The Bud Fight, sorry Presidential Debate

[RingoMcCartney]

Well that was amusing. In a desperate attempt to try a justify Jo Bidens totally ridiculous theory that the criminality, arson, violence , bloodshed and riots are being perpetrated by "an idea" and not an "organisation". The usual gaggle of lefties have tied themselves in knots, gone off at tangents and met themselves coming back with their own mutton headed arguement!

Little bit of perspective. This tiny, brief celebration of left wing tin eared, reality denial will have be enjoyed by a handful .

@Andyngo's's output is seen by 100s of thousands if not, millions.

Reasons to be cheerful

[daveisaclaret]

It's like Dunning-Kruger as a performance art.

[aggi]

It's like Dunning-Kruger as a performance art.

More like a Turing test I'd say.

[martin_p]

More like a Turing test I'd say.

Nah, a Turing Test is looking for intelligent behaviour.

[Spijed]

Well that was amusing. In a desperate attempt to try a justify Jo Bidens totally ridiculous theory that the criminality, arson, violence , bloodshed and riots are being perpetrated by "an idea" and not an "organisation". The usual gaggle of lefties have tied themselves in knots, gone off at tangents and met themselves coming back with their own mutton headed arguement!

Little bit of perspective. This tiny, brief celebration of left wing tin eared, reality denial will have be enjoyed by a handful .

@Andyngo's's output is seen by 100s of thousands if not, millions.

Reasons to be cheerful

You do realise Andy Ngo is well known for having very far right sympathies and views don't you?

It's sad that you share his views.

[Billy Balfour]

Another thread that's no longer fit for purpose. If only people didn't feed the resident troll.

[Burnley Ace]

Another thread that's no longer fit for purpose. If only people didn't feed the resident troll.

I know but it’s such fun!! We haven’t got much to laugh about but Ringo never lets us down.

[Spijed]

To get back on track

Biden has a massive 12 point lead in Pennsylvania. Every election expert says that unless trump wins there it's almost impossible for him to win:

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/stat ... 6369740800

[PeterWilton]

Overnight on 4–5 Oct., BLM-antifa rioters in Portland marched around downtown in more criminal protests that began in late May. They vandalized the new $324m courthouse & other buildings. 6 were arrested. #PortlandRiots #antifa https://portlandoregon.gov/police/news/ ... ?id=261256

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/st ... 6767444997


Completely impromptu!!

Just an ",idea". According to the , not so, wise monkeys!

"criminal protests"

This is what these fascists want. They want protesting to be a crime. That's why they're taking crimes committed by rioters and trying to declare them protesters.

This Ringo guy is an actual fascist who is trying to push for that designation "criminal protests".

I honestly don't know how actual conservatives aren't calling these fascists out. We're sleepwalking into this **** and conservatives aren't lifting a fking finger or speaking a word against these people. Why?

[PeterWilton]

Well that was amusing. In a desperate attempt to try a justify Jo Bidens totally ridiculous theory that the criminality, arson, violence , bloodshed and riots are being perpetrated by "an idea" and not an "organisation". The usual gaggle of lefties have tied themselves in knots, gone off at tangents and met themselves coming back with their own mutton headed arguement!

Little bit of perspective. This tiny, brief celebration of left wing tin eared, reality denial will have be enjoyed by a handful .

@Andyngo's's output is seen by 100s of thousands if not, millions.

Reasons to be cheerful

Ringo. Just once please back up something you've said.

Please show me or quote to me what Joe Biden specifically said that makes you believe that this is actually true.

"Jo Bidens totally ridiculous theory that the criminality, arson, violence , bloodshed and riots are being perpetrated by "an idea" and not an "organisation". "

[PeterWilton]

It's like Dunning-Kruger as a performance art.

I'm honestly worried we're dealing with someone who isn't all there and that we're picking on them. I've seen this before on other forums.

Does anyone here actually know Ringo personally and can confirm that he isn't insane or something? Because I'm really uncomfortable replying to him incase he is.

