Summer transfer window

[Jakubs Tash]

Just a reminder that he’s 20 yes 20 years old.Give it a rest.

Give it a rest? What, having an opinion on a football message board?
20 years old and he’s shown no sign of improvement. I would be comfortable to say he will be 22/23 and still be at the same level. If age was a factor then why would Kompany have thrown him straight into the Premier League two years ago? Do you think he’s as quick as he was pre-injury?

I was replying to someone who has the opinion that he’s a “highly talented lad”. I want Koleosho to do well but the signs are that he just isn’t improving as a footballer.

[RVclaret]

To be fair, Koleosho was hardly tearing up Championship defenses. To expect better in the PL this season is unrealistic. At 20years old he's still got plenty of time to develop and he's more likely to get the game time he needs with Espanyol

I think everyone has acknowledged Koleosho didn’t hit the heights we were hoping for. But this is a young player, after injury, in a very dysfunctional attacking system (at the time) due to one reason or another, against teams who, typically, were ‘defend first’ against us, rather than leaving space. Some players thrive in different environments and Luca showed again in the Euros this summer, that given some space, he can be electric - so I don’t fully agree with ‘to expect better in the Prem is unrealistic’, particularly when he was very threatening in the Prem until his injury.

[NewClaret]

There wasn't many occasions last season when he left a man for pace, he isn't as quick post injury.
He needs a season playing regular football he won't get that for us he isn't good enough at the moment

Leeds away he didn’t look slower to me, or in the Euros, albeit against younger opposition.

I don’t really think he’s lost his pace, but if he has, I still think he’s our quickest player.

I read the Performance Directors interview the other day and he said: “In recognising that the boss is preparing the team to be able to improve in those areas and the training mirrors the highest distance per minute, the highest high speed per minute, and the highest sprint distance per minute that the players will face in a Premier League”. Sort of underlines the importance of pace at that level.

He also said: “There are a couple of styles of play that the boss is working with the players on to ensure the team are not naïve, are adaptable, and resilient, robust”. So I just can’t see one of those systems isn’t going to involve us needing pace to hit teams on the counter.

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Trafford to City - Ortega to Burnley?

Sounds good to me

[NewClaret]

To be fair, Koleosho was hardly tearing up Championship defenses. To expect better in the PL this season is unrealistic. At 20years old he's still got plenty of time to develop and he's more likely to get the game time he needs with Espanyol

I think the point is, the defences he will face in the Premier League will be in a completely different shape - higher up the pitch and won’t be sat back in a low block doubled and trebled up on him. Not unless our build up is particularly slow, anyway!

But also, the full backs are so much faster, meaning raw pace (specifically acceleration) becomes almost an essential ingredient to compete with them.

I may be wrong but I’ll be surprised and disappointed if he goes out on loan (unless we replace that pace).

[Jakubs Tash]

I can’t see Ortega coming to Burnley.

If he leaves Manchester City I think it’ll be to a different country/league.

Whatever happens with James Trafford, it needs to happen soon. It’s already been dragging on too long. It’s vital that we have a new number one building up an understanding with the defence and midfield in good time before the first game.

[bumba]

Leeds away he didn’t look slower to me, or in the Euros, albeit against younger opposition.

I don’t really think he’s lost his pace, but if he has, I still think he’s our quickest player.

I read the Performance Directors interview the other day and he said: “In recognising that the boss is preparing the team to be able to improve in those areas and the training mirrors the highest distance per minute, the highest high speed per minute, and the highest sprint distance per minute that the players will face in a Premier League”. Sort of underlines the importance of pace at that level.

He also said: “There are a couple of styles of play that the boss is working with the players on to ensure the team are not naïve, are adaptable, and resilient, robust”. So I just can’t see one of those systems isn’t going to involve us needing pace to hit teams on the counter.

