Tresor

[HollandsPies]

I'm totally ambivalent to this Tresor situation.
Neither Pace, Parker or Tresor seem to want to disclose and clarify what the issue is.

I suppose it leaves the conspiracy theorists plenty of legroom to posture.

For me it's a bit like the Remco farce. And I'm starting to not care less.

[Steddyman]

What's the point of the club making a statement when people don't believe him, or don't listen or can't remember 10 minutes after he said it.

The Chairman gave a clear statement.

The chairman said he was fit to play.

[Goliath]

That would be a ludicrous decision which thankfully the club would never entertain.

Well this can't carry on for 4 seasons, so if we don't get a buyer which if he has health issues we may not, then it may become the only resolution. Otherwise we spaff away 20k a week for another 3 and a half years.

[Goliath]

The chairman said he was fit to play.

This was a really stupid comment to make by the chairman. Either come out and be honest or say nothing, don't make comments like that to fans

. It's unfair on player, fans and even manager who is the one that has to face the media and respond to the questions

[Quickenthetempo]

Doubt he’ll be on anywhere near £20k.

Sources differ on his salary. Spotrac has him down as $520k per annum, for example. Not sure if the $ vs £ is relevant. The discrepancy could be that he was on £20k in the premier league and £10k now. That might make sense.

He was reported to be on €90k per year at Genk so I would be shocked if we’d agreed to pay him £2m a year in the premier league. This is one of the big advantages of European talent - their wages are much lower in comparison.

Ditto I’d be surprised if all of the fee was guaranteed and not heavily performance-related. Gibson was the same. Fee was £15m but widely reported we only paid £8m because he never played.

He’s costing a lot whatever, just doubt it will be as bad as this.

Even if they were that high though, the club have to pay injured players like Beyer, Ramsey and Redmond while out injured. And in the past they’ve picked up much bigger salaries from the likes of Long and Lowton, or even Cork, Barnes and Jay, when they’ve been out of favour and not playing. I know they are very different circumstances, but take the emotion out of it and it’s the same outcome - just a cost of running a football club.

If he's only on 10k a week I don't blame him for refusing to play.
We were paying the likes of Blake and Little 15k a week in the championship, nearly 25 years ago.

[Andingle]

It's everybody's business to a certain degree the people that contribute to his wage. If I ring work up sick the first thing they ask me - what is wrong with you? I don't think the reply that it's none of their business would go down too well. If it's personal just say so be candid about it.

If you ring in work sick, Indeed i'm sure the management would want to know what's wrong with you but is it any buisness of the customer who contributes to your wage to know whats wrong with you ?

[summitclaret]

And we committed to a 4 year deal? Fantastic

That's the big issue and it's potentially the sort of thing that could see us in massive financial difficulties if we don't go up this year or next. Add to that Ramsey and Beyer in a nightmare scenario.

It's probably the reason we didn't get the striker we needed this window.

[DCWat]

Let's agree to disagree. I think people are more than entitled to know the exact nature of MTs absence & are also within their rights to question things that appear suspicious.

No, no we are not ‘more than entitled to know the exact nature of MTs absence.

We have no right whatsoever to know his personal medical information.

[NewClaret]

If he's only on 10k a week I don't blame him for refusing to play.
We were paying the likes of Blake and Little 15k a week in the championship, nearly 25 years ago.

True story, that’s what we were paying for Maatsen and Tella in the Championship season. I’ll be amazed if we’ve agreed to pay him £20k per week when he was on €90k a year at Genk!

[Row x]

No, no we are not ‘more than entitled to know the exact nature of MTs absence.

We have no right whatsoever to know his personal medical information.

Well said.

[Clovius Boofus]

No, no we are not ‘more than entitled to know the exact nature of MTs absence.

We have no right whatsoever to know his personal medical information.

It's like going into your regular supermarket and demanding to know why Sally on the checkout hasn't been at work for a couple of months.