[PeterWilton]

Another thread that's no longer fit for purpose. If only people didn't feed the resident troll.

Blame the troll, not the trolled. And then maybe the people who allow the troll.

[PeterWilton]

Facebook had to remove a Trump Post today because it will get people killed.

[HahaYeah]

So much hate from the lefties but unfortunately for them and despite being in his 70s our orange hero has clearly got the beating of the kung flu!

Hooray!

His parents both had a very good innings, His Ma was 88 yrs and his Pa 95 yrs so he must have those GOOD GENES - I'm sure Peter would agree,wouldn't you Peter?

[PeterWilton]

As expected, this was bullshit.

Systematic vote rigging by Democrats uncovered -


https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesOKeefeI ... 0040219649



@IlhanOmar

connected cash-for-ballots harvesting scheme EXPOSED “Money is the king in everything”; harvester boasts harvesting HUNDREDS of 2020 absentee ballots ILLEGALLY! “Numbers do not lie...these here are all absentee ballots…my car is full…”

There is literally nothing that James o'keefe has ever "exposed" that hasn't turned out to be him and his expose` being a complete fraud.

So of course Ringo believes him.

Liban Osman, subject of Project Veritas alleged voter fraud story, tells @LydenFOX9 he was offered $10K by Omar Jamal to say he was collecting ballots for Congresswoman @IlhanMN

Omar Jamal was Project Veritas’ insider in the Somali community.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mukhtaryare/ ... 6810099713

[Damo]

Facebook had to remove a Trump Post today because it will get people killed.

I've just seen this on twitter.
Posts something factual and twitter puts a disclaimer basically saying its fake news.

Be careful when allowing social media to tell you how to think

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[Spijed]

So much hate from the lefties but unfortunately for them and despite being in his 70s our orange hero has clearly got the beating of the kung flu!

Hooray!

His parents both had a very good innings, His Ma was 88 yrs and his Pa 95 yrs so he must have those GOOD GENES - I'm sure Peter would agree,wouldn't you Peter?

Wouldn't worry too much as he'll be retiring from the Presidency four weeks today. He'll then be able to recover without any other distractions.

[Spijed]

I've just seen this on twitter.
Posts something factual and twitter puts a disclaimer basically saying its fake news.

Be careful when allowing social media to tell you how to think


Screenshot_20201006-191044_Twitter.jpg

He said the virus was less dangerous than flu. That's why it was reported.

[daveisaclaret]

He also grossly overestimated the number of deaths caused by flu.

[PeterWilton]

I've just seen this on twitter.
Posts something factual and twitter puts a disclaimer basically saying its fake news.

Be careful when allowing social media to tell you how to think


Screenshot_20201006-191044_Twitter.xxx

Nope. He lied. Covid is far more lethal than the flu. That's why it got a warning.

[Damo]

Nope. He lied. Covid is far more lethal than the flu. That's why it got a warning.

Covid has killed more people than flu?

[PeterWilton]

Covid has killed more people than flu?

No, Covid is far more lethal that flu. That's not the same a "killed more people". Are you seriously going to try and troll over this?

[PeterWilton]

The US military leadership has to quarantine. Lol.

Good work, Agent Trump.

[Spiral]

It's possible it is more virulent, it's certain it has a longer incubation period than the flu, and owing to the non-existence of a vaccine it has already killed more people globally this year than the flu does on average.

[Damo]

No, Covid is far more lethal that flu. That's not the same a "killed more people". Are you seriously going to try and troll over this?

I'm not trolling Charlie.
I thought Influenza killed more people worldwide than Covid19.
However, I've just checked the numbers, and I'm happy to hold up my hand and admit I'm wrong

[PeterWilton]

Fair enough. Just seems like every time I see you post you're trolling in some way, including this last one.

But I'm glad you at least weren't trolling about the Covid numbers. I admit I was expecting you to argue that flu has killed more over the years therefore is more lethal.

