Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Elizabeth]

Dyche does not think the squad needs the massive overhauling that some posters think is the only thing to prevent us being relegated

[Bordeauxclaret]

Who’s calling for a massive overhaul?

[kentonclaret]

The problem being is that Pace and his group aren't taking the sugar daddy approach. This has been the cause of dislike for the noisiest from the beginning. They didn't want someone to come in and run the club the wanted them throwing money at players out their own pocket, once that didn't happen then the bad mouthing began.

Needing to strengthen an ageing squad in key areas after several sterile windows has nothing to do with a "sugar daddy approach" but more to do with targeted and sensible recruitment, bringing in 2 much needed wide players for example. Hopefully, after the end of a 12 week window we will have the signings we urgently need.

[Elizabeth]

Who’s calling for a massive overhaul?

Obviously not you

[Bordeauxclaret]

Obviously not you

Are a lot of people?

[Elizabeth]

Are a lot of people?

You read the same board as me

[warksclaret]

Obviously not you

You have to factor in Dyche's immense loyalty to the group that regularly start. Its unrivalled in the PL. You will never see him criticise a player, or the team.Even when we play poorly he will find a few positives

[Elizabeth]

You have to factor in Dyche's immense loyalty to the group that regularly start. Its unrivalled in the PL. You will never see him criticise a player, or the team.Even when we play poorly he will find a few positives

I find it his biggest strength.

[dsr]

Explain how that works. What does "against the club" mean? If the club has taken on a liability, there must be a corresponding asset - ie ALK owes that money back to the club.

It's not as simple as you make out. ALK can't have acquired the club with no risk.

ALK has acquired the club with a risk. ALK has an asset of BFC but a liability of who knows how many million. Over £100m. If it all goes belly up, ALK will go bust. BFC have a liability with a corresponding asset, but the asset is a loan from ALK. And if BFC have to repay the loan, it's because ALK have gone bust and the asset will be worthless.

The point is that ALK is a limited company. If ALK goes bust, ALK has no regrets. ALK isn't upset. ALK will just cease to exist and ALK won't care, because it is a limited company and doesn't have feelings.

The owners of ALK have put in a few millions. £15m has been quoted. If it all goes belly up (ie. we get relegated), they lose £15m. If all goes well (ie. we don't get relegated and they sell the club on) then they make hundreds of millions. That's the owners' gamble. The debtors lose out (ie. Garlick only gets £100m or so instead of £150m), but most crucially the club loses out because the club would have to repay some of ALK's debts. That's the club's risk. ALK has the asset, but BFC has the liability.

If we get relegated and ALK goes bust, BFC has to somehow raise £60m or so to repay ALK's debts. That's why it's so vital, if ALK want to make profits (which they do) that they preserve BFC's biggest asset - a Premier League place. So what they want to do is spend just enough on players to keep us in the PL for long enough to sell the club on at a profit. That's all they're here for, profit. They can talk about these internet scouting systems and expanding the club's image overseas and such like, but the big money comes in selling the club at a profit. That must be their long-term, or even short-term, aim.

So they will spend what they think it takes to keep us up - and that's why they need to keep Dyche onside. Because if they fail to keep us up, their £15m investment probably goes west. (As possibly so does the club, but that isn't ALK's concern.)

[Bordeauxclaret]

You read the same board as me

No then.

[MACCA]

Who’s calling for a massive overhaul?

No one.

You know some posters think when people mention things need freshening up, it means they want 200m spending and 100k wages to be paid.

They fail to grasp there is no written rule that you have to spends hundreds of millions to improve your team.

A little blinkered , best just to ignore them.
They are battling things in their own head and thinking of things that haven't been said to worry and argue with themselves over.

[Elizabeth]

ALK has acquired the club with a risk. ALK has an asset of BFC but a liability of who knows how many million. Over £100m. If it all goes belly up, ALK will go bust. BFC have a liability with a corresponding asset, but the asset is a loan from ALK. And if BFC have to repay the loan, it's because ALK have gone bust and the asset will be worthless.

The point is that ALK is a limited company. If ALK goes bust, ALK has no regrets. ALK isn't upset. ALK will just cease to exist and ALK won't care, because it is a limited company and doesn't have feelings.

