do we never hear what jobs these terrorists do? Do they not work?
Why don't the government make the 3000 militants on our streets unable to work, then make them unable to claim any benefits.
Then if anybody helps them out or pays there way we treat then the same way. It'd leave them no option but to leave the country or give us a bigger insight in to which people help these guys out.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:27 am

bumba wrote:Why do we never hear what jobs these terrorists do? Do they not work?
Why don't the government make the 3000 militants on our streets unable to work, then make them unable to claim any benefits.
Then if anybody helps them out or pays there way we treat then the same way. It'd leave them no option but to leave the country or give us a bigger insight in to which people help these guys out.

Be honest now. You want them to blow themselves up in our streets, don't you? That is the only reasonable explanation for you making such a suggestion that will so obviously turn these people into terrorists.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:28 am

Good point by piers Morgan, if you go abroad and get in bother at a football match then you have your passport confiscated. If you go abroad for jihad, then you get your own TV show.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:37 am

Yeah, because football hooligans have never had documentaries made about their hooliganism.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:51 am

bumba wrote:Why do we never hear what jobs these terrorists do? Do they not work?
.

Bit of a strange point to make in the context that one of the recent terrorists - whose name I refuse to post - has been described as a Ex-KFC and London Tube worker, whilst one of the others is described as a pastry chef.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:27 am

Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship…

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

– Hermann Goering as told to Gustav Gilbert during the Nuremberg trials

saw this quote from Goering on Facebook doing the rounds, it really does make me think about who is pulling the strings at the moment. The following is also present in social media, now I know its a Tommy Robinson video but if this is happening I am a little worried about the propaganda being spewed out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aytKLPT ... e=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am less worried about this though, I dont see the same connections between the policeman and the terrorist on the floor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXEgMfe0vRc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:58 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yeah, because football hooligans have never had documentaries made about their hooliganism.

They do have their passports confiscated and have to report to the police though.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:24 am

The third attacker has been named in the Italian press. The met police have not released the name to British press for security reasons , so the BBC have quoted the name of the person from Italian press.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:39 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yeah, because football hooligans have never had documentaries made about their hooliganism.

Every club in this country was banned from playing in Europe due to the actions of a few

Burnley fans aren't allowed to make their own travel arrangements to an away game at Blackburn due to the actions of a few

Some people this week across the country will get a letter this week telling them not to travel to Scotland this weekend or face arrest and possible jail sentences even if having no desire to cause trouble

Some people are forced to attend a police station when England are playing away games others are told to hand in their passport

I can imagine your outrage if this was imposed on people of a race rather than fans of a sport.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:43 am

Wouldn't you be outraged if the government said that white people aren't allowed to attend a football game because a few other white people commited some crimes?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:44 am

You do like to bring colour into things quite a lot.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:45 am

claretdom wrote:You do like to bring colour into things quite a lot.

You literally mentioned "race".

"I can imagine your outrage if this was imposed on people of a race rather than fans of a sport."

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:49 am

race = 1 colour ?

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:06 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote: Be honest now. You want them to blow themselves up in our streets, don't you? That is the only reasonable explanation for you making such a suggestion that will so obviously turn these people into terrorists.

So that would turn those people in to terrorists? Obviously all Muslims have terrorist tendencies is what your saying?

Personally see that as a way for law abiding Muslims to get those Muslims they claim to disagree with out of there community to make it a safer country for all law abiding citizens in the UK.

Does that mean if we asked people to not help peadophiles out then we'd all turn in to peadophiles rather than grass them up?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:13 pm

claretdom wrote:race = 1 colour ?

That's an impressively stupid question to ask.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:13 pm

bumba wrote:So that would turn those people in to terrorists? Obviously all Muslims have terrorist tendencies is what your saying?

Not as impressive as this one though, claretdom.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:21 pm

I asked the question as you said "You literally mentioned race" when I asked why colour had come into it.

Imagine creating such a deluded state of mind you convince yourself to be an expert on all matters. No wonder people tire of you quickly.

Chip Harrison · Post by **Chip Harrison** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:29 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Not as impressive as this one though, claretdom.

I'm new to this forum and am quite impressed by the sheer volume of people that post on here. I tend not to contribute to any of the varied forums I visit, I just like keep in touch.

But the one thing I do know is I have not seen on any other forum someone as quick as IP to pounce on any reply by any poster.

He doesn't seem to contribute much to any thread, but exists just to comment on the last post in a mainly negative way. Is he trying to show us how clever he is, or how much in touch with current affairs he is.

I enjoy coming on here, but this guy is spoiling it for me and I suspect a few others.

Cue a rant from IP now picking this to bits, which I suppose will prove my point.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:33 pm

Chip Harrison wrote:I'm new to this forum and am quite impressed by the sheer volume of people that post on here. I tend not to contribute to any of the varied forums I visit, I just like keep in touch.

But the one thing I do know is I have not seen on any other forum someone as quick as IP to pounce on any reply by any poster.

He doesn't seem to contribute much to any thread, but exists just to comment on the last post in a mainly negative way. Is he trying to show us how clever he is, or how much in touch with current affairs he is.

I enjoy coming on here, but this guy is spoiling it for me and I suspect a few others.

Cue a rant from IP now picking this to bits, which I suppose will prove my point.

You managed to spell my initials wrong, twice.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:40 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You managed to spell my initials wrong, twice.

