Summer transfer window

[ksrclaret]

I’m pretty confident at some point this window we will go big on a CM.

Hope you’re right NC. Can’t quite believe how strong the rest look by comparison right now.

[CnBtruntru]

Two I don't want from City are Grealish and Philips.

[NL Claret]

He kept up, without dribbling a football

Have you not seen enough of Anthony to doubt his technique with the ball at his feet?

[boatshed bill]

Have you not seen enough of Anthony to doubt his technique with the ball at his feet?

I doubt he was trying to get into an offside position.

[quoonbeatz]

If we end this window with Ortega, Bobb and McAtee I'll eat my hat

You might just get away with that.

[fatboy47]

Two I don't want from City are Grealish and Philips.

Fantasy land.

Any part-ex from City will consist only of unwanted bad eggs, players deemed to lack requisite quality, old guys on the way out and kids they're unwilling to take a punt on themselves.

[kentonclaret]

Two I don't want from City are Grealish and Philips.

Having just viewed the odds on the next likely club for Jack Grealish I don’t think you have any need to worry.

[Jakubs Tash]

I’ve heard Grealish is really pushing for a dream move to Burnley and is willing to play for free instead of his £250k a week salary to make it happen…..

What a stupid suggestion. Why is his name even being mentioned as a serious option?!

[burnley007]

I’ve heard Grealish is really pushing for a dream move to Burnley and is willing to play for free instead of his £250k a week salary to make it happen…..

What a stupid suggestion. Why is his name even being mentioned as a serious option?!

Did anyone mention it as a serious suggestion

[Mattster]

Actually if you'd look back to start the season they were both playing together, initially with Anthony on the left and Koleosho on the right, then they were swapped to put Koleosho on his favoured left-hand side and he simply didn't deliver.

You make that sound like Koleosho got a proper run of games on the left. I invite you to answer the following.

How many games was Koleosho given on his favoured wing to build form? Compare that to Anthony? Did Anthony deliver right away? Or did it take until February for him to really hit form?

When Anthony was signed Koleosho had started 2 games on the left, we'd won both games scoring 9 in the process and Koleosho scored 1 of those. Who went straight in on the left in the next game, the player who's position it should have been to lose? Or Parker's favourite?

[Burnley Ace]

Fantasy land.

Any part-ex from City will consist only of unwanted bad eggs, players deemed to lack requisite quality, old guys on the way out and kids they're unwilling to take a punt on themselves.

Lacking the requisite quality to be in a team competing for the title and Champions league?

[Rileybobs]

You make that sound like Koleosho got a proper run of games on the left. I invite you to answer the following.

How many games was Koleosho given on his favoured wing to build form? Compare that to Anthony? Did Anthony deliver right away? Or did it take until February for him to really hit form?

When Anthony was signed Koleosho had started 2 games on the left, we'd won both games scoring 9 in the process and Koleosho scored 1 of those. Who went straight in on the left in the next game, the player who's position it should have been to lose? Or Parker's favourite?

I see comments all the time about managers having their favourites, and it’s usually said as a criticism. Can you explain what is wrong with a manager having his favourite players?

It’s quite understandable and should be blatantly obvious to anyone who watched us last season why Anthony is one of Parker’s favourites.

[CoolClaret]

You make that sound like Koleosho got a proper run of games on the left. I invite you to answer the following.

How many games was Koleosho given on his favoured wing to build form? Compare that to Anthony? Did Anthony deliver right away? Or did it take until February for him to really hit form?

When Anthony was signed Koleosho had started 2 games on the left, we'd won both games scoring 9 in the process and Koleosho scored 1 of those. Who went straight in on the left in the next game, the player who's position it should have been to lose? Or Parker's favourite?

Well actually in the following game Andreas Houtondji lined up on the left hand side, think LK had a knock because he wasn't in the matchday squad.

Here's a few better questions:

- Where did we finish last season?
- What did you constantly predict would happen due to your irrational hatred of Scott Parker?

Oh and for the two players' relative stats -

[NorthIsCool]

Any transfer news?

[Rileybobs]

Any transfer news?

Nope.

[ollieclarets8]

Any transfer news?