The owners of ALK have put in a few millions. £15m has been quoted. If it all goes belly up (ie. we get relegated), they lose £15m. If all goes well (ie. we don't get relegated and they sell the club on) then they make hundreds of millions. That's the owners' gamble. The debtors lose out (ie. Garlick only gets £100m or so instead of £150m), but most crucially the club loses out because the club would have to repay some of ALK's debts. That's the club's risk. ALK has the asset, but BFC has the liability.

If we get relegated and ALK goes bust, BFC has to somehow raise £60m or so to repay ALK's debts. That's why it's so vital, if ALK want to make profits (which they do) that they preserve BFC's biggest asset - a Premier League place. So what they want to do is spend just enough on players to keep us in the PL for long enough to sell the club on at a profit. That's all they're here for, profit. They can talk about these internet scouting systems and expanding the club's image overseas and such like, but the big money comes in selling the club at a profit. That must be their long-term, or even short-term, aim.

So they will spend what they think it takes to keep us up - and that's why they need to keep Dyche onside. Because if they fail to keep us up, their £15m investment probably goes west. (As possibly so does the club, but that isn't ALK's concern.)

There’s been one or two clues that we are trying to get this thread back on track

[Elizabeth]

No then.

Selective reading

[ClaretTony]

CAN WE PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD AS PER THE TITLE - TO DISCUSS TRANSFER RUMOURS

[joey13]

CAN WE PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD AS PER THE TITLE - TO DISCUSS TRANSFER RUMOURS

THERE ARENT ANY !

[Elizabeth]

NOT YET BUT THERE WILL BE

[alwaysaclaret]

With reference to my recent post regarding meeting dyche's criteria for signings, Ryan christie has been mentioned, he can play cm and also on the right, dyche has been known to favour players who can play in more one position. His stats between season 18-21 played 81 goals 25 assists 24. Just what's not to like, out of contract, wants a move by all accounts, think I've read he's interested, available for 5m, let's push this.

[joey13]

NOT YET BUT THERE WILL BE

Fingers crossed, but Lennon doesn’t count

[Wile E Coyote]

dsr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:53 am
ALK has acquired the club with a risk. ALK has an asset of BFC but a liability of who knows how many million. Over £100m. If it all goes belly up, ALK will go bust. BFC have a liability with a corresponding asset, but the asset is a loan from ALK. And if BFC have to repay the loan, it's because ALK have gone bust and the asset will be worthless.

The point is that ALK is a limited company. If ALK goes bust, ALK has no regrets. ALK isn't upset. ALK will just cease to exist and ALK won't care, because it is a limited company and doesn't have feelings.

The owners of ALK have put in a few millions. £15m has been quoted. If it all goes belly up (ie. we get relegated), they lose £15m. If all goes well (ie. we don't get relegated and they sell the club on) then they make hundreds of millions. That's the owners' gamble. The debtors lose out (ie. Garlick only gets £100m or so instead of £150m), but most crucially the club loses out because the club would have to repay some of ALK's debts. That's the club's risk. ALK has the asset, but BFC has the liability.

If we get relegated and ALK goes bust, BFC has to somehow raise £60m or so to repay ALK's debts. That's why it's so vital, if ALK want to make profits (which they do) that they preserve BFC's biggest asset - a Premier League place. So what they want to do is spend just enough on players to keep us in the PL for long enough to sell the club on at a profit. That's all they're here for, profit. They can talk about these internet scouting systems and expanding the club's image overseas and such like, but the big money comes in selling the club at a profit. That must be their long-term, or even short-term, aim.

So they will spend what they think it takes to keep us up - and that's why they need to keep Dyche onside. Because if they fail to keep us up, their £15m investment probably goes west. (As possibly so does the club, but that isn't ALK's concern.)

I bet if you sat ALK down and put this summation to them and asked for a reply, they would not agree at all.
it reads as if Burnley football club were hugely gullible and have risked virtually everything on one solitary deal which is wholly dependent on surviving this season in the premier league.