The Leeds goal was taken well but he never beat a man, never ran past a man, there wasn't any Leeds player from when he got the ball until just before he shot he had the whole pitch to run in too.
Sitting on our bench for another season won't do him any good, the best we can hope for is a good 12 month loan with regular games resulting in a big bid next summer or we get an inform then 21 year old winger back

[LincsWoldsClaret]

With Parker’s focus on wing play - releasing our fastest winger who has already shown he can beat PL defenders would be…odd.

[warksclaret]

I guess all will become clearer after several friendlies in the coming weeks

[Leisure]

Doesn’t say anything on there about a loan move

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... er-5231263

[agreenwood]

The club are obviously trying to get the best deal here, but it’d be good to have a settled first choice GK in the building sooner rather than later.

[DCWat]

Game time is probably most important for Koleosho, now.

With him not counting towards the 25, I’d definitely prefer to keep him, but if we don’t think he’s going to get the opportunities, a loan might be the best option.

I certainly wouldn’t be looking to sell, unless we need to from a financial perspective, and then, I’d be looking to include a buy back option, if possible.

He’s a young lad, who suffered a long term injury. Unfair on both points to write him off after last season. There is plenty time for him to develop and improve.

[NewClaret]

The Leeds goal was taken well but he never beat a man, never ran past a man, there wasn't any Leeds player from when he got the ball until just before he shot he had the whole pitch to run in too.
Sitting on our bench for another season won't do him any good, the best we can hope for is a good 12 month loan with regular games resulting in a big bid next summer or we get an inform then 21 year old winger back

No but he ran half the length of the pitch without being caught!!!

Could Anthony do that? I don’t think so. Or Edwards? Definitely not.

This is particularly relevant since we’ll be playing against higher lines this season.

We’ll have to agree to disagree (and I can’t rule out he will be loaned) but I think the performance directors comments are quite telling that we know what attributes will be important to us at the level above.

[Tricky Trevor]

There were dozens of occasions last season where he was 1 on 1 with a defender but chose to cut inside or when going on the outside ran out of play or didn't have the pace to beat his full back, were not even talking rapid full backs.
He's lost some pace there's no doubt about it.
The reason he featured less and less is because he isn't good enough, he has no end product so without the pace what can he offer us?
He'd be 5th choice winger here, he needs to play.

100% agree with your first sentence but playing for Italy this Summer he looked a different man. I still don't think he would start but a good man to bring on for last 20 mins.

[scamander]

A key differential for wingers, particularly young ones is decision making. I remember a young Ronaldo being told by Fergie about the importance of not showcasing and trying beat everyone. Mix it up.

Koleosho is about pace and cutting inside - a very expected style of attack which defences and teams spend lots of time training against. In the Premier League he may have more space, remember how Grealish had lots of broken pkay at Villa. Hopefully teams will look to take the game against us and allow him space.

He's obviously highly rated - but young and needs matches to learn more. He also needs us to back him. Let's not be one of those teams where youngsters are afraid of their own fans.

[NL Claret]

No but he ran half the length of the pitch without being caught!!!

Could Anthony do that? I don’t think so. Or Edwards? Definitely not.

This is particularly relevant since we’ll be playing against higher lines this season.

We’ll have to agree to disagree (and I can’t rule out he will be loaned) but I think the performance directors comments are quite telling that we know what attributes will be important to us at the level above.

Anthony kept up with Koleosho for the goal at Leeds. Me made sure other defenders were occupied. His run was as good as an assist.

[GetIntoEm]

The goal at Leeds was something special, I can't think of much else this season tho.

I'd prefer to keep him, but can't see him playing. You'd think Benson would go first

[Woodleyclaret]

Tressor Ramsay and Churlinov need loaning long before Luca

[willsclarets]

Anthony kept up with Koleosho for the goal at Leeds. Me made sure other defenders were occupied. His run was as good as an assist.

He kept up, without dribbling a football

[NewClaret]

100% agree with your first sentence but playing for Italy this Summer he looked a different man. I still don't think he would start but a good man to bring on for last 20 mins.

Part of me thinks that was coaching, which is slightly worrying. There were never numbers committed to the box if he did take his man on. I expect he’ll have more chances to take men on 1v1 in the Premier League though. More often than not his cutting in and running across the two defensive lines was borne out of being doubled up on.

