Russia Invades

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:24 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:48 am
Is it a worry.
I can see it's a real possibility, but should we be worried by the consequences, I fear the consequences of Russia succeeding far more. The message that it sends to China alone, that just because the West enjoys an easy life-style doesn't make us weak. That political bullies will be faced off. That expansionism, will not be tolerated. There are a lot of lessons here for any despots in the World to see.
It's a fight nobody wants, but a fight we can't afford to avoid. I would say can't afford to lose, but nobody wins in this scenario.

You hit the nail on the head right there, succinctly.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:51 pm

As this lady points out, why did Russia have to retaliate for the ship being sunk when it was an accident.

https://twitter.com/innasovsun/status/1 ... QwJ9-qcp8w

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:57 pm

Russian, er, "spontaneous" column of JCBs and diggers to destroy the war graves of the Poles Russia murdered in Katyn near Smolensk

But they decided against it, because they are apparently the "good guys"

Honestly, they make your average Johnson apologist look positive normal

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/statu ... 1309708295

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:22 pm

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... t-april-14

Daily update

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:24 pm

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... he-burned/

Location of the final hours of the Moskva on satellite imagery

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:43 pm

ROB LEE: The Tractor boys. Andrew Neil retweeted and is asking if Ukrainians tractor army should be classed as the forth/fifth world military power.

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1515 ... qZmqwmZaww

maidenover · Post by **maidenover** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:21 pm

My first post on this thread. At this time of the year, I live in Phoenix, Arizona - home of Luke Air Force Base. Its a base for pilot flight training - lots of F-35’s. We normally have half a dozen flights of two aircraft buzzing over per day, but since this conflict started it increased to groups of four then six aircraft at a time. There is also an loose agreement between the City and the AFB to fly between 8am and 8pm, again in normal conditions, but now its basically around the clock. I happened to be up at 3am the other morning and a bunch of fighters went over.
It would obviously be remiss of the USAF not to be prepared for conflict involvement but they really have ramped up their manuoevers this last couple of weeks.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:39 pm

maidenover wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:21 pm
My first post on this thread. At this time of the year, I live in Phoenix, Arizona - home of Luke Air Force Base. Its a base for pilot flight training - lots of F-35’s. We normally have half a dozen flights of two aircraft buzzing over per day, but since this conflict started it increased to groups of four then six aircraft at a time. There is also an loose agreement between the City and the AFB to fly between 8am and 8pm, again in normal conditions, but now its basically around the clock. I happened to be up at 3am the other morning and a bunch of fighters went over.
It would obviously be remiss of the USAF not to be prepared for conflict involvement but they really have ramped up their manuoevers this last couple of weeks.

No real surprise when Putin is allegedly carrying the nukes codes around with him.

Let’s hope their practice flights just give them experience and not combat experience to follow.

Slava Ukraine

maidenover · Post by **maidenover** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:37 am

“Let’s hope their practice flights just give them experience and not combat experience to follow.”

Couldn’t agree more Lowbank. They do a lot of flight training for new pilots but also a lot of mission training for the combat ready guys.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:27 pm

https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status ... 4079271945

Thread on the weaknesses of the Moskva

I would have laughed at threads like this two months ago, but now?

Not a chance

The biggest info I took out of that is that the USN has 67 ships with a SAM system that is equal or better to the Moskva, while the Russians now have only three

They are so outclassed at sea v NATO

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:03 pm

NEXTA: British Special Forces back in Ukraine training defenders

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... 7m2zsL2Qpg

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:09 pm

GARRY KASPAROV - Weak leadership of Russian forces a result of the way sicophants get promoted by a leader who blames the messenger for bad news, and looks at the Moscova sinking

https://twitter.com/kasparov63/status/1 ... 7m2zsL2Qpg

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:15 pm

maidenover wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:21 pm
My first post on this thread. At this time of the year, I live in Phoenix, Arizona - home of Luke Air Force Base. Its a base for pilot flight training - lots of F-35’s. We normally have half a dozen flights of two aircraft buzzing over per day, but since this conflict started it increased to groups of four then six aircraft at a time. There is also an loose agreement between the City and the AFB to fly between 8am and 8pm, again in normal conditions, but now its basically around the clock. I happened to be up at 3am the other morning and a bunch of fighters went over.
It would obviously be remiss of the USAF not to be prepared for conflict involvement but they really have ramped up their manuoevers this last couple of weeks.

exercise at Luke, not sure it's much more than that tbh

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:15 pm

LIGHT RELIEF from GARRY KASPAROV: Lego release new kit of Russian Flagship

https://twitter.com/kasparov63/status/1 ... 7m2zsL2Qpg

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:31 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:27 pm
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status ... 4079271945

Thread on the weaknesses of the Moskva

I would have laughed at threads like this two months ago, but now?