[clarethomer]

With reference to my recent post regarding meeting dyche's criteria for signings, Ryan christie has been mentioned, he can play cm and also on the right, dyche has been known to favour players who can play in more one position. His stats between season 18-21 played 81 goals 25 assists 24. Just what's not to like, out of contract, wants a move by all accounts, think I've read he's interested, available for 5m, let's push this.

We know (as he has said as much yesterday in the press conference) it’s not just about the money, it’s not just about the competence/capabilities of a player either. They have to fit into the way burnley works off this pitch too and also fit into the group etc.

[HahaYeah]

Nixon on Ryan Christie: He was responding to whether Burnley would sign the player: “I keep being told no … but he’s a total steal.”

https://www.footballfancast.com/celtic- ... p-analysis

[kentonclaret]

We know (as he has said as much yesterday in the press conference) it’s not just about the money, it’s not just about the competence/capabilities of a player either. They have to fit into the way burnley works off this pitch too and also fit into the group etc.

And if the players that fit into that very narrow group choose elsewhere then we are pretty much left with going with what we have in place already.

[Bigvince]

THERE ARENT ANY !

We’ll if not post on a different thread, it’s not rocket science!

[Quickenthetempo]

This board needs a Sheriff.

[Blyclaret]

Thank god someone else said it.
Stick to thread title.

[Stockbrokerbelt]

Re-transfers, Christies wage demands are stupid according to several journalists that cover Scottish football, as for the ALK deal i keep mentioning the football finance expert from Liverpool university. He has stated several times the deal is a good & sensible one that only needed revenue increasing by 6mil to finance the loan. That’s a real expert not some of the posters who are not sure of their change from the chippy. mind you appently yellow doors is the new crisis & the latest massive mistake from ALK………….

[joey13]

We’ll if not post on a different thread, it’s not rocket science!

My reply was tongue in cheek

[KRBFC]

Correct but those 95% are not already playing PL football and there’s a reason. They are not good enough. Of the small percentage that are good enough some would be Championship players, like Brownhill, that many on here don’t see as upgrades and some would be abroad and, like Cornet, don’t fancy either of England or Burnley. If they are any good at all they will have counter offers from Spain, Italy or Germany. Quality leagues that pay good, if not PL, salaries.

Surely you don't actually believe that they all aren't playing PL football because they aren't good enough.

Cornet doesn't fancy England? you completely made that up, he's never said that.

Spain, Italy and Germany leagues aren't the PL, there's probably about 10-15 total clubs in those leagues who pay more in wages than us.

There's some very very good teams outside of the bigger nation leagues, leagues that have produced world class talent.

Shakhtar Donetsk- Willian, Fernandinho, Douglas Costa, Mkhitaryan, Alex Texeira

[KRBFC]

Halaand was playing in the Norway leagues with Ole as manager.

Sporting Benfica Porto have always produced great players.

The Dutch league, Belgium league has improved a ton recently, Greek, Czech league (Soucek Coufal).

Scottish league has always produced solid PL players and a couple of incredible ones.

These are all feeder leagues to the PL clubs, cherry pick.

[clarethomer]

And if the players that fit into that very narrow group choose elsewhere then we are pretty much left with going with what we have in place already.

I don't disagree with your observations but that is the problem. We have been successful because we have a group of players that work as a team. The sum of our team is greater than the individual parts that make it.

Generally speaking - you don't want to cause issues in the team when introducing new players so quite clearly, if there is any doubt in the minds of SD or his coaches then I can see why he doesn't go for these players.

To give a bit of context - we all know about the omelette and Barton. That was a process of SD trying to get a measure of the player and to see if there was the ability to contract with Barton on expected behaviour/outputs/standards and he came away with the confidence he would be a good fit. It proves Dyche is very good and particular in his leadership style to preserve the group and working environment which droves the performance he expects.

The other bit of context was when Austin came in, there has been a recent interview where he alludes to the fact that one of the first things he wanted to understand was who the bad eggs were. I.E. who are the disruptive ones, who are the ones that could undermine both his and his coaching teams success.