[Damo]

Fair enough. Just seems like every time I see you post you're trolling in some way, including this last one.

But I'm glad you at least weren't trolling about the Covid numbers. I admit I was expecting you to argue that flu has killed more over the years therefore is more lethal.

No, I was thinking flu was more lethal currently than covid, as opposed to covid at its peak, but it appears im wrong about that

[HahaYeah]

Wouldn't worry too much as he'll be retiring from the Presidency four weeks today. He'll then be able to recover without any other distractions.

Yes - if the Demoncrats rig the election this guy will be president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbE2Sm ... e=emb_logo

[Spijed]

Yes - if the Demoncrats rig the election this guy will be president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbE2Sm ... e=emb_logo

So from the narrative that he's going to win a landslide it's now a case that he'll lose because the election is rigged!

[Zlatan]

Good to see some humility on threads like this from time to time

[Buxtonclaret]

This is worth a read.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/trump- ... ts-vanity/

[PeterWilton]

Trump has now decided to hold hostage the Covid relief Bill that Congress had been negotiating with Trump's team.

He's ordered a halt to all talks until after the election. Lol. Does he think this is a vote winner or something?

[PeterWilton]

“I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business,”

Lol. Vote for Trump, or else...

[KateR]

Infections
COVID-19: The first cases appeared in China in late 2019, and the first confirmed case in the United States appeared in January 2020.

Approximately 35,527,480, cases have been confirmed worldwide. There have been 7,459,102 cases in the U.S. between January 2020 and October 6, 2020.*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 1 billion people worldwide get the flu every year.

In the U.S., for Oct. 1, 2019–Apr. 4, 2020, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that there were 39 million to 56 million cases of flu. (The CDC does not know the exact number because the flu is not a reportable disease in most parts of the U.S.)

Coronavirus vs. Flu Deaths
COVID-19: There have been approximately 1,044,882 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 210,196, people have died of COVID-19 between January 2020 and October 6, 2020.*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.

*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.

So the info above is from a reputable source (hopefully everyone can agree to that) however, when looking at numbers and statements some points strike me in terms of:

mortality rate of COVID-19 unknown, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu. so what will be the anticipated number of C-19 deaths/year when there is a vaccine? If you want to go 10X then just multily the numbers below by 10 or alternatively let's say for arguments that it will be equal after a vaccine is available

WHO estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide yet that number is while there is a vaccine every year!

can you expect a C-19 deaths after the vaccine is available and run out similar to how Flu vaccines are, will we see somewhere between 300K to 650K additional deaths on top of normal flu deaths eg the same mortality rate, is this a best case scenario, or if it is indeed far worse (as some are quite adamant it is) it could be 3 - 6 million deaths on top of the flu.

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How do those numbers work for you all, who will be to blame for all those deaths in the future years, even when a vaccine is available in the main as is the flu vaccine.

How do those numbers equate to your visions for the future and a return to normalcy plus economic return to the <2019 period of the world?

Are you expecting 1 Billion C-19 world cases every year same as Flu or a factor above that?

[Vegas Claret]

well, he's just tanked the stock market for today

[Buxtonclaret]

well, he's just tanked the stock market for today

What do ordinary people say over there, Vegas?
Not particularly the stock markets. Just day to day opinions?
I'm personally left of centre. But agree with certain conservative values alongside liberal attitudes.
But just listening to Trump....it's amazing how anyone can have any belief in him?
He's an out and out Headcase, so far up his own backside it's amazing he might actually know what sunshine is?

I don't know America, though have had close friends from there.
Just on an ordinary day today level, what sort of people would actually vote for him next month?

[PeterWilton]

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How do those numbers work for you all, who will be to blame for all those deaths in the future years, even when a vaccine is available in the main as is the flue vaccine.

How do those numbers equate to your visions for the future and a return to normalcy plus economic return to the <2019 period of the world?

Are you expecting 1 Billion C-19 world cases every year same as Flu or a factor above that?

I can't imagine anyone in the world can possibly know the answers to any of these questions.