[GetIntoEm]

Tressor Ramsay and Churlinov need loaning long before Luca

Ramsey will be a top player when he's fit, I assure you.

Tresor I'll reserve judgement.

Chulinov won't play for us again I don't think

[Mattster]

Koleosho is a great young player who, when returning from a long term injury, was absolutely hung out to dry by Parker's favouritism of Anthony. That we're here with so many fans slating and wanting rid of Koleosho from where we were 12 months ago just shows how terribly he has been handled and I hope he gets a proper chance with us this season because otherwise we'll lose him and watch him succeed somewhere else.

[NewClaret]

Ramsey will be a top player when he's fit, I assure you.

Tresor I'll reserve judgement.

Chulinov won't play for us again I don't think

Agree on all counts. Not seen Churlinov in Portugal?

[burnley007]

Any transfer rumours?

[Bow]

Is Churlinov still at the club? Didn’t we sell him to Hull a couple of years ago?

I can’t keep up

[brexit]

if traff goes to city, do we still have pay the sell on fee to them?

[RVclaret]

Koleosho is a great young player who, when returning from a long term injury, was absolutely hung out to dry by Parker's favouritism of Anthony. That we're here with so many fans slating and wanting rid of Koleosho from where we were 12 months ago just shows how terribly he has been handled and I hope he gets a proper chance with us this season because otherwise we'll lose him and watch him succeed somewhere else.

Not everything has to be Parker’s fault, you know. It’s fine to accept Koleosho didn’t hit the heights we hoped. Partly it was on him, partly it was on the system (at the time) and personnel limitations within that. When we looked fluid towards the end of the season, like at QPR, he looked better. Parker literally swapped Anthony and him around after the Millwall defeat, away at West Brom, and he had quite a poor game from the left - Sarmiento came in and was MOTM. He then picked up an injury himself and upon return, had an unbeaten side for however long, with Anthony our best attacking player.

[taio]

Koleosho is a great young player who, when returning from a long term injury, was absolutely hung out to dry by Parker's favouritism of Anthony. That we're here with so many fans slating and wanting rid of Koleosho from where we were 12 months ago just shows how terribly he has been handled and I hope he gets a proper chance with us this season because otherwise we'll lose him and watch him succeed somewhere else.

I hope Koleosho is in our squad for the upcoming season.

Parker rightly selected Anthony ahead of him because him was continously improving.

Using words, hung out dry, favouritism, and hung out to dry is ridiculous.

[NewClaret]

Is Churlinov still at the club? Didn’t we sell him to Hull a couple of years ago?

I can’t keep up

Think you are referring to Zaroury who was loaned to Hull and subsequently sold

[Silkyskills1]

Koleosho is a great young player who, when returning from a long term injury, was absolutely hung out to dry by Parker's favouritism of Anthony.

That just isn't true. Anthony became a reliable member of the manager's squad and first team last season. Reliable is not a tag that can be attached to Koleosho unfortunately. Yes, he's quick but with little direction or end product. He has a lot to learn still and to be fair to him age is on his side. Football is a team game and it would be extremely naive to put Koleosho ahead of Anthony in last season's team and expect an even better outcome.

[taio]

I hope Koleosho is in our squad for the upcoming season.

Parker rightly selected Anthony ahead of him because him was continously improving.

Using words, hung out dry, favouritism, and hung out to dry is ridiculous.

Obviously duplicated in haste and perplexed at how anyone can sensibly use such words, plus handled terribly - can only mean some bizarre views about Parker.

[GetIntoEm]

Antony was better than koleosho. It's a no brainer

[Cooclaret]

Traffords fee is getting negotiated down from the buy back with three players. Two permanent and one on loan.

The accountants are playing around to get the best for both clubs.

[Quickenthetempo]

I don't think anyone should have a problem with Anthony starting over Koleosho last season as he was playing better.

But Alan Pace needs a coaching set up to improve these young players if his methods of making money are to work.