Wrong thread.

[Vegas Claret]

Rashford to Barcelona, loan with option apparently

[burnley007]

Wrong thread.

This is the self-important, childish, arguing thread.

[ollieclarets8]

Rashford to Barcelona, loan with option apparently

He must have been taking advice from Kompany. Don't do very well and then move to one of the biggest clubs on the planet.

[boyyanno]

I see comments all the time about managers having their favourites, and it’s usually said as a criticism. Can you explain what is wrong with a manager having his favourite players?

It’s quite understandable and should be blatantly obvious to anyone who watched us last season why Anthony is one of Parker’s favourites.

I think I can answer this one for Mattster:

If Parker likes a player then he must be crap, he had our squad underachieve massively last season, would have never been able to take us out of the division and chose to play dross infront of the better players. (Inserts a well chosen statistic showing minutes played over a period of a few games to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that what I'm saying is beyond the comprehension of all of you idiots).

[Rileybobs]

By the way, can I politely request that people stop clogging up this thread by asking ‘any transfer news’. Some days I come onto this thread to catch up with conversation that is directly, or sometimes indirectly related to the summer transfer window (the summer transfer window itself just being a period of time between June and September that we happen to be currently living through), and end up having to wade through dozens of people asking if there’s any transfer news.

Rest assured if there is any transfer news then transfer news will be be posted on this thread, if there isn’t any transfer news on this thread then there isn’t any transfer news.

Thanks in advance.

[Mattster]

Well actually in the following game Andreas Houtondji lined up on the left hand side, think LK had a knock because he wasn't in the matchday squad.

Yes. And then LK was fit to play when Anthony signed but Anthony went straight in on the left and Koleosho was moved to accommodate him.

Koleosho never got more than 3 appearances in a row on the left wing all season and in those 3 he didn't get a full 90 in any of them. He only got 4 starts on the left and 3 sub appearances there total after Anthony signed. And when you show Anthony's stats against Koleosho's it's important context to note that Anthony had 5 g+a in his first 28 appearances (27 starts) which were back to back and he got the full 90 in 21 of those. Koleosho got 28 appearances (20 starts) in fits and starts all season and got the full 90 in 8 of those.

Who knows what we would have seen from Koleosho if he was afforded the same patience and consistency of selection as Anthony.

[ksrclaret]

Is there any stat known to man that this poster can't bastardise?

[123EasyasBFC]

First two games of the season that koleosho played on the left,

Luton I don’t remember him doing anything and second game at home to Cardiff how any earth we went in 2-0 up at half time, Cardiff battered us.

What I remember was the first game back after the international break away at Leeds, koleosho playing on the right and scoring.

Parker actually moved his so called favourite from their best position to give Koleosho the chance to play there.

It’s perfectly fine coming off a serious knee injury for koleosho to have an off season, we are forgetting he had played about 15 senior games before getting the serious injury. He will get his chance this year.

Matt just hates Parker and can’t accept that Parker’s decision to play Anthony paid off because he couldn’t then come on here at the end of the season and say ‘look I told you so’

[CoolClaret]

Yes. And then LK was fit to play when Anthony signed but Anthony went straight in on the left and Koleosho was moved to accommodate him.

Koleosho never got more than 3 appearances in a row on the left wing all season and in those 3 he didn't get a full 90 in any of them. He only got 4 starts on the left and 3 sub appearances there total after Anthony signed. And when you show Anthony's stats against Koleosho's it's important context to note that Anthony had 5 g+a in his first 28 appearances (27 starts) which were back to back and he got the full 90 in 21 of those. Koleosho got 28 appearances (20 starts) in fits and starts all season and got the full 90 in 8 of those.

Who knows what we would have seen from Koleosho if he was afforded the same patience and consistency of selection as Anthony.

Anthony was awarded that because he could play that wide role exactly how SP wants his wingers to.

Go and check the touches per game that Anthony had compared with Koleosho - he was getting on the ball at times nearly 2x the amount of LK - highlighting his footballing IQ and understanding of the manager's system.

