Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:25 am

Damo wrote:That's basically the theme of this thread. And every other since we voted to leave

Pure irony ?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:57 am

dsr wrote:The argument that the House of Commons had its fingers crossed when it agreed to implement it, so the promise doesn't count, is pretty thin.

No, it’s actually factual and nothing to do with fingers crossed...

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It does not contain any requirement for the UK Government to implement the results of the referendum, nor set a time limit by which a vote to leave the EU should be implemented.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:08 am

If anything has come from this thread it’s thst dsr is to be trusted less than our politicians.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:18 am

dsr wrote:In the same way as you believe that the moon is made of blue cheese? You're making things up.

Of course the referendum has a legal basis. It was provided for in the Conservative party referendum which won the election, it was voted for by both main parties and passed through Parliament by a huge majority, the result was accepted by both main parties, both main parties promised in their manifestos to abide by the result, and the vote to put the result into practice was again passed by a huge majority with both main parties supporting it. That's a legal basis.

What I said was, that I don't know whether there is a legal basis to stop the Houses of Parliament demanding referendum after referendum, without ever putting the result in practice until they get the result they want. But there is a moral basis against it.

It’d be easier to just say ‘I agree’.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:27 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:There isn't mandate for "No Deal"

You want a "No Deal", you won't compromise and you are not bothered about the lack of a mandate. That is the reality you are ignoring and it doesn't sound very democratic

Of course there is a mandate for no deal. The people voted Leave. MPs had no bloody right in the first place, to try and take control of Brexit, after they had given it to the people to decide. As Leave won, then negotiations should have been conducted by those MPs who supported it.
Remainers should be allowed to voice their opinion but they had no right to hijack it.
I always wanted a Deal, but TMs deal was ****, it still is.
You lie to people all the time pretending that with a No Deal everything comes to a grinding halt, it doesn't. It just means that we pay tariffs on our exports to the EU. It just means that there are extra forms to fill in when we export to the EU. It just means we have to show our passports when we travel to the EU. But nothing stops.
You still lie to people claiming that no deal would hurt us but not the EU. We are, or were , 1/28th of the member states, but our industry is greater than the lowest 19 members added together.
The Germans , who do 15% of their trade with Britain, blame all this mess on France, not on us. In the same speech in Brussels the German opposition party claim that it was only Britains bloc vote added to their own, that curbed the excesses of the Med members. If we leave the balance of power will shift to those Med members, and Germany could end up having to pay for the excesses of those countries on it's own. In those circumstances they might well have to consider leaving as well.
Other national members still blame this mess on Junker and his allies trying to punish Britain for Brexit, in order to deter anyone else from following. This isn't Farage speaking, but other countries agreeing with him. They know that if Brexit is a success then the dream is over, and many countries are watching closely and will follow suit if we do succeed.
They blame the speed and the direction of European Commission for the last 10 years for causing Brexit in the first place. We aren't on the outside looking in, we have many friends in Europe, who want to continue trading with us after we leave.
Your blind irrational panic isn't warranted, isn't helpful, and isn't honest.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:39 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:They didn't vote for any deal, they just voted to leave. If the type of deal was relevant, then it should have been an issue when politicians on both sides were campaigning prior to the referendum. I dont recall it being mentioned once.

That's almost all there was, the public being told they could have every type of leave deal under the sun.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:41 am

It is against the constitution some say for there to be a referendum on a referendum. Until the mandate has been implemented I.e Brexit has occurred to hold a second referendum would be extremely dodgy ground, as I’m pretty sure the speaker is very much more aware than I am.

Love to see the link for that.

Look, I get people are not happy because they are not getting their personal bespoke Brexit but we can't go along make stuff up without backing it up or this isn't going to get sorted.

Best deal is still Mays deal, but at the moment that is defeated so no point bringing it back.

Which means we wait till Monday to see what the MPs will agree with.

Important point - If Brexiteer MPs refuse to take part, then the chances of a revoke or an PV go up massively btw

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:46 am

But as I suspect Burcoe is going to be forced to make perfectly clear they cannot a. Constitutionally go for another referendum, without breaking rules that have always been a cornerstone of parliament since The reformation for the very reason it prevents parliament becoming a dictatorship.

The speaker knows he is going to have to give some lectures out before the vote. Parliaments choice is deal or no deal, he is going into the history books that is for sure, he either causes a constitutional crisis that could open us up to dictatorship, even from Europe or he says parliaments times up.

Source?