[Quickenthetempo]

True story, that’s what we were paying for Maatsen and Tella in the Championship season. I’ll be amazed if we’ve agreed to pay him £20k per week when he was on €90k a year at Genk!

If you times that wage by 30 (rough squad number) our players wage bill would be around 15m. Same as Blackburn.

It came in between 38 and 55m last time we were in the championship.

[bfcjg]

If there's one thing Americans are good at it's litigation, I think if they thought they could get rid of MT if indeed they wanted to then I think things would be in place now. Hopefully he is ill ( sounds bizarre saying hopefully about illness) and he might be desperate to get fit to force his way into the team to either secure a place or impress to secure a transfer, perhaps the board know it’s the last choice and they see an asset.
It is all bizarre though.

[Enola Gay]

It's everybody's business to a certain degree the people that contribute to his wage. If I ring work up sick the first thing they ask me - what is wrong with you? I don't think the reply that it's none of their business would go down too well. If it's personal just say so be candid about it.

Not sure you're comparing apples with apples here - you're not directly employing him.

If I rang in sick I'd tell my manager what was wrong. I wouldn't expect them to tell our customers all the details or be particularly happy if they did. As long as Tresor is keeping the club informed of what's going on I'm not sure what else he needs to do.

As for 'if it's personal just say so', that sounds like an invitation to speculation. The idea that people would just leave it at that is fanciful at best.

Personally I've just stopped thinking about him. If he plays he plays and gets support, if he doesn't he doesn't and the players on the pitch get support. You'd be amazed how simple that keeps things.

[Jakubclaret]

No, no we are not ‘more than entitled to know the exact nature of MTs absence.

We have no right whatsoever to know his personal medical information.

Let's agree to disagree.

[Row x]

Let's agree to disagree.

Ok, post your medical record on here then

[TheFamilyCat]

Ok, post your medical record on here then

Severe head injury.

[DCWat]

Let's agree to disagree.

There’s really nothing to disagree about. You’re wrong. We are not, as supporters of Burnley Football Club, entitled to know personal medical information about one of the clubs employees.

[Jakubclaret]

Ok, post your medical record on here then

Pay me thousands per week & give me a year off. No probs

[Jakubclaret]

There’s really nothing to disagree about. You’re wrong. We are not, as supporters of Burnley Football Club, entitled to know personal medical information about one of the clubs employees.

In normal circumstances I would agree. If you think there's anything normal about this you are incredibly naive.

[Dark Cloud]

It's like going into your regular supermarket and demanding to know why Sally on the checkout hasn't been at work for a couple of months.

My next door neighbour (who's ITK) says Sally is pregnant. (Don't shoot the messenger!)

[fidelcastro]

If he's only on 10k a week I don't blame him for refusing to play.
We were paying the likes of Blake and Little 15k a week in the championship, nearly 25 years ago.

Only on 10k a week?

The poor lad. It's hardly worth getting out of bed for... Oh hang on, he doesn't!

[DCWat]

In normal circumstances I would agree. If you think there's anything normal about this you are incredibly naive.

I’m the one being naive?

Do I think this is normal? Nope, don’t recall a similar scenario.

Am I frustrated that, for whatever reason, Tresor isn’t featuring? Yep.

Am I as a long time supporter entitled to know Mike Tresor’s personal medical information? Nope!

You’d argue black is white and suggest we ‘agree to disagree’.

[boatshed bill]

Pay me thousands per week & give me a year off. No probs

The way you get into arguments on here you may have some success with crowd funding from us posters

[DCWat]

My next door neighbour (who's ITK) says Sally is pregnant. (Don't shoot the messenger!)

I can see trouble ahead. I’ve seen Sally’s partner’s medical records and he’s firing blanks!