Even when he wasn't necessarily providing goal scoring contributions, JA recycled possession well, and was constantly available for a pass to relieve pressure, not to mention very good at helping protect our fullbacks and pressing the opposition.

SP's remit was to secure promotion for the club, which he accomplished. He selected players he believed would help achieve that goal, and the team's success validates his choices. JA was integral to that success.

There's nothing else to add/contend with. It's that simple.

[Vino blanco]

My memory leaves a lot to be desired these days, but didn't Koleosho score the goal that put us up 2 nil against Cardiff at home last season?

[bobinho]

Anyone suggesting that Grealish could come here is obviously unwell. Do we really have people feeling that entitled to be discussing him?

[Holmechapel]

What’s the chances of City buying JT and loaning him back for the season?

[Rileybobs]

What’s the chances of City buying JT and loaning him back for the season?

0%, as it isn’t allowed.

[BigGaz]

You make that sound like Koleosho got a proper run of games on the left. I invite you to answer the following.

How many games was Koleosho given on his favoured wing to build form? Compare that to Anthony? Did Anthony deliver right away? Or did it take until February for him to really hit form?

When Anthony was signed Koleosho had started 2 games on the left, we'd won both games scoring 9 in the process and Koleosho scored 1 of those. Who went straight in on the left in the next game, the player who's position it should have been to lose? Or Parker's favourite?

This is the age old argument with you. Anyone with a pair of eyes and a bit of a football brain will tell you that Koleosho wasn't trusted because he ran down blind alleys, couldn't be trusted not to give the ball away in dangerous positions and too often couldn't find an end product. In the same way you earn the right to play you also play your way out of contention, which he did. I saw many people on here comment that they'd noticed Roberts avoided passing to him where possible when he was over on the right cause his own teammates were running out of good will towards him.

You lean into your stats heavily, so you'll also know that causation does not equal correlation, and it's possible to put 9 goals past poor opposition without specific individuals shining.

[Rileybobs]

This is the age old argument with you. Anyone with a pair of eyes and a bit of a football brain will tell you that Koleosho wasn't trusted because he ran down blind alleys, couldn't be trusted not to give the ball away in dangerous positions and too often couldn't find an end product. In the same way you earn the right to play you also play your way out of contention, which he did. I saw many people on here comment that they'd noticed Roberts avoided passing to him where possible when he was over on the right cause his own teammates were running out of good will towards him.

You lean into your stats heavily, so you'll also know that causation does not equal correlation, and it's possible to put 9 goals past poor opposition without specific individuals shining.

To add to your points, which I agree with, under VK Koleosho was a huge liability when we didn’t have the ball. He would trundle back at a snail’s pace to ‘assist’ his full back, which is something you definitely don’t get away with in the PL. To his credit, his workrate off the ball seemed to improve as last season went on.

[Vegas Claret]

This is the self-important, childish, arguing thread.

no it's not and my dad is bigger than yours

[Goliath]

To add to your points, which I agree with, under VK Koleosho was a huge liability when we didn’t have the ball. He would trundle back at a snail’s pace to ‘assist’ his full back, which is something you definitely don’t get away with in the PL. To his credit, his workrate off the ball seemed to improve as last season went on.

There's many things you can criticise Koleosho for. Work rate isn't one of them, either last season or during the Kompany season. He worked his b*llocks, which is probably why he managed to get into the team before Tresor, Koleosho, Zaroury and Redmond.

[BigGaz]

Does you contact who gave you info on Oscar bobb know anything about Trafford / Ortega?

They do want him and are in for him strong, he will 100% end up at City now and quite soon but they don't want to pay 40m.

They are trying to knock down the fee and give us a fairly solid loan or cut a cheap part ex for Phillips or Ortega, the latter is a tricky but viable still one because they want rid of Ederson ideally, but want to keep one of the two senior GK's that they have. So if Ederson goes they want to keep Ortega is what he reckons. Bobb and O'Reilly on the table for loans, McAtee not on offer unless big money sale.

[BigGaz]

Fwiw I would play ball with City. They've been very good to us and Its in our interests to stay on the right side of them for the sake of 5 million or whatever.