I'm sorry elwa, but this is way past anything I've seen. Not even a hint from the media, the papers, the constitutional experts. Its is 100% bullshit.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:50 am

CombatClaret wrote:That's almost all there was, the public being told they could have every type of leave deal under the sun.

Subject to the EU agreeing, some people wanted a hard brexit, I think so far it hasn’t turned out so bad from a remain point of view, the leavers know well have a pretty good idea of what is going on & you could argue a no deal constitutes progress on a closure front. Nobody I recall prior to the referendum were specific on future guarantees well how could their be when the result was uncertain at that time. The notion of what could potentially happen was bandied about.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:52 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:Of course there is a mandate for no deal. The people voted Leave. MPs had no bloody right in the first place, to try and take control of Brexit, after they had given it to the people to decide. As Leave won, then negotiations should have been conducted by those MPs who supported it.
Remainers should be allowed to voice their opinion but they had no right to hijack it.
I always wanted a Deal, but TMs deal was ****, it still is.
You lie to people all the time pretending that with a No Deal everything comes to a grinding halt, it doesn't. It just means that we pay tariffs on our exports to the EU. It just means that there are extra forms to fill in when we export to the EU. It just means we have to show our passports when we travel to the EU. But nothing stops.
You still lie to people claiming that no deal would hurt us but not the EU. We are, or were , 1/28th of the member states, but our industry is greater than the lowest 19 members added together.
The Germans , who do 15% of their trade with Britain, blame all this mess on France, not on us. In the same speech in Brussels the German opposition party claim that it was only Britains bloc vote added to their own, that curbed the excesses of the Med members. If we leave the balance of power will shift to those Med members, and Germany could end up having to pay for the excesses of those countries on it's own. In those circumstances they might well have to consider leaving as well.
Other national members still blame this mess on Junker and his allies trying to punish Britain for Brexit, in order to deter anyone else from following. This isn't Farage speaking, but other countries agreeing with him. They know that if Brexit is a success then the dream is over, and many countries are watching closely and will follow suit if we do succeed.
They blame the speed and the direction of European Commission for the last 10 years for causing Brexit in the first place. We aren't on the outside looking in, we have many friends in Europe, who want to continue trading with us after we leave.
Your blind irrational panic isn't warranted, isn't helpful, and isn't honest.

No one has said everything will stop, just that it will take longer and be more expensive and that will have a big impact on large parts of the economy. No one has said the EU will not be impacted, just that the impact will be less. If we go WTO we’ll be trading with all our major trading partners on those terms, not just the EU. For the EU the only change is that they’ll be trading with Britain on WTO terms. An impact yes (which is why they’re keen to avoid no deal as well) but less of an impact.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:52 am

Second referendum defeated 3 times.
Yet your still in favour
So much for Bercows 1604 rule

So that "No deal" beaten 3 times, "2nd ref" beaten three times, "Mays deal" beaten twice, "Malthouse compromise" beaten three times, "Custom Union" beaten once, "Common Market 2.0" beaten once, "Some mad one I've forgotten done by that bloke who can't spell his name properly (Fysh)" beaton once, "revoke article 50" beaten once.

Thats every possible option gone*.

Safe to say that doesn't help.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:55 am

Of course there is a mandate for no deal. The people voted Leave. MPs had no bloody right in the first place, to try and take control of Brexit, after they had given it to the people to decide. As Leave won, then negotiations should have been conducted by those MPs who supported it.
Remainers should be allowed to voice their opinion but they had no right to hijack it.
I always wanted a Deal, but TMs deal was ****, it still is.
You lie to people all the time pretending that with a No Deal everything comes to a grinding halt, it doesn't. It just means that we pay tariffs on our exports to the EU. It just means that there are extra forms to fill in when we export to the EU. It just means we have to show our passports when we travel to the EU. But nothing stops.
You still lie to people claiming that no deal would hurt us but not the EU. We are, or were , 1/28th of the member states, but our industry is greater than the lowest 19 members added together.
The Germans , who do 15% of their trade with Britain, blame all this mess on France, not on us. In the same speech in Brussels the German opposition party claim that it was only Britains bloc vote added to their own, that curbed the excesses of the Med members. If we leave the balance of power will shift to those Med members, and Germany could end up having to pay for the excesses of those countries on it's own. In those circumstances they might well have to consider leaving as well.
Other national members still blame this mess on Junker and his allies trying to punish Britain for Brexit, in order to deter anyone else from following. This isn't Farage speaking, but other countries agreeing with him. They know that if Brexit is a success then the dream is over, and many countries are watching closely and will follow suit if we do succeed.
They blame the speed and the direction of European Commission for the last 10 years for causing Brexit in the first place. We aren't on the outside looking in, we have many friends in Europe, who want to continue trading with us after we leave.
Your blind irrational panic isn't warranted, isn't helpful, and isn't honest.