[Row x]

Pay me thousands per week & give me a year off. No probs

I don't think the right to medical confidentiality depends on how much you earn, or how famous you are

[123EasyasBFC]

The amount of people who jump to the defence of Tresor when it’s clear he doesn’t want to be at the club, regardless of his illness he wanted out of the club in the summer and the club and Parker even said he was available for selection and had been training for weeks. Multiple reports in around around the ground of him turning up late to training, calling in sick.

Give me a player with Anthony’s attitude over Tresor any day of the week

[Jakubclaret]

I don't think the right to medical confidentiality depends on how much you earn, or how famous you are

Maybe not! It'd be fun finding out. Like I said agree to my conditions & you can have chapter & verse I've got a feeling there's more chance of MT making an appearance before that happens.

[fidelcastro]

The amount of people who jump to the defence of Tresor when it’s clear he doesn’t want to be at the club, regardless of his illness he wanted out of the club in the summer and the club and Parker even said he was available for selection and had been training for weeks. Multiple reports in around around the ground of him turning up late to training, calling in sick.

Give me a player with Anthony’s attitude over Tresor any day of the week

And so the rumour mill starts again!

[agreenwood]

The only time I think about Tresor now is when I see the thread pop back to the top of the board every few weeks.

[Dark Cloud]

I can see trouble ahead. I’ve seen Sally’s partner’s medical records and he’s firing blanks!

Which all points to exactly why my neighbour knows so much! I know for a FACT that he's been on the grass!! (He's been round to Sally's cutting the lawn)

[boatshed bill]

The amount of people who jump to the defence of Tresor when it’s clear he doesn’t want to be at the club, regardless of his illness he wanted out of the club in the summer and the club and Parker even said he was available for selection and had been training for weeks. Multiple reports in around around the ground of him turning up late to training, calling in sick.

Give me a player with Anthony’s attitude over Tresor any day of the week

Defence of Tresor? Not sure it's that. Rather some of us don't want to get involved in conjecture.

[JohnMcGreal]

I'm totally ambivalent to this Tresor situation.
Neither Pace, Parker or Tresor seem to want to disclose and clarify what the issue is.

I suppose it leaves the conspiracy theorists plenty of legroom to posture.

For me it's a bit like the Remco farce. And I'm starting to not care less.

If Tresor cost the club as little as Remco did, I don't think anybody would give a toss about the situation.

But he's our record signing (?) with bags of talent, supposedly, and we're a team that's struggled in the attacking third all season. Add to that the minimal contribution he made last season combined with some bizarre, mixed messages coming from the club, and it's no wonder people are asking questions.

[The Shire Claret]

This isn’t a defence of Tresor… feel like I need to put that on here

But Human to human

It’s absolutely non of our business if this is a medical issue… just like any of us and our medical records

He’s also a very valuable player and I’m sure the club will try the best to retain his value as much as possible

This is why clubs no longer talk about injuries ..

Quite simple for me

[Goliath]

The wage think wouldn't make much sense. He probably knows if he plays he'd be far too good for this league, we'd be offering a pay rise within 3 months I'm pretty sure so refusing to play because of that would be pretty counter productive on basically every way possible.

[fidelcastro]

The wage think wouldn't make much sense. He probably knows if he plays he'd be far too good for this league, we'd be offering a pay rise within 3 months I'm pretty sure so refusing to play because of that would be pretty counter productive on basically every way possible.

That's a wind-up, right?

[HollandsPies]

If Tresor cost the club as little as Remco did, I don't think anybody would give a toss about the situation.

But he's our record signing (?) with bags of talent, supposedly, and we're a team that's struggled in the attacking third all season. Add to that the minimal contribution he made last season combined with some bizarre, mixed messages coming from the club, and it's no wonder people are asking questions.

Totally take your point there, JohnMcGreal. And I'm in agreement with you.
But the posts on this thread just go round and round in circles without any progress being made - it's full of conjecture and speculation.
'Opinions are like @rse holes ... and everyone has one'.

Love the way RowX and DCWat smashed Cabbage's banal postings btw. Great logic and COMMON SENSE.

