General Election 2017 Mega Thread

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:55 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:What , yours you mean ?

What you have a problem with atheist centrists, do you?

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:56 am

ClaretMoffitt

It's called democracy the will of the people has spoken.

Exactly the same process that brought us the Brexit shambles following a vote to leave the EU.

Theresa May asked for a strong mandate to support her stance of "BREXIT MEANS BREXIT" and "NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN A BAD DEAL" and the electorate gave their verdict.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:57 am

martin_p wrote:And I suspect that sort of generalisation is something else that pushed them towards Labour.

What more than the offer of free sh1t, I admire your faith but you over estimate them.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:57 am

kentonclaret wrote:ClaretMoffitt

It's called democracy the will of the people has spoken.

Exactly the same process that brought us the Brexit shambles following a vote to leave the EU.

Theresa May asked for a strong mandate to support her stance of "BREXIT IS BREXIT" and "NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN A BAD DEAL" and the electorate gave their verdict.

Who's denying it is democracy? I'm not contesting anything, I'm just ranting about it.

Presuming you even 12 months on are calling brexit a shambles have done the same.

So sit down.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:58 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:What you have a problem with atheist centrists, do you?

Don't try and portray yourself as a centrist. You're well well right of centre.
You should be happy, Corbyn won't be the PM.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:58 am

Inchy wrote:Corbyn has done fantastic but I think going forward labour need to replace him.

He has done as well as he could do, but there are still many people who will never vote for him because he's too left and because a lot of the sh*t thrown at him has stuck. A know a lot of people who said they will never vote for him. What labour need is a younger Corbyn. Someone with his honestly and ideas but without the **** stuck to his back. Unfortunately there are not many decent politicians in his ilk.

If they do get rid of him they'll also be getting rid of the massive youth support that has given them these additional seats against an absolute maelstrom of hate and fearmongering from the Tory press. And that would be a disaster for Labour at the next election, especially if it's within a year or two.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:00 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:What you have a problem with atheist centrists, do you?

centrist. ********. The overton window hasn't moved that far.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:01 am

martin_p wrote:For all the people looking for a role for Ruth Davidson please note she's an MSP, not an MP. There'll be no role for her in the UK government.

I think she might be a shoe in in the forthcoming by-election in Maidenhead.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:01 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:If they do get rid of him they'll also be getting rid of the massive youth support that has given them these additional seats against an absolute maelstrom of hate and fearmongering from the Tory press. And that would be a disaster for Labour at the next election, especially if it's within a year or two.

Problem is that there aren't many politicians who come across as "human", Corbyn, much like Farage, managed to get a groundswell of support because even though they are on opposite political sides they are relatable. If they can find a younger Corbyn maybe slightly more central then they'd win it next time.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:01 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:What you have a problem with atheist centrists, do you?

Centrist ? You're just being stupid now.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:04 am

Dom wrote:Don't try and portray yourself as a centrist. You're well well right of centre.
You should be happy, Corbyn won't be the PM.

I'm pro LGBT
I'm pro secularism in education institutions
I'm pro socialism (to an extent)
I'm anti-military intervention

Cant be that far right, can I?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:05 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I'm pro LGBT
I'm pro secularism in education institutions
I'm pro socialism (to an extent)
I'm anti-military intervention

Cant be that far right, can I?

You're also pro-internment and pro-persecution.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:06 am

john redwood is equally as dim as crispin blunt:

bbc wrote:Conservative MP John Redwood told Andrew Neil what he thought went wrong for his party - but then the pair clashed over exactly what had happened yesterday.

"People looked at what Mr Corbyn was saying and said, 'Do you know what? We'd like a bit more spent on public services.' And the students loved the idea of not having to pay student fees, although it wasn't quite clear how the country was going to afford all that.
So we got this very interesting answer - the country said, yes they want a Conservative government led by Mrs May because we are the biggest party..."

This was interrupted by an incredulous Neil, saying: "No, they didn't!"

As Redwood sought to continue, Neil added: "Can we just get it clear - the British people did not vote for a Conservative government."

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:07 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're also pro-internment and pro-persecution.

To people who quite literally want to kill us or convince others to kill us.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:12 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:To people who quite literally want to kill us or convince others to kill us.

Without trial. Without the right to defend themselves against false accusation. I dont' care how pro-LGBTQ you are, this makes you far-right.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:15 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Without trial. Without the right to defend themselves against false accusation. I dont' care how pro-LGBTQ you are, this makes you far-right.