There isn't a mandate for a No deal. Posting the same stuff time and time again in longer and longer posts doesn't change that.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:57 am

You lie to people all the time pretending that with a No Deal everything comes to a grinding halt, it doesn't

Never done that.

Stop making things up *checks name of poster*........oh, its what you do.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:59 am

Your blind irrational panic isn't warranted, isn't helpful, and isn't honest.

Again, you are making things up.

But like I said in the post above, its what you do. Whatever floats your boat and all that.

There is loads of work been done, at great cost, by the EU and the UK Governments to try to mitigate the affects of a "No Deal".

They are not doing this because of "Project Fear", they are doing it because everyone who works in the effected fields is telling them that it needs to be done. And all that does is mitigate it. Not stop it.

Ignoring the UK Government, ignoring the EU, ignoring the experts, ignoring everybody else who is telling you that you are wrong is sadly not a problem only you have. Millions are quite happy because they assume it won't affect them.

Thats the most alarming thing about this whole process*

*apart from those who are happy to find a way out of this that ignores democracy, which is even more alarming.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:02 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:So that "No deal" beaten 3 times, "2nd ref" beaten three times, "Mays deal" beaten twice, "Malthouse compromise" beaten three times, "Custom Union" beaten once, "Common Market 2.0" beaten once, "Some mad one I've forgotten done by that bloke who can't spell his name properly (Fysh)" beaton once, "revoke article 50" beaten once.

Thats every possible option gone*.

Safe to say that doesn't help.

Precisely. It's getting to the point where compromise is going to have to be reached on progressing the least unpopular option or options as there isn't a majority for anything. Basically MPs voted down both leaving the EU and staying in the EU, as well as voting down asking the public again. Something has to give soon or we end up with one of the most unpopular options (no deal) by default (and I'm well aware that will make some people happy, but it's a minority).

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:05 am

martin_p wrote:No one has said everything will stop, just that it will take longer and be more expensive and that will have a big impact on large parts of the economy. No one has said the EU will not be impacted, just that the impact will be less. If we go WTO we’ll be trading with all our major trading partners on those terms, not just the EU. For the EU the only change is that they’ll be trading with Britain on WTO terms. An impact yes (which is why they’re keen to avoid no deal as well) but less of an impact.

Even the more pessimistic predictions have shown it’s geared up for a short term hit & when things eventually settle down & get up & running, recovery surely but slowly is inevitable, the basis in any trading relationships are mutual harmony by ensuring continuity & everybody will want to trade with us as we will with them on whatever terms, Selling the argument of price hikes doesn’t really merit because if commodities become to expensive people will refrain from using or purchasing & that fact benefits nobody.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:09 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Even the more pessimistic predictions have shown it’s geared up for a short term hit & when things eventually settle down & get up & running, recovery surely but slowly is inevitable, the basis in any trading relationships are mutual harmony by ensuring continuity & everybody will want to trade with us as we will with them on whatever terms, Selling the argument of price hikes doesn’t really merit because if commodities become to expensive people will refrain from using or purchasing & that fact benefits nobody.

Nope. The most pessimistic predictions show a big economic hit for a long time.

What do you think happens to the companies producing the commodities if people stop buying them?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:11 am

This is where we are, in bite sized chunks as well!

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/the-news-exp ... what-next/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:11 am

This is an interesting interactive 'MV3' chart that shows how difficult it will be for May to get her deal through. Basically, without DUP support or any other Labour MP turning, every single Tory MP has to vote for the deal for it to get through.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... ful-vote-3

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:15 am

martin_p wrote:Nope. The most pessimistic predictions show a big economic hit for a long time.

What do you think happens to the companies producing the commodities if people stop buying them?

Diverse & adapt, it’ll never get to that stage, you & a few others never seem to see any positivity & if there’s any negativity somewhere, by hook or crook you will find it.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:17 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Diverse & adapt, it’ll never get to that stage, you & a few others never seem to see any positivity & if there’s any negativity somewhere, by hook or crook you will find it.

Sorry I forgot, you just need to believe.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:17 am

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/0 ... esignation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And this kinda nails the shitshow deal between May and the Conservative Party.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:17 am

Diverse & adapt, it’ll never get to that stage, you & a few others never seem to see any positivity & if there’s any negativity somewhere, by hook or crook you will find it.