We are a club where we need to get the decisions right more than others - we should be pleased with this approach but one of the consequences of taking this approach is that we do narrow our pool of talent. It also probably explains why Dyche is very keen to get more players in younger with the expectation of getting a few more coming through like McNeil and Jay.

[alwaysaclaret]

And if the players that fit into that very narrow group choose elsewhere then we are pretty much left with going with what we have in place already.

Exactly, so in that context a player of he's ability even if he is a bit more difficult to manage is better to have than not have in our position, dyche really needs to give his head a wobble and realise he's never gonna get the perfect player, and understand that some will be more difficult than others, they can't all be perfect like him if not we're never going to sign anybody.

[clarethomer]

Re-transfers, Christies wage demands are stupid according to several journalists that cover Scottish football....

This COULD be a sign of a mercenary player/agent. Let's run your contract down and we will get better wages as they won't pay a massive fee.

It COULD be a reason why Dyche isn't interested in that he doesn't want to be dealing with players/agents who are approaching his next move about what gets him the most money rather than what will be the best move for the player and their development/career.

It could be 100 other reasons why this deal isn't happening but if he is that good and is such a bargain - you would have expected clubs to be fighting over him.

[clarethomer]

Exactly, so in that context a player of he's ability even if he is a bit more difficult to manage is better to have than not have in our position, dyche really needs to give his head a wobble and realise he's never gonna get the perfect player, and understand that some will be more difficult than others, they can't all be perfect like him if not we're never going to sign anybody.

I wholly disagree with this.

You're saying it's better to have a potential mutiny in the ranks than not just so we can increase numbers and say we have signed someone.

When we go through our inevitable run of poor results - you want players to keep calm and level headed- not bringing everyone around them down.

[warksclaret]

Exactly, so in that context a player of he's ability even if he is a bit more difficult to manage is better to have than not have in our position, dyche really needs to give his head a wobble and realise he's never gonna get the perfect player, and understand that some will be more difficult than others, they can't all be perfect like him if not we're never going to sign anybody.

At times, with his strong beliefs and ethics, I am surprised he signed Joey Barton. Having said this for me one of SD's best signings in the time he has been with us. For this reason you would have thought he might adopt a more open minded view point on certain players-Christie being a good example.

[alwaysaclaret]

I wholly disagree with this.

You're saying it's better to have a potential mutiny in the ranks than not just so we can increase numbers and say we have signed someone.

When we go through our inevitable run of poor results - you want players to keep calm and level headed- not bringing everyone around them down.

I absolutely agree with what your saying, but we just can't keep standing still, clearly we can't be signing idiots, but as has been mentioned joey Barton had baggage but was managed and imo we've never made any better signing, so all I'm saying is that sometimes you've just got to take a slight gamble, I just mentioned christie because of he's stats but there's other's out there with similar stats surely.

[DCWat]

I wholly disagree with this.

You're saying it's better to have a potential mutiny in the ranks than not just so we can increase numbers and say we have signed someone.

When we go through our inevitable run of poor results - you want players to keep calm and level headed- not bringing everyone around them down.

This is true to an extent, although management isn’t just about choosing the perfect characters, it’s also about being able to manage the more difficult ones.

Of course we don’t want blatantly difficult individuals, but there should be some flexibility, should a player with the right skill set become available.

[Shaggy]

We all understand that Dyche wants certain characters and tends to target players he is sure will fit in perfectly, but we don’t live in a perfect world and we have to take some risks regarding characters to get the quality of player required. This method for me is the major reason we are struggling to sign players as our market is so narrow.

Even if Ryan Christie or his agent is being greedy why should that exclude us from signing him? We can afford him and he would improve not only our first XI but our squad as a whole.

In business you have to deal with those who you don’t like working with to grow and improve, not doing so is cutting off your nose to spite your face and will cause you to be left behind. I think that’s what we are seeing here to be honest.

On the flip side if we do sign someone serious ( not Lennon ) then I will be confident that they will be of the required capability to improve us.

[gandhisflipflop]

This signing the right characters thing makes no sense as he signed Barton as alluded to above, also signed Hendrick when he had a court date set, signed Bardsley who has had a past too, Andre Gray had a past also. Just contradicts itself.