If MI5 have deemed them a high risk to public safety, that is good enough for me. If it is considered liberal to be in favour of letting high risk people go about their business blowing up children then I am no liberal.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:17 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:If MI5 have deemed them a high risk to public safety, that is good enough for me. If it is considered liberal to be in favour of letting high risk people go about their business blowing up children then I am no liberal.

Yeah. Liberals want kids blown up. Keep resorting to that lie. It only makes you look entirely desperate.

kindonesque · Post by **kindonesque** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:18 am

Fresh election called in the Autumn. Corbyn bandwagon brings him a majority of 20-25. Queen's speech in November. End of austerity. QED.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:19 am

Watching moffits meltdown makes me fear for Ringo well being.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:20 am

The biggest thing about this election was ousting Theresa May and hopefully we've managed that. Five years with her as PM would simply have been the worst five years imaginable. Whatever happens next it's the Tories who need to rethink.

Labour can carry on doing what they're doing, and that's aiming at the younger voters. Look at the vote from an age demographic. The country is overwhelmingly Labour in the under 55's. The country is overwhelmingly Tory in the over 55's. If Corbyn keeps gaining the support of the younger generation he'll topple the Tories eventually.

It's exactly what I've said all along. Those that have already made their money are looking after number one. I can't blame them but the younger voters need more. They will get it eventually.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:23 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yeah. Liberals want kids blown up. Keep resorting to that lie. It only makes you look entirely desperate.

Well thats precisely what you want, you want those 3000+ known radicals to keep wandering the streets, keep preaching their hate, and keep committing terrorist attacks just because our legal powers of defense are too weak on them.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:24 am

It might not have ousted her but there's no way she survives 5 years as Tory leader.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:24 am

The last 2 years have been a bloody shambles.

One serious misjudgement after another.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:25 am

jlup1980 wrote:The biggest thing about this election was ousting Theresa May and hopefully we've managed that. Five years with her as PM would simply have been the worst five years imaginable. Whatever happens next it's the Tories who need to rethink.

I agree with this, but she looks to be digging her heels in which would be a disaster.

jlup1980 wrote:Labour can carry on doing what they're doing, and that's aiming at the younger voters. Look at the vote from an age demographic. The country is overwhelmingly Labour in the under 55's. The country is overwhelmingly Tory in the over 55's. If Corbyn keeps gaining the support of the younger generation he'll topple the Tories eventually.

Young people grow up and learn better sense. That's why young people vote for idealists and older people vote for realists.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:27 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Well thats precisely what you want, you want those 3000+ known radicals to keep wandering the streets, keep preaching their hate, and keep committing terrorist attacks just because our legal powers of defense are too weak on them.

You've got to see that just locking people up, guilty or not, would likely cause more to have radicalised views?

Something has to be done about the suspected extremists but locking them all up with a friendly Imam probably isn't the answer.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:32 am

kindonesque wrote:Fresh election called in the Autumn. Corbyn bandwagon brings him a majority of 20-25. Queen's speech in November. End of austerity. QED.

Not another election thread!

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:32 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:
Young people grow up and learn better sense. That's why young people vote for idealists and older people vote for realists.

Well I'm not quite an old person yet, but if I turn into a miserable bugger with no hope for a better future for everyone (not just myself) then it's not something I look forward to!!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:33 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Well thats precisely what you want, you want those 3000+ known radicals to keep wandering the streets, keep preaching their hate, and keep committing terrorist attacks just because our legal powers of defense are too weak on them.

If you want to turn this country into Iraq with the frequency of terrorist attacks then go right ahead, start locking up people without trial. Lets see what that does to the number of dead children.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:33 am

Foxes rejoice!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:35 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I agree with this, but she looks to be digging her heels in which would be a disaster.

Young people grow up and learn better sense. That's why young people vote for idealists and older people vote for realists.

I think given the rise of neo-nazism and how it is encroaching on the mainstream wat we really need right now is idealists who want to protect our freedoms. Not from ISIS, but from you.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:37 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:If you want to turn this country into Iraq with the frequency of terrorist attacks then go right ahead, start locking up people without trial. Lets see what that does to the number of dead children.

You know what would affect that a whole lot more? Mass immigration from Islamic countries.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:38 am

You can't just say that as though it has some kind of ironic meaning regarding the brexit reaction.

Yeah I can!

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:38 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think given the rise of neo-nazism and how it is encroaching on the mainstream wat we really need right now is idealists who want to protect our freedoms. Not from ISIS, but from you.

Oh I'm a Neo-Nazi now

SEIG HEIL!!