Meaningless codswallop

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:20 am

This is an interesting interactive 'MV3' chart that shows how difficult it will be for May to get her deal through. Basically, without DUP support or any other Labour MP turning, every single Tory MP has to vote for the deal for it to get through.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... ful-vote-3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looking at that, if she put it to a confirmatory referendum she'd get it through.

Would depend on the wording of the referendum mind!

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:21 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Meaningless codswallop

It must be, the oracle that isn’t twitter.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:23 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Looking at that, if she put it to a confirmatory referendum she'd get it through.

Would depend on the wording of the referendum mind!

I think she'd have to promise a remain option and is too scared to do that.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:23 am

Surely even the grubby self serving mps are at the point now where they are bored of it all. It was boring after 1 week nevermind 3 years of this nonsense.

It is everywhere and time it ended one way or another.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:24 am

It must be, the oracle that isn’t twitter.

But it is though Jakub.

On a purely personal level, yes, working hard to get over obstacles is what the vast majority of us do.

On an national level, involving international deals of massive complexity, its completely meaningless.

Its like bring Vydra on in the 90th minute when we are 2-0 down.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:26 am

Surely even the grubby self serving mps are at the point now where they are bored of it all. It was boring after 1 week nevermind 3 years of this nonsense.

It is everywhere and time it ended one way or another.

100% agreed

So its either "Mays Deal", "No Deal" or "Stay"

If its that, then MPs will vote for "Stay"

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:28 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:100% agreed

So its either "Mays Deal", "No Deal" or "Stay"

If its that, then MPs will vote for "Stay"

I am fine with that, never been arsed that much if we stay or leave but the whole thing has been a joke for way too long. One thing that has to change though is the mps on both sides who have done so much damage.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:30 am

If I was PM i would now take mv3 tomorrow on this basis
3 line whip plus i.e. vote for it or you will not be allowed to stand as a tory at the next GE

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:32 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:But it is though Jakub.

On a purely personal level, yes, working hard to get over obstacles is what the vast majority of us do.

On an national level, involving international deals of massive complexity, its completely meaningless.

Its like bring Vydra on in the 90th minute when we are 2-0 down.

Businesses will always pass walls & find ways to get around it, whether it’s over or under or on the flank or even bolster the brickwork to create gaps, you seem to create problems when problems don’t exist in my view & fret far too much.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:32 am

CombatClaret wrote:That's almost all there was, the public being told they could have every type of leave deal under the sun.

There wasnt any type of leave deal on the ballot paper I put my cross on.
Should there have been ?
I dont think so. The problem with that would be the EU would have to agree a deal prior to the vote. That would just encourage them to make it as crap as possible in order to force a remain vote.
Nobody had a crystal ball, so the vote always had to be clean cut Leave or Remain.

I would have preferred a deal as we aren't treating with the enemy but our neighbours. In order to preserve the entente cordial it could and should have been done with respect for both sides. Sadly it was done by politicians.
As it stands nothing has changed for me. I wanted to leave then, I want to leave now. I'd prefer a deal, but without one I'm more than happy to leave without.
I cant speak for everyone, but the common consensus among work mates, neighbours and friends, is they feel exactly the same. MPs might have a problem, but the public doesn't appear to.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:40 am

summitclaret wrote:If I was PM i would now take mv3 tomorrow on this basis
3 line whip plus i.e. vote for it or you will not be allowed to stand as a tory at the next GE

Well she's tried bribery, I'm guessing threats is the next logical step. She needs every single one to support her though and that isn't going to happen. Steve Baker, for example, isn't going to be scared by such a threat, he's talked about resigning the whip anyway. As utterly wrong as I think Steve Baker is I have a lot more respect for him than the likes of Johnson or Mogg who switched alliegences at the first sniff of power (although to be fair to Mogg he did say last night that he's still sticking with the DUP).

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:41 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Businesses will always pass walls & find ways to get around it, whether it’s over or under or on the flank or even bolster the brickwork to create gaps, you seem to create problems when problems don’t exist in my view & fret far too much.

Have the last ten years just passed you by? Businesses going to the wall every week, the added pressure of a no deal Brexit is exactly what they don't need.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:45 am

martin_p wrote:No one has said everything will stop, just that it will take longer and be more expensive and that will have a big impact on large parts of the economy. No one has said the EU will not be impacted, just that the impact will be less. If we go WTO we’ll be trading with all our major trading partners on those terms, not just the EU. For the EU the only change is that they’ll be trading with Britain on WTO terms. An impact yes (which is why they’re keen to avoid no deal as well) but less of an impact.

