Summer transfer window

[Guller Bull]

Training camp? I thought it was a holiday?

It was a training camp FACT

Muric said so! and he is better than Trafford under VK or not!

[boatshed bill]

That's probably because we jumped in too early with signings which has been unheard of in recent years

The early September bit, done for a couple of big clubs, really didn't help.
In any case, it's pretty obvious that agents are working all through the season and lots of the initial business is done outside the windows.

[BigGaz]

No way are folk complaining we've done early business. Absolutely no way.

Just when you think the collective mania of this gaff can never be topped someone comes along to push the boundaries of what we all thought was possible.

Outrageous stuff. That's me done for today I think

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

On the potential Man City Trafford fee - they don't have to offer the buy out, obviously.

They are well within their rights to offer £33m or what ever, and say take it or leave it.

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[bumba]

But the contract we have with Man City says he is.

No it doesn't, it says that's the release clause. City clearly don't feel he is worth that amount yet or they'd have paid it.
Anyone who thinks James Trafford is worth £40 million currently is seriously deluded.
If we get it Alan Pace deserves all the credit in the world, if we get £30 million for him we've hit the jackpot

[Guller Bull]

On the potential Man City Trafford fee - they don't have to offer the buy out, obviously.

They are well within their rights to offer £33m or what ever, and say take it or leave it.

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how does that work then and what is the point of it? Genuine (perhaps thick question - but it is Monday morning )

[Firthy]

how does that work then and what is the point of it? Genuine (perhaps thick question - but it is Monday morning )

It means if they offer £40m then we have to accept it and can't ask for anything higher. But if they offer lower then we can refuse.

[JR1882]

No it doesn't, it says that's the release clause. City clearly don't feel he is worth that amount yet or they'd have paid it.
Anyone who thinks James Trafford is worth £40 million currently is seriously deluded.
If we get it Alan Pace deserves all the credit in the world, if we get £30 million for him we've hit the jackpot

I don’t think they don’t feel he is worth it, just that they have made very significant outlays this year already re moulding their squad and trying to move massive wage players into fees for new ones. I’d imagine they are just trying to get the best value they can and having watched Newcastle fumble about in the mid 20’s may feel that 30+ will do the job irrespective of any buy back that’s in the sale agreement.

[boatshed bill]

I'm beginning to feel a bit sorry for Trafford, all this wheeling and dealing and he missed the players' holiday

[bumba]

how does that work then and what is the point of it? Genuine (perhaps thick question - but it is Monday morning )

If a club offers the release clause then the offer is automatically accepted and the player is free to talk to the bidding club.
If they bid anything less then we have a right to refuse it or discuss the bid and the player shouldn't speak to the bidding club without permission (agents do though)

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

That's it Firthy.

Offer £42m and it's taken out of our hands - a 'call option' in favour of Man City, in effect.

Any lower, and we hold the cards, but we may will choose to accept if that's as high as they will go and we don't want to risk them leaving the negotiations and we are back at the behest of £26m bids from Newcastle only.

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[martin_p]

No it doesn't, it says that's the release clause. City clearly don't feel he is worth that amount yet or they'd have paid it.
Anyone who thinks James Trafford is worth £40 million currently is seriously deluded.
If we get it Alan Pace deserves all the credit in the world, if we get £30 million for him we've hit the jackpot

Whatever it says if they want to pay more than the £40m that would guarantee the Trafford on a first choice keeper then I’d still be telling them to knock themselves out.

[Bow]

No it doesn't, it says that's the release clause. City clearly don't feel he is worth that amount yet or they'd have paid it.
Anyone who thinks James Trafford is worth £40 million currently is seriously deluded.
If we get it Alan Pace deserves all the credit in the world, if we get £30 million for him we've hit the jackpot

Agreed. £40m would make him the fourth most expensive GK in history.

He’s a very good keeper in the Championship, and probably will be a good PL keeper next season. But he’s not so good to be the fourth most expensive GK in my view. I don’t think he’s anywhere near as good as Heaton or Pope were for us.

[Pearcey]

No way are folk complaining we've done early business. Absolutely no way.

Just when you think the collective mania of this gaff can never be topped someone comes along to push the boundaries of what we all thought was possible.

Outrageous stuff. That's me done for today I think

I’m not sure you’ve read CT’s post right there, Gaz. It just explains why people are bored of the window because we got stuff done early. Some fans seem to want new signings every week!