Not a chance

The biggest info I took out of that is that the USN has 67 ships with a SAM system that is equal or better to the Moskva, while the Russians now have only three

They are so outclassed at sea v NATO

Good friend of my ex military, navy, texted me say he has heard from several channels inside the UK military. The ship was actually hit by two uk supplied brimstone missiles launched from a UK modified Helicopter. Using laser guidance from the drone.
Obviously now it’s at the bottom of the Black Sea, we will never know.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:46 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:03 pm
NEXTA: British Special Forces back in Ukraine training defenders

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... 7m2zsL2Qpg

I wouldn’t pay much attention to this firstly if they were there why would it come out? 100% the Government would stop it being printed if they were. True or not and I think there was an article in the daily mail as well, how utterly irresponsible to put it in print or online. I read the mail article and it was going on about NLAW training now if we had trainers in theatre which I am skeptical about I can think of a million and other things, if it was SAS, that they would teach other than NLAW.

For clarity this type of role is normally performed by the rangers battalions as it was pre invasion.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:43 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:46 pm
I wouldn’t pay much attention to this firstly if they were there why would it come out? 100% the Government would stop it being printed if they were. True or not and I think there was an article in the daily mail as well, how utterly irresponsible to put it in print or online. I read the mail article and it was going on about NLAW training now if we had trainers in theatre which I am skeptical about I can think of a million and other things, if it was SAS, that they would teach other than NLAW.

For clarity this type of role is normally performed by the rangers battalions as it was pre invasion.

No mention of where they are or which ‘special force’ it may be… we have SBS Marines, Commandoes etc. NEXTA is a news agency, while not making it gospel… it is widely picked up by experts and quoted.

MODERATOR - Just to add, Nexta now sourcing the story as coming from The Times.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:53 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:43 pm
No mention of where they are or which ‘special force’ it may be… we have SBS Marines, Commandoes etc. NEXTA is a news agency, while not making it gospel… it is widely picked up by experts and quoted.

I had just come back on as I had realised the way I worded my response it could have been mistaken apologies. Just so you know I was talking about the Daily Mail who should never have printed the story unless they’re were given permission by the Government, of course, but stuff like that if true normally comes out months maybe years later. The picture was of Booties but I imagine they weren’t the ones in theatre if indeed anyone was.

The daily mail story was a couple of days ago and there have been no denials or anything. The Russians haven’t mentioned it yet and they have accused us of all sorts. No idea if it is true or not but hey it will come out in the wash as they say.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:56 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:43 pm
No mention of where they are or which ‘special force’ it may be… we have SBS Marines, Commandoes etc. NEXTA is a news agency, while not making it gospel… it is widely picked up by experts and quoted.

MODERATOR - Just to add, Nexta now sourcing the story as coming from The Times.

Hmmm I may have called the mail incorrectly maybe my eyesight is bad

either way still a strange story to run at this time.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:04 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:56 pm
Hmmm I may have called the mail incorrectly maybe my eyesight is bad either way still a strange story to run at this time.

Not sure, it sends a message that Ukraine will not be putting kids in the firing line, unready. Cannot harm moral in the West and have the polar effect on moral of Russian officers leading raw conscripts.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:07 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:04 pm
Not sure, it sends a message that Ukraine will not be putting kids in the firing line, unready. Cannot harm moral in the West and have the polar effect on moral of Russian officers leading raw conscripts.

It also says that the UK/NATO is active in Ukraine so can prove the Russian narrative for them not that it needs to be proved for there internal audience.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:09 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:07 pm
It also says that the UK/NATO is active in Ukraine so can prove the Russian narrative for them not that it needs to be proved for there internal audience.

Don’t think we’ve ever claimed not to be, to be fair; only that we are not actively involved in the fighting.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:12 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:09 pm
Don’t think we’ve ever claimed not to be, to be fair; only that we are not actively involved in the fighting.

Hmmmm I think you are right certainly recently but we did innitially say we were removing all UK Forces.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:16 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:12 pm
Hmmmm I think you are right certainly recently but we did innitially say we were removing all UK Forces.

Sorry not being a smart arse (I hope) We did withdraw them so they would not find themselves engaged, now the Russian’s are gone and it is (relatively) safe to assume they will not have to defend themselves and drag us into a war footing.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:26 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:16 pm
Sorry not being a smart arse (I hope) We did withdraw them so they would not find themselves engaged, now the Russian’s are gone and it is (relatively) safe to assume they will not have to defend themselves and drag us into a war footing.

Not if they were in the west of Ukraine they wouldn’t have been, but they had to be withdrawn for that reason agreed. For me it is too soon for them to redeploy and too risky especially when they can do the training over the border risk free anyway I could be wrong but a huge risk if it happened.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:30 pm

Russia loses eighth general in latest blow to Putin's botched invasion https://mol.im/a/10724673 via https://dailym.ai/android

Another Colonel and General killed.
The Russian Officers are having a really bad war.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:33 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:26 pm
Not if they were in the west of Ukraine they wouldn’t have been, but they had to be withdrawn for that reason agreed. For me it is too soon for them to redeploy and too risky especially when they can do the training over the border risk free anyway I could be wrong but a huge risk if it happened.