We don't know if a vaccine is viable, if one is we don't know how effective it will be, if it is effective we don't know how. Long the effectiveness will last, is immunity does last we don't know if the virus will mutate in a way that future vaccines no longer counter, and we don't know how many people will actually take the vaccine to allow Herd immunity to be achieved. So anyone who tells you they know, or even think they know the answer to any of your questions is a hack.

[KateR]

I don't know America, though have had close friends from there.
Just on an ordinary day today level, what sort of people would actually vote for him next month?

while you did not ask me, the simple answer is millions, not tens of millions but most probably close to if not over a 100 of millions, but they wont all vote, they never do, my sister will vote for him for certain.

[KateR]

I can't imagine anyone in the world can possibly know the answers to any of these questions.

We don't know if a vaccine is viable, if one is we don't know how effective it will be, if it is effective we don't know how. Long the effectiveness will last, is immunity does last we don't know if the virus will mutate in a way that future vaccines no longer counter, and we don't know how many people will actually take the vaccine to allow Herd immunity to be achieved. So anyone who tells you they know, or even think they know the answer to any of your questions is a hack.

I really didn't ask any difficult questions, you know they were very general, like will it be over or less than a billion, assuming given you are so confident, will it be ok to start blaming Biden 2021 for deaths that occur in 21 or not, am sure you could answer but chose not to. I wouldn't be holding you to answers, I was just curious what everyone thought particularly with you being so adamant on how much higher the mortality rate is for C-19

Merely some ramblings, involving facts as known today and prognosis for the future, I would be quite happy to give you my opinions, but then again maybe not as you will only call me a hack it seems.

[Taffy on the wing]

I'm not trolling Charlie.
I thought Influenza killed more people worldwide than Covid19.
However, I've just checked the numbers, and I'm happy to hold up my hand and admit I'm wrong

Thank you from all who read these things.
NOW SHUT UP!

[Damo]

Thank you from all who read these things.
NOW SHUT UP!

You was on here last week, ranting about the presidential debate despite clearly having not watched it
Practice what you preach

[PeterWilton]

I really didn't ask any difficult questions, you know they were very general, like will it be over or less than a billion, assuming given you are so confident, will it be ok to start blaming Biden 2021 for deaths that occur in 21 or not, am sure you could answer but chose not to. I wouldn't be holding you to answers, I was just curious what everyone thought particularly with you being so adamant on how much higher the mortality rate is for C-19

Merely some ramblings, involving facts as known today and prognosis for the future, I would be quite happy to give you my opinions, but then again maybe not as you will only call me a hack it seems.

I was merely trying to help you understand that any attempt at answering those questions holds no value.

If Biden n takes over and does exactly what trump has done (nothing) then you can blame him for any deaths in excess of what the models predict if mitigation was done. But there's no figures to give, yet.

[PeterWilton]

Lol.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/06 ... ssion=true

[PeterWilton]

Thank you from all who read these things.
NOW SHUT UP!

Seems a little aggressive.

[KateR]

I was merely trying to help you understand that any attempt at answering those questions holds no value.

If Biden n takes over and does exactly what trump has done (nothing) then you can blame him for any deaths in excess of what the models predict if mitigation was done. But there's no figures to give, yet.

you helped me a lot with your response.

[Vegas Claret]

What do ordinary people say over there, Vegas?
Not particularly the stock markets. Just day to day opinions?
I'm personally left of centre. But agree with certain conservative values alongside liberal attitudes.
But just listening to Trump....it's amazing how anyone can have any belief in him?
He's an out and out Headcase, so far up his own backside it's amazing he might actually know what sunshine is?