[Steddyman]

On the potential Man City Trafford fee - they don't have to offer the buy out, obviously.

They are well within their rights to offer £33m or what ever, and say take it or leave it.

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But if there sell on percentage is 20%, wouldn't they only need to offer £32m? They could pay us £40m, but then we would need to give them £8m back immediately

[NewClaret]

But if there sell on percentage is 20%, wouldn't they only need to offer £32m? They could pay us £40m, but then we would need to give them £8m back immediately

It’s typically 20% of any profit, not total fee.

[NewClaret]

We’re all assuming it’s 3x£14m paid for Trafford. We probably still owe money on that deal, which would presumably reduce the outlay for City, but also, we may have paid more add-ons now following promotion so it may be higher? E.g. 3x£15m - £45m.

We just don’t know really.

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

Agree Steddy and New.

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[billyhamilton82]

No way are folk complaining we've done early business. Absolutely no way.

Just when you think the collective mania of this gaff can never be topped someone comes along to push the boundaries of what we all thought was possible.

Outrageous stuff. That's me done for today I think

Fully agree, some clubs still haven't signed anyone, our lot complain they are bored after 10 incoming transfers and a possible £40 milion deal with Man City.

What did everyone do when all of our business was we signed Dale Stephens for £1m?

[Guller Bull]

Does anyone know if we made any progress on the signing of the young promising lad from Salford?

[Row x]

Does anyone know if we made any progress on the signing of the young promising lad from Salford?

The one who's gone to arsenal?

[IanMcL]

But if there sell on percentage is 20%, wouldn't they only need to offer £32m? They could pay us £40m, but then we would need to give them £8m back immediately

We don't know the conditions of the buyback clause. We inly know the 20% applies if we sell elsewhere. However, if Newcastle had paid the,£40m expected, then £4m would go to City. So £36m should be the negotiating start point.

[KRBFC]

Agreed. £40m would make him the fourth most expensive GK in history.

He’s a very good keeper in the Championship, and probably will be a good PL keeper next season. But he’s not so good to be the fourth most expensive GK in my view. I don’t think he’s anywhere near as good as Heaton or Pope were for us.

I think you’re drunk, the huge thing you’re missing is Pope and Heaton weren’t 20 year old and starting for us in the PL, they were older and more experienced. Trafford last season was amongst the top 5-10 goalkeepers in the world on metrics and he’s still only 22 years old, he’s gonna have a huge career and will make more England caps than Heaton or Pope have combined.

[Bow]

I think you’re drunk, the huge thing you’re missing is Pope and Heaton weren’t 20 year old and starting for us in the PL, they were older and more experienced. Trafford last season was amongst the top 5-10 goalkeepers in the world on metrics and he’s still only 22 years old, he’s gonna have a huge career and will make more England caps than Heaton or Pope have combined.

Yeah I get that. It just seems crazy money for a player who was massively out of his depth in the PL last time out.

Has he really improved that much in 12 months? I guess we won’t know until the season starts. It’s a hell of a risk for City though if he’s No1 and Ederson and Ortega go

[Guller Bull]

The one who's gone to arsenal?

Not sure? We were linked with a player from there a couple of weeks ago? Is it the same lad?

[Guller Bull]

Found it
https://www.footballinsider247.com/excl ... l-malcolm/

[burnley007]

I hadn't realised McAtee was in the last year of his contract.
Interesting

[Andingle]

I think you’re drunk, the huge thing you’re missing is Pope and Heaton weren’t 20 year old and starting for us in the PL, they were older and more experienced. Trafford last season was amongst the top 5-10 goalkeepers in the world on metrics and he’s still only 22 years old, he’s gonna have a huge career and will make more England caps than Heaton or Pope have combined.

Absolutely
At 23/24 year old Nick Pope was on loan at York City and Tom Heaton on loan at Wycombe Wanderers.

[Steddyman]

We don't know the conditions of the buyback clause. We inly know the 20% applies if we sell elsewhere. However, if Newcastle had paid the,£40m expected, then £4m would go to City. So £36m should be the negotiating start point.

I think we are agreeing, but your maths need some work. 20% of £40m is £8m. So £8m would have done to City and £32m to us. But it also depends on if the percentage is on profit, and not sale price as pointed out above.