[Djs254]

https://x.com/RyanTaylorSport/status/19 ... 0263111798

Suarez from Almeria

[ArmchairDetective]

Traffords fee is getting negotiated down from the buy back with three players. Two permanent and one on loan.

The accountants are playing around to get the best for both clubs.

Can you name them? Or give a hint...

[ollieclarets8]

Traffords fee is getting negotiated down from the buy back with three players. Two permanent and one on loan.

The accountants are playing around to get the best for both clubs.

So we get 3 players from City? Depending on who they are that could end up being brilliant.

[Bow]

So we get 3 players from City? Depending on who they are that could end up being brilliant.

I’d be happy with Bobb on loan, and Haaland and Rodri permanent

[123EasyasBFC]

Traffords fee is getting negotiated down from the buy back with three players. Two permanent and one on loan.

The accountants are playing around to get the best for both clubs.

Where are you getting this from mate?!!

[RVclaret]

I don't think anyone should have a problem with Anthony starting over Koleosho last season as he was playing better.

But Alan Pace needs a coaching set up to improve these young players if his methods of making money are to work.

Like Odobert (3x profit), Vitinho (7x profit) and Trafford (2/3x profit)?

[burnley007]

Traffords fee is getting negotiated down from the buy back with three players. Two permanent and one on loan.

The accountants are playing around to get the best for both clubs.

I can't even guess who they might be...but I can only feel optimistic about this, if true.

[123EasyasBFC]

Koleosho is a great young player who, when returning from a long term injury, was absolutely hung out to dry by Parker's favouritism of Anthony. That we're here with so many fans slating and wanting rid of Koleosho from where we were 12 months ago just shows how terribly he has been handled and I hope he gets a proper chance with us this season because otherwise we'll lose him and watch him succeed somewhere else.

I know you have this thing with Parker and Anthony but last season Anthony was one of our top 5 players.

However koleosho needs to be given the chance this season especially if we are going to be a counter attacking team.

But people are overselling koleoshos technical ability

[Cooclaret]

Where are you getting this from mate?!!

If you follow my posts, you’ll see I’ve been spot on about JT from a long time ago. He’s always known where he was going. He’s always known his trajectory in the England set up.

Nothing is certain in football, agents, players and other clubs het in the way. Newcastle for example. But it’s being discussed at the moment.

[burnley007]

I’d be happy with Bobb on loan, and Haaland and Rodri permanent

Is Rodri an upgrade on Cullen though?

[ollieclarets8]

I’d be happy with Bobb on loan, and Haaland and Rodri permanent

Haaland on loan. Imagine the spelling if we had him for 2 seasons.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I hope Koleosho is in our squad for the upcoming season.

Parker rightly selected Anthony ahead of him because him was continously improving.

Using words, hung out dry, favouritism, and hung out to dry is ridiculous.

He’s clearly a talented kid but the love in for him is crazy. People are talking like hes undroppable. He’s 21 this season and has a grand total of 6 goals contributions in his entire career. (Including international u21 apps). It’s worth noting McNeil at the same age had 19 with the vast majority coming in the premier league.

[TheFamilyCat]

Can you name them? Or give a hint...

I'd be asking where the information has come from before getting bogged down with which players.

[mdd2]

Not sure getting 2 city players plus one on loan will go with our financial planning unless the two permanent have a sell on value

[123EasyasBFC]

If you follow my posts, you’ll see I’ve been spot on about JT from a long time ago. He’s always known where he was going. He’s always known his trajectory in the England set up.

Nothing is certain in football, agents, players and other clubs het in the way. Newcastle for example. But it’s being discussed at the moment.

I actually referenced you a couple of pages ago as being someone who has said Trafford back to city a few times over the last few months.

Dream scenario would he mcatee and Ortega perm and bobb on loan

[Newcastleclaret93]

I know it’s almost an impossibility but could you imagine if we got Grealish on loan.

Playing in that Brownhill role he would be immense. Arguably best player we have had in my lifetime