Can't believe I've been sucked into posting on this thread. Over and definitely out.

[Goliath]

That's a wind-up, right?

You think we wouldn't offer one of the most creative players in the league a wage rise if he was playing regularly for us and was on 10k a week making him one of the lower earners in the squad most probably. Clearly don't know how football works.

[NewClaret]

If you times that wage by 30 (rough squad number) our players wage bill would be around 15m. Same as Blackburn.

It came in between 38 and 55m last time we were in the championship.

A few places have it as £20k per week but we know our contracts half wages on relegation so £10k seems more right, and that’s exactly what Spotrac has. Don’t think anyone knows as it happens, but I’ll be surprised if it’s as high as £20k in this league.

[TsarBomba]

It’s not conjecture to say he doesn’t want to be here, which is all that matters and is the bottom line.

From needing convincing to come in the first place, to missing his flight, to his ‘performances’ in the PL, to his reaction to not getting a move in the summer, to going awol for a whole season- it’s pretty obvious.

How many more signs or evidence do people want?

Forget about him.

[fidelcastro]

You think we wouldn't offer one of the most creative players in the league a wage rise if he was playing regularly for us and was on 10k a week making him one of the lower earners in the squad most probably. Clearly don't know how football works.

Firstly, unless you've seen his contract, you haven't a clue what money he's on.

Secondly, you can only have this opinion that he's one of the most creative players in the league from his time in Belgium because it sure as hell can't be from what we saw last season! I'm not sure what relevance the Belgian league has to the vastly different English second tier.

Lastly, where does this pay rise come from?! Unless you mean a new contract?!

Blimey, at this rate we'll be stuck with him until he retires... Although some might say he already has!

[KRBFC]

What's the point of the club making a statement when people don't believe him, or don't listen or can't remember 10 minutes after he said it.

The Chairman gave a clear statement.

Where is this statement and what did it say?

[KRBFC]

The amount of people who jump to the defence of Tresor when it’s clear he doesn’t want to be at the club, regardless of his illness he wanted out of the club in the summer and the club and Parker even said he was available for selection and had been training for weeks. Multiple reports in around around the ground of him turning up late to training, calling in sick.

Give me a player with Anthony’s attitude over Tresor any day of the week

Multiple reports of him turning up late to training? Calling In sick?

who reported that? can you send the news article.

He doesn’t want to be here and is refusing to play so why did he happily play with a second string side away at Reading? That doesn’t support your theory.

[KRBFC]

Also even if he doesn’t want to be here, how is sat on his arse for a year refusing to play beneficial for his career moving forwards?

I don’t believe anyone would be so stupid

[Hedontplayforyou]

To clarify without reading through all the shite….we are still none the wiser to the truth regarding Tresor, correct?

[NewClaret]

To clarify without reading through all the shite….we are still none the wiser to the truth regarding Tresor, correct?

Correct

[JohnMac]

surely the Reading game kills that theory ?

Given the way he looked at times, hands on knees and apparently gasping for breath, I would say it enhances the theory.

[daveisaclaret]

To clarify without reading through all the shite….we are still none the wiser to the truth regarding Tresor, correct?

Yes but we've had ever so much fun imagining injuries, illnesses, wages, contracts, clauses, transfers, loans and attitudes along the way.

[exilecanada]

Surely the Tresor situation is a contractual issue and management have been making this excuse or that excuse about his absence from Championship games. They're actually keeping schtum about the real reason for this debacle. Best the club negotiate some sort of contract settlement and get rid of him permanently.

[burnleymik]

Given the way he looked at times, hands on knees and apparently gasping for breath, I would say it enhances the theory.

Exactly this. That wasn't just someone who was lacking a bit of fitness, he seemed to be really struggling.

I hope he recovers fully and quickly and we get to see what he can offer us, however I can;t see that being anytime soon given we brought in another winger in the transfer window.