[Guller Bull]

Probably already been posted but hiccough on Obafemis move to Turkey.

https://www.balls.ie/football/michael-o ... ute-636416

[ŽižkovClaret]

No it doesn't, it says that's the release clause. City clearly don't feel he is worth that amount yet or they'd have paid it.
Anyone who thinks James Trafford is worth £40 million currently is seriously deluded.
If we get it Alan Pace deserves all the credit in the world, if we get £30 million for him we've hit the jackpot

I just keep thinking about how long ago it was that Pickford went for 30m. That's the relevant comparison for me.....

[GetIntoEm]

I think we are agreeing, but your maths need some work. 20% of £40m is £8m. So £8m would have done to City and £32m to us. But it also depends on if the percentage is on profit, and not sale price as pointed out above.

It's 20% of profit, so based on us paying £14m for him it'd be about £5.2m based on a £40m sale

[Commy]

I just keep thinking about how long ago it was that Pickford went for 30m. That's the relevant comparison for me.....

I'm the same, especially as they seem to have a very similar path up to this stage of their careers.

[bumba]

I think you’re drunk, the huge thing you’re missing is Pope and Heaton weren’t 20 year old and starting for us in the PL, they were older and more experienced. Trafford last season was amongst the top 5-10 goalkeepers in the world on metrics and he’s still only 22 years old, he’s gonna have a huge career and will make more England caps than Heaton or Pope have combined.

'he's gonna have a huge career and will make more England caps than Heaton and Pope have combined.'

You and nobody else can guarantee this quote

[bumba]

I just keep thinking about how long ago it was that Pickford went for 30m. That's the relevant comparison for me.....

The price of goalkeepers hasn't increased the same as outfield players though.

[AfloatinClaret]

What did everyone do when all of our business was we signed Dale Stephens for £1m?

Complained... Same as this summer... Same as every summer. That's what 'Summer Transfer Window' threads are for, they provide something to complain about/on until we start playing again and have player performances, management tactics, refereeing decisions, etc. to complain about.

[ŽižkovClaret]

'he's gonna have a huge career and will make more England caps than Heaton and Pope have combined.'

You and nobody else can guarantee this quote

All transfers are a gamble, to some extent

[boatshed bill]

I’m not sure you’ve read CT’s post right there, Gaz. It just explains why people are bored of the window because we got stuff done early. Some fans seem to want new signings every week!

And some jusf find the length of this window totally out of proportion and all the guff that goes with it tedious, regardless of what business is done and when.

[Newcastleclaret93]

'he's gonna have a huge career and will make more England caps than Heaton and Pope have combined.'

You and nobody else can guarantee this quote

I mean if Trafford goes to City I would go as far as saying he might have more combined caps than pope and Heaton (for England) by the end of next summer.

He only needs to get 4 caps for England. I think it’s almost a certain he beats that and quite comfortably too.

He’s signing for best football team in England

[bumba]

All transfers are a gamble, to some extent

Exactly and a £40 million gamble on a player that flopped in the premier league last time is a big ask.
City know him better than anyone and clearly aren't confident he's worth that sort of money

[ŽižkovClaret]

Exactly and a £40 million gamble on a player that flopped in the premier league last time is a big ask.
City know him better than anyone and clearly aren't confident he's worth that sort of money

So, sod em, we keep him

[Vegas Claret]

Probably already been posted but hiccough on Obafemis move to Turkey.

https://www.balls.ie/football/michael-o ... ute-636416

that's a bit grim if accurate

[Murger]

Unpaid wages? That doesn’t seem reyt.

[burnley007]

Unpaid wages? That doesn’t seem reyt.

Doesn't say wages...

Obafemi's transfer has now been held up by issues over money apparently owed to him by his current club.

Could be bonuses (promotion bonus?)

[Murger]

Doesn't say wages...

Obafemi's transfer has now been held up by issues over money apparently owed to him by his current club.

Could be bonuses (promotion bonus?)

Fair point.

[Taffy on the wing]

..................ALL IS DROSS!!!...............

[NewClaret]

that's a bit grim if accurate

I wouldn’t believe a single thing written by the Turkish media mate.

[Goody1975]

that's a bit grim if accurate

Payroll probably said "Michael who?"

[Vegas Claret]

I wouldn’t believe a single thing written by the Turkish media mate.

indeed !

[BurnleyFC]

Doesn't say wages...

Obafemi's transfer has now been held up by issues over money apparently owed to him by his current club.

Could be bonuses (promotion bonus?)

We’ve trademarked the ‘Obafemz’ brand.