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:38 am

Laughing my cock off at you Moffitt. Embarrassing for you pal

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:39 am

'Where abouts on the political scale or you' could be a great thread if political threads had not been banned. I'll hold my hand up to being right wing.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:39 am

Right could someone please help me,Cameron give us a vote to leave the EU,he didn't have to,he thought the remain vote would P*ss it,May give us an election she thought she would P*ss it,she didn't have to they did'nt, at the moment our country his being overrun by terrorists,and now we are rudderless,just one question is this country being run by idiots?

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:41 am

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Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:41 am

What more than the offer of free sh1t, I admire your faith but you over estimate them.

if the old continue to treat the young like this, then they will f**k you.

It can't be that hard to find some common ground between us all if we really want to do it.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:41 am

Steve1956 wrote:Right could someone please help me,Cameron give us a vote to leave the EU,he didn't have to,he thought the remain vote would P*ss it,May give us an election she thought she would P*ss it,she didn't have to the didnt, at the moment our country his being overrun by terrorists,and now we are rudderless,just one question is this country being run by idiots?

It could actually be a stroke of genius.
They could quite literally be up to anything while we are at each other's throats.
When was the last time you saw a story about a politician having drug fuelled romps with rent boys?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:42 am

Steve1956 wrote:just one question is this country being run by idiots?

Rhetorical question, I'm guessing

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:42 am

that old chestnut again. Just be honest, you hate Muslims. You don't want any of them here. That's great news for ISIS. That's exactly the attitude they want you to have. They want you to marginalise our Muslims, make them feel unwelcome. It makes it much easier to recruit them.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:44 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:You know what would affect that a whole lot more? Mass immigration from Islamic countries.

We've pretty much always had control of immigration from Islamic countries and this Tory govt and the last Tory govt have done nothing to stop the flow of non EU nationals coming in, mainly because they add massively to the economy.

Stop your hysterical screeching now, you look like a fool.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:44 am

Damo wrote:It could actually be a stroke of genius.
They could quite literally be up to anything while we are at each other's throats.
When was the last time you saw a story about a politician having drug fuelled romps with rent boys?

Has that story about that local Tory MP come out yet? From the place with the big hill?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:45 am

FactualFrank wrote:Rhetorical question, I'm guessing

Hang on FF while I look Rhetorical up in the dictionary

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:45 am

Imploding Turtle wrote: that old chestnut again. Just be honest, you hate Muslims. You don't want any of them here. That's great news for ISIS. That's exactly the attitude they want you to have. They want you to marginalise our Muslims, make them feel unwelcome. It makes it much easier to recruit them.

Not all of them.

Just the ones who think homosexuality should be illegal, that sympathize with suicide bombers, that want to implement sharia law, that think women are their play things, that support terrorists, that think apostates should be killed, and last but not least, those that are actively involved in terror in some way.

So somewhere between 35-50% of them in this country according to all estimates.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:47 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:if the old continue to treat the young like this, then they will f**k you.

It can't be that hard to find some common ground between us all if we really want to do it.

It's hilarious really. The pensioners have had their triple lock on pensions for how long? But when students want to pay just as much as those pensioners did for university they're vilified as greedy and only "wanting free stuff".

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:48 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's hilarious really. The pensioners have had their triple lock on pensions for how long? But when students want to pay just as much as those pensioners did for university they're vilified as greedy and only "wanting free stuff".

Which would be fine if as few went to University as back then.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:49 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Young people grow up and learn better sense. That's why young people vote for idealists and older people vote for realists.

Young people grow up and learn greed more like.

I'm in a position where I would probably be financially better off under a Tory government but I would never vote for them out of principle. We need equality and fairness across our society. It shouldn't be an idealistic dream for this to happen.

It's very easy for those people with money to look down their noses at those families struggling by on benefits and needing food banks, but what we should be doing is looking at the reasons why this has happened. We're an educated society with large areas in serious decline. The Tories have no intention of turning it around and you could argue that a Labour government would ultimately fail as well, but I'd rather try than not.

Hopefully today is the start of a new era... or at the very least, a new approach.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:49 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Not all of them.

Just the ones who think homosexuality should be illegal, that sympathize with suicide bombers, that want to implement sharia law, that think women are their play things, that support terrorists, that apostates should be killed, and last but not least, those that are actively involved in terror in some way.

So somewhere between 35-50% of them in this country according to all estimates.

Plenty of white British nationals that think homosexuality should be illegal and that women should be subservient.

The main issue is terrorism, which the majority of Muslims reject otherwise we'd all be f*cking dead. As a country we need to put people before trade, that means asking hard questions of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, not selling them weapons.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:51 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Which would be fine if as few went to University as back then.

So you're against a better educated population?

I suppose that would help the far-right vote.