I don't know America, though have had close friends from there.
Just on an ordinary day today level, what sort of people would actually vote for him next month?

honestly, Trump has his base and they are going to vote for him regardless - Clinton called them deplorable's and I thought she was being very harsh but seeing the way they have backed him regardless of morality then she was correct (and for the record I didn't want Clinton to win). I think Trump has lost a lot of the suburban women, he would have lost a lot of people today with him canning the stimulus until after the election - seems the stock market is starting to side with Biden. The forcing of a supreme court judge who wants to take away women's rights and gay rights will also cost a lot of votes

In terms of people, those with half a brain that don't watch the cable news are seemingly going to vote for Biden just because he is the only viable alternative and Trump is destroying America.

Make no mistake though, Trump will cheat and do whatever he can to call foul, his supporters (who have been calling for protests to be peaceful) will take to the streets and you will see beatings and murders - the **** show hasn't started yet

In answer to your question, those that vote for him watch Fox news, believe in conspiracies and I'd hazard a guess that most haven't been our of their own states never mind own a passport

All that said, I expect Trump to win because 2020 is a **** !

[Vegas Claret]

I really didn't ask any difficult questions, you know they were very general, like will it be over or less than a billion, assuming given you are so confident, will it be ok to start blaming Biden 2021 for deaths that occur in 21 or not, am sure you could answer but chose not to. I wouldn't be holding you to answers, I was just curious what everyone thought particularly with you being so adamant on how much higher the mortality rate is for C-19

Merely some ramblings, involving facts as known today and prognosis for the future, I would be quite happy to give you my opinions, but then again maybe not as you will only call me a hack it seems.

Fauci last night said there would be 150 million Vaccines available when it's ready to go (bullshit) and most people would require 2 doses - so that doesn't even scratch the surface

[KateR]

Fauci last night said there would be 150 million Vaccines available when it's ready to go (bullshit) and most people would require 2 doses - so that doesn't even scratch the surface

I think I was asking the question around, when it is available to all in same manner I look at flu shots today, doesn't have to be in 2021 can be any year you want to be in, will there be less, the same or more deaths from C-19 than flu on let's call it a level playing field, it's a look in to the future as to what people think. It was not a trick question, a billion people a year catch the flu, estimated, if it is more viral as well as more likely to cause death, then surely we can just on that basis say, there will be more than a billion people catching it vaccine or not, will more people die from it after the vaccine or not, even if it's the same that's a lot of dead people to add every year. So in other words simply put the vaccine is not necessarily going to save you and means my chances of dying from this type of thing has doubled (at a minimum) with the vaccine and is way way higher without the vaccine, unless I am missing something?

Or indeed do people feel the vaccine will bring the mortality rate down below the flu when there is a so called level playing field. Plus the other main question is, do you expect us to go back to pre-2020 living or not.

[Vegas Claret]

I think I was asking the question around, when it is available to all in same manner I look at flu shots today, doesn't have to be in 2021 can be any year you want to be in, will there be less, the same or more deaths from C-19 than flu on let's call it a level playing field, it's a look in to the future as to what people think. It was not a trick question, a billion people a year catch the flu, estimated, if it is more viral as well as more likely to cause death, then surely we can just on that basis say, there will be more than a billion people catching it vaccine or not, will more people die from it after the vaccine or not, even if it's the same that's a lot of dead people to add every year. So in other words simply put the vaccine is not necessarily going to save you and means my chances of dying from this type of thing has doubled (at a minimum) with the vaccine and is way way higher without the vaccine, unless I am missing something?

Or indeed do people feel the vaccine will bring the mortality rate down below the flu when there is a so called level playing field. Plus the other main question is, do you expect us to go back to pre-2020 living or not.

honest answer - who knows. One thing I will say is to all the people that dismiss it and refuse to wear a mask etc is what security lane do they go through at the airport ? The one where things get checked to try and make them safe ?................

People would refuse to get on a plane with no security checks despite the fact (guess fact obviously!!!!) that only 1 plane out of 50'000 would likely be blown out of the sky but they wont wear a mask - it's just madness

Can you imagine 300 people getting on a flight and the pilot announcing that they didn't bother checking one guy for a possible chemical weapon ? same ******* difference

[RingoMcCartney]

It's like Dunning-Kruger as a performance art.

Agreed.