Or considered less of a risk than we are being told? Again, just trying to make sense of it. Presumably, The Times will have been acting with the full knowledge of the relevant Government departments. Even in the past the TIMES have only turned on authority when its been morally corrupt (for example they broke Peterloo massacre of 1819 nationally). It is why the Times is still highly respected (mostly), and why generally it is taken so seriously when they attack the Government.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:57 pm

To digress, The Times in 1819 is different to todays Murdoch paper. As far as I'm concerned anyway it is just another paper these days.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:02 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:33 pm
Or considered less of a risk than we are being told? Again, just trying to make sense of it. Presumably, The Times will have been acting with the full knowledge of the relevant Government departments. Even in the past the TIMES have only turned on authority when its been morally corrupt (for example they broke Peterloo massacre of 1819 nationally). It is why the Times is still highly respected (mostly), and why generally it is taken so seriously when they attack the Government.

Same to be fare in my second or third post I did backtrack a little and mention it could have been agreed. The press, all of them, were more or less totally onside when it came to what they released and when it was in Afghan and Iraq, not the same But they would probably be the same here as well I guess.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:03 pm

Hipper wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:57 pm
To digress, The Times in 1819 is different to todays Murdoch paper. As far as I'm concerned anyway it is just another paper these days.

Not sure of the ownership (to be honest) but the Times is still considered ‘Broadsheet’, and close to official unofficial sources of the government. I don’t read it (except in research) but they don’t tend to rock the boat unnecessarily and still draw serious journalists.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:28 pm

made me chuckle

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:36 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:28 pm
made me chuckle

Loved the Tractor kit too

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:54 pm

BBC WORLD SERVICE: Boris Johnson heads the list of several British politicians BANNED from Russia (bet they are gutted) over British attitude to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1515 ... KLlBpnRHZw

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:12 am

NEXTA: with more updates on reaction to Muskova sinking, from official channels and family members.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... KLlBpnRHZw

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... KLlBpnRHZw

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... KLlBpnRHZw

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:14 am

OSINTtechnical: Russian forces continue to amass on Eastern border

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/stat ... KLlBpnRHZw

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:16 am

ROB LEE: (Russian sourced) confirmation of Russian Naval Infantry Losses

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1515 ... KLlBpnRHZw

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:18 am

ROB LEE: Russian Major General Frolov, district commander of the south, killed and buried today.

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1515 ... KLlBpnRHZw

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:24 am

Hipper wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:57 pm
To digress, The Times in 1819 is different to todays Murdoch paper. As far as I'm concerned anyway it is just another paper these days.

With a poisonous editorial page......as all Murdoch publications have.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:57 pm

Kyiv Independent - German Minister suggests there i evidence Russian Forces are deliberately targeting agricultural infrastructure to maximise the long term effect of war on Ukraine, and threatening food stability for the world potentially for years to come.

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/sta ... PaKEB-wcmQ

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:02 pm

REUTERS: Ukrainian PM confirms the Russian deadline for Mariupol’s surrender passed without acknowledgment and Mariupol remains contested

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1515 ... PaKEB-wcmQ

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:47 am

https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/ ... 1086586882

First pics of the Moskva after being hit by two missiles

Defo at least one clear missile hit

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:27 am

For those who don’t link to Twitter and those who love a good conspiracy. Here is a before and after from a similar angle.

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Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:37 am

An analysis picture.

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Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:57 am

Short video of the Moskva on fire and listing

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1515962198488625152

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:43 am

https://twitter.com/johnkonrad/status/1 ... m4WYQ&s=19

I found this a good read, along with the various comments about the Moskva

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:34 am

REUTERS: Several killed in Lviv due to missile strikes as Russia intensifies attacks

https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/ ... uk9ROaedtw

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:36 am

NEXTA: Also covering the Lviv attack

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... uk9ROaedtw

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... uk9ROaedtw

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:41 am

REUTERS: Russian bank chief admits it will take two years from this point for Russian economy to recover financial stability pre-war plan, due to sanctions even though many of the effects are yet to really bite.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1515 ... uk9ROaedtw

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:51 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:41 am

OT: Elwac, cheers for what you said on the other thread. Thought I'd say it on here rather than awaken the thread.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:01 pm

Sorry for yet another idiot question but can one presume that Moscow's comments a week back (?) about shifting the focus towards the east were the usual lies or did they indeed leave a reduced force there. I ask this following the bombing of Lviv and Kiev.

How far away could these missile-launchers be to hit Lviv and Kiev?