I'm afraid Lancs might disagree with you Martin.
It will take longer, yes, but it isn't going to lead to car parks on the M20.
It will be more expensive, yes, but I think it will have a BIG impact on very little of the economy, and No difference on the majority of it.
The tariffs we pay under WTO, to the rest of the world will only be temporary until we strike our own deals with them. Then we could see a benefit from the deals we had under the EU.
There are winners and losers whether we remain or leave that's the way of the world, it isn't a consequence of Brexit, just a fact.

I can accept some people want to remain, I dont agree but that's life, but the scare stories they spout are so ridiculous it should be funny, but on such a serious issue they aren't, they're sad.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:45 am

martin_p wrote:Have the last ten years just passed you by? Businesses going to the wall every week, the added pressure of a no deal Brexit is exactly what they don't need.

Think about the previous 7 before the 3, that could be a clue the need for brexit.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:48 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Think about the previous 7 before the 3, that could be a clue the need for brexit.

Our survey says they're going to blame Tories.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:49 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Think about the previous 7 before the 3, that could be a clue the need for brexit.

Ah right, the EU caused the financial crash and austerity. OK. There's not much point debating with you Jakub to be honest if that's what you think.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:50 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:I'm afraid Lancs might disagree with you Martin.
It will take longer, yes, but it isn't going to lead to car parks on the M20.
It will be more expensive, yes, but I think it will have a BIG impact on very little of the economy, and No difference on the majority of it.
The tariffs we pay under WTO, to the rest of the world will only be temporary until we strike our own deals with them. Then we could see a benefit from the deals we had under the EU.
There are winners and losers whether we remain or leave that's the way of the world, it isn't a consequence of Brexit, just a fact.

I can accept some people want to remain, I dont agree but that's life, but the scare stories they spout are so ridiculous it should be funny, but on such a serious issue they aren't, they're sad.

Scare stories by business leaders? Why is it in their interest to do that?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:51 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I just type them in Sid. Saves time.

Got to admit, never look at my notifications so didn't know quoting sent a notification

I cant believe that typing the quote in in full saves time over clicking the "quote" button mate... many of your replies are word for word what the post said but without the username in the quote, you must be a hell of a typist Lancaster!

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:05 am

As may has been in cohoots wirh the EU since day 1 there is another tactic to be had.

EU say no good reason for a further extension after yesterday's farce so its leave on 12 April if no deal. Labour finally stop playing games and realise that they have to vote for May's deal. Would have to be done in conjunction with a 3 line Tory whip.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:07 am

martin_p wrote:Ah right, the EU caused the financial crash and austerity. OK. There's not much point debating with you Jakub to be honest if that's what you think.

Greece Italy & Portugal, common denominator.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:14 am

I'm afraid Lancs might disagree with you Martin.
It will take longer, yes, but it isn't going to lead to car parks on the M20.

As that is exactly what they are planning for, I'm going to have to ask you how you know that for sure.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:16 am

It will be more expensive, yes,

Are you retired Colburn, nice pension, no money worries?

(rhetorical question, we know you are)

You can't just shrug off "oh, its more expensive but we'll cope". A lot cannot do that now, what is it going to be like if (unlike you I accept that stuff might not or might happen) for them? Bloody bad

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:19 am

The tariffs we pay under WTO, to the rest of the world will only be temporary until we strike our own deals with them. Then we could see a benefit from the deals we had under the EU.

Again, if you could back up all that with some actual facts that would be great.

You are massively not qualified to say stuff like that.

If you were, you'd be saying that that the deals will take time and will result in pros and cons, because that is the nature of international trade.

I can't disagree or agree with you about the tariffs, because I don't know enough about it and I'm self aware enough to know that I'll look bloody stupid if I start pontificating about stuff I know nothing about.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:22 am

but the scare stories they spout are so ridiculous it should be funny, but on such a serious issue they aren't, they're sad.

Again scare stories from people who actually run these things, the government, the EU, everybody really*

*apart from people who spend an awful lot of time saying its all not going to happen but with nothing to back it up

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:27 am

Mystic McCartney says-

Next Tory Leader.

Penny Mordaunt.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:30 am

Next Tory Leader.

Penny Mordaunt.

She's certainly managed to avoid all the stuff that Gove and Johnson haven't been able to avoid. But is she well known enough?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:33 am

I cant believe that typing the quote in in full saves time over clicking the "quote" button mate... many of your replies are word for word what the post said but without the username in the quote, you must be a hell of a typist Lancaster!

No, I type [, quote,] and copy and paste the bits I want to be honest.

But I used it a couple of times since you pointed it out and it is quicker. Will try to remember it from now on!