[Mattster]

Go and check the touches per game that Anthony had compared with Koleosho - he was getting on the ball at times nearly 2x the amount of LK - highlighting his footballing IQ and understanding of the manager's system.

Touches per 90
Anthony: 53.9
Koleosho: 46.5

"nearly 2x the amount"

[Vegas Claret]

Fwiw I would play ball with City. They've been very good to us and Its in our interests to stay on the right side of them for the sake of 5 million or whatever.

I suspect that'll be the way, I mentioned it earlier in the thread that having a good relationship with City will only be a good thing. I'm looking forward to Pace becoming best mates with the Real Madrid hierarchy and them loaning us Valverde

[ksrclaret]

I would really wish that we don't get involved with Kalvin Phillips.

[123EasyasBFC]

They do want him and are in for him strong, he will 100% end up at City now and quite soon but they don't want to pay 40m.

They are trying to knock down the fee and give us a fairly solid loan or cut a cheap part ex for Phillips or Ortega, the latter is a tricky but viable still one because they want rid of Ederson ideally, but want to keep one of the two senior GK's that they have. So if Ederson goes they want to keep Ortega is what he reckons. Bobb and O'Reilly on the table for loans, McAtee not on offer unless big money sale.

As soon as Alex crooks name was linked to the Ortega stuff I thought it was a strength. Think I’m in a minority that would absolutely love Phillips

[Rileybobs]

There's many things you can criticise Koleosho for. Work rate isn't one of them, either last season or during the Kompany season. He worked his b*llocks, which is probably why he managed to get into the team before Tresor, Koleosho, Zaroury and Redmond.

He really didn’t. In the PL I observed him on numerous occasions making a token jog back to assist his full back, it really was unacceptable at times. That lack of workrate and discipline was tolerated at times by VK though, and the reason it was so clear to see was probably due to the preceding years watching the total opposite under Dyche.

Like I say, he improved this side of his game last season, but most of his off the ball work was pressing in the opponent’s half rather than ‘tracking back’.

[CoolClaret]

Touches per 90
Anthony: 53.9
Koleosho: 46.5

"nearly 2x the amount"

'at times'

What is with your irrational hatred of Scott Parker? It's pretty bizarre. Why are you unable to give him a jot of praise?

[Goliath]

He really didn’t. In the PL I observed him on numerous occasions making a token jog back to assist his full back, it really was unacceptable at times. That lack of workrate and discipline was tolerated at times by VK though, and the reason it was so clear to see was probably due to the preceding years watching the total opposite under Dyche.

Like I say, he improved this side of his game last season, but most of his off the ball work was pressing in the opponent’s half rather than ‘tracking back’.

You got any stats or anything to prove this. It's not what I saw.

[Rileybobs]

You got any stats or anything to prove this. It's not what I saw.

No, just what I observed. I’m sure I passed comment about it on here at times during that season.

[Darnhill Claret]

Bobb and O'Reilly are both excellent prospects, but full back and winger are not areas that need strengthening, so loans might be counter productive. Don't get me wrong if we sign them permanently, they are improvements to the first team/squad.
However if we could get an effective, controlling midfielder that would strengthen the weaker areas of the squad.

[123EasyasBFC]

If we were to sign O’Reilly that would likely spell the end of Pires

[ksrclaret]

O'Reilly is actually a midfielder rather than a LB.

[GetIntoEm]

No, just what I observed. I’m sure I passed comment about it on here at times during that season.

Burnley fans love a runner

[willsclarets]

Have you not seen enough of Anthony to doubt his technique with the ball at his feet?

What's that got to do with it? For the record, see any post of mine on Anthony and you'll see I'm one of his biggest fans. I think he's underrated.

All I was saying is, a player is faster and gets to their target destination in a straighter line if they don't have a football at their feet. So saying he kept up with Koleosho doesn't mean he's equal in terms of pace.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Touches per 90
Anthony: 53.9
Koleosho: 46.5

"nearly 2x the amount"

Take the stats out of it.

Anthony was consistently a better performer than Koleosho last season.

[willsclarets]

Take the stats out of it.

Anthony was consistently a better performer than Koleosho last season.

I'm pretty sure even Koleosho would say the same