[warksclaret]

We all understand that Dyche wants certain characters and tends to target players he is sure will fit in perfectly, but we don’t live in a perfect world and we have to take some risks regarding characters to get the quality of player required. This method for me is the major reason we are struggling to sign players as our market is so narrow.

Even if Ryan Christie or his agent is being greedy why should that exclude us from signing him? We can afford him and he would improve not only our first XI but our squad as a whole.

In business you have to deal with those who you don’t like working with to grow and improve, not doing so is cutting off your nose to spite your face and will cause you to be left behind. I think that’s what we are seeing here to be honest.

On the flip side if we do sign someone serious ( not Lennon ) then I will be confident that they will be of the required capability to improve us.

I think if SD was to move to another PL Club it would prove quite an eye opener. The higher up the League, the bigger the personalities and the egos. Maybe a reason why he is happy with us

[warksclaret]

This signing the right characters thing makes no sense as he signed Barton as alluded to above, also signed Hendrick when he had a court date set, signed Bardsley who has had a past too, Andre Gray had a past also. Just contradicts itself.

Lets not forget Drinkwater too

[gandhisflipflop]

Lets not forget Drinkwater too

Forgot about him yes.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Lets not forget Drinkwater too

That was Garlick and not Dyche.

Point was proven tbh by the way Drinkwater behaved during his time here.

[Vegas Claret]

Halaand was playing in the Norway leagues with Ole as manager.

Sporting Benfica Porto have always produced great players.

The Dutch league, Belgium league has improved a ton recently, Greek, Czech league (Soucek Coufal).

Scottish league has always produced solid PL players and a couple of incredible ones.

These are all feeder leagues to the PL clubs, cherry pick.

what do you make of Ryan Christie ? must confess, not seen that much of him

[WiscoClaret]

Shaqiri a done deal to Lyon. Surely he is Cornet's replacement. I wonder if once he's announced that will set off our deal? You cant tell Liverpool that a deal is done for Cornet or they will know Lyon is flush with cash. Ergo, Shaqiri is done first to Lyon, then Cornet to us, and so on and so on...hopefully a trigger.
I think Nixon is letting on with his french tweets. There are probably a lot of details to work out on this one! Here's hoping he's announced by this time next week in our away kit!

Though....to be honest I'm not holding my breath.

Bump now that we aren’t discussing take over....

Any thoughts?

[Mattster]

Bump now that we aren’t discussing take over....

Any thoughts?

Don't think they've brought in Shaqiri to play left wing back. Think he's more of a Depay replacement (/massive downgrade).

[randomclaret2]

This signing the right characters thing makes no sense as he signed Barton as alluded to above, also signed Hendrick when he had a court date set, signed Bardsley who has had a past too, Andre Gray had a past also. Just contradicts itself.

Its just another way of saying "we're short of cash"

[elwaclaret]

All those calling Mike a Garlick, and indeed Pace. Should ask themselves why such men can Afford to be such disappointments to you.

They have run Burnley football club and progressed it. Barry Kirby did not have the money needed, Garlick was brought in. When Kirby and Garlick ran out of ideas they brought in Pace.

It would have been much better, I assume,nfor some if wads of cash had been the main criteria… because that has worked so well for most who try it.

If Pace can leave having advanced the club as much as the previous regime, I suggest it is the critics that need to look at themselves, and if they are more capable, maybe they should be getting those extra millions into their banks to make an offer rather than waste their time bitching on a fan website.

[Chester Perry]

Not a rumour but at least transfer type discussion

Interesting thread on why it is now easier for English clubs to sign American Players (also applies to Mexican ones)

https://twitter.com/PaulTenorio/status/ ... 7056491520

[buzzclarets79]

So we line up tomorrow with not a single new signing in the starting 11 from last season. That I’m afraid is absolutely shocking, yet now some seats in Turf Moor are now £50 per match. Alarm bells ringing yet?

[Pearcey]

So we line up tomorrow with not a single new signing in the starting 11 from last season. That I’m afraid is absolutely shocking, yet now some seats in Turf Moor are now £50 per match. Alarm bells ringing yet?

They’ll ring if it’s the same on the 1st September.