How do you know he was referring to you then?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:41 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:How do you know he was referring to you then?

He quoted me.

Mrpotatohead · Post by **Mrpotatohead** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:48 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He quoted me.

IT, before the other thread was deleted this morning you asked me why i thought part of the Muslim community believed that there was some sort of government conspiracy surrounding Islamist terror attacks. The video had been removed from You Tube, which I posted shortly before the thread was removed. It currently cropped up on my Facebook feed, again. It's back on You Tube at the following link along with plenty of other bullsh1t hoax theories but as I and a few others had pointed out, normal, respectable and educated people genuinely believe this to be the case.

https://youtu.be/ampLXJzWVc8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:05 pm

Greenmile wrote:Because Teresa May is doing such a great job in stopping the terrorists in their tracks by laying off all those coppers and ignoring the warnings from the ones that remain?

I don't think reducing the number of police officers has had anything to do with what these fundamentalist nutters have done. Counter terrorism funding has not been reduced and the extra 1 or 2 extra coppers on each shift will not make a jot of a difference to eradicating terrorism. Run of the mill street crime maybe, but not this stuff.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:09 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:I don't think reducing the number of police officers has had anything to do with what these fundamentalist nutters have done. Counter terrorism funding has not been reduced and the extra 1 or 2 extra coppers on each shift will not make a jot of a difference to eradicating terrorism. Run of the mill street crime maybe, but not this stuff.

Your everyday copper gets to know the members of his or her community, and are far likely to become aware of people being radicalised (hence stopping these attacks before they happen) than some counter-terrorism unit.

And what about accusing the police forces who warned her something like this would happen of "crying wolf"?

Edit to add link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32806520" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:10 pm

Mrpotatohead wrote:IT, before the other thread was deleted this morning you asked me why i thought part of the Muslim community believed that there was some sort of government conspiracy surrounding Islamist terror attacks. The video had been removed from You Tube, which I posted shortly before the thread was removed. It currently cropped up on my Facebook feed, again. It's back on You Tube at the following link along with plenty of other bullsh1t hoax theories but as I and a few others had pointed out, normal, respectable and educated people genuinely believe this to be the case.

https://youtu.be/ampLXJzWVc8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah, you replied to my question and I explained why you were a fruitcake, along with providing a link myself. But if you don't believe it the I suppose I at least got that wrong. But anyone who does is a doolally loonbat moon cake.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:16 pm

Greenmile wrote:Your everyday copper gets to know the members of his or her community, and are far likely to become aware of people being radicalised (hence stopping these attacks before they happen) than some counter-terrorism unit.

And what about accusing the police forces who warned her something like this would happen of "crying wolf"?

I understand your point but the vast majority of that sort of information comes from the community, we agree, but not to the local PC on the street but through counter terrorism hotlines.

It wasn't police cuts that caused these, or are to blame for what happened in Paris, Berlin, Nice, Brussels etc

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:19 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:I understand your point but the vast majority of that sort of information comes from the community, we agree, but not to the local PC on the street but through counter terrorism hotlines.

It wasn't police cuts that caused these, or are to blame for what happened in Paris, Berlin, Nice, Brussels etc

I suspect most coppers would probably disagree with you (I have no proof or evidence of this claim, admittedly).

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yeah, you replied to my question and I explained why you were a fruitcake, along with providing a link myself. But if you don't believe it the I suppose I at least got that wrong. But anyone who does is a doolally loonbat moon cake.

How did you manage to get the 120 Imams thread deleted? Congratulations on that.

I come home from work and it's gone, can't you just behave while the rest of us are at work?

I was quite looking forward to continuing wiping the floor with you, shame.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:26 pm

morpheus2 wrote:How did you manage to get the 120 Imams thread deleted? Congratulations on that.

I come home from work and it's gone, can't you just behave while the rest of us are at work?

I was quite looking forward to continuing wiping the floor with you, shame.

No idea.

Edit: wait, you think you've been...

that's cute.

Mrpotatohead · Post by **Mrpotatohead** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:26 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yeah, you replied to my question and I explained why you were a fruitcake, along with providing a link myself. But if you don't believe it the I suppose I at least got that wrong. But anyone who does is a doolally loonbat moon cake.

Ah, well I was at a place called work, it tends to prevent me from keeping a 24hr tab on this board. As such I didn't see your reply before the thread was pulled. I Don't believe this stuff so I'm assuming you don't think I'm a fruitcake? Or am I fruitcake for believing that some Muslims think this is a conspiracy against them?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:28 pm

Mrpotatohead wrote:Ah, well I was at a place called work, it tends to prevent me from keeping a 24hr tab on this board. As such I didn't see your reply before the thread was pulled. I Don't believe this stuff so I'm assuming you don't think I'm a fruitcake? Or am I fruitcake for believing that some Muslims think this is a conspiracy against them?

I'm at work right now so take your insinuation and shove it up your crack.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:44 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:No idea.

Edit: wait, you think you've been... that's cute.

Thanks babe xx <3 <3

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:01 pm

BREAKING:

The Italian prosecutor wrote to the UK Home Office to warn them of Youssef Zaghba, one of the London terrorists who moved here from Perugia. He had been under constant surveillance in Italy, however the UK counter-intelligence services did not treat him as a person of interest.

Slow hand clap for Theresa May's homeland security

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... prosecutor