General Election 2017 Mega Thread

[Lancasterclaret]

Yeah, the DUP for starters.

People have got to stop being so materialistic and actually think about what is best for the country now.

Its a big chance, and the far right have been booted into touch, so the future is actually pretty bright

[ClaretMoffitt]

Plenty of white British nationals that think homosexuality should be illegal and that women should be subservient.

The main issue is terrorism, which the majority of Muslims reject otherwise we'd all be f*cking dead. As a country we need to put people before trade, that means asking hard questions of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, not selling them weapons.

Why do you think colour has any bearing on this what so ever? It doesn't. A white convert with these views repulses me just as much as any arabic person.

I've never in my life met a non-muslim who thinks homosexuality should be illegal they may not like or agree with it, but you won't find any who want them put in jail for it.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Young people grow up and learn greed more like.

I'm in a position where I would probably be financially better off under a Tory government but I would never vote for them out of principle. We need equality and fairness across our society. It shouldn't be an idealistic dream for this to happen.

It's very easy for those people with money to look down their noses at those families struggling by on benefits and needing food banks, but what we should be doing is looking at the reasons why this has happened. We're an educated society with large areas in serious decline. The Tories have no intention of turning it around and you could argue that a Labour government would ultimately fail as well, but I'd rather try than not.

Hopefully today is the start of a new era... or at the very least, a new approach.

Why is wanting to keep more of what you earn greed?

[claretandy]

Let the remainers not forget Labour stood on a manifesto tp leave the single market and end freedom of movement, no mandate for soft brexit.

[UpTheBeehole]

The DUP make ISIS look moderate

[Imploding Turtle]

Let the remainers not forget Labour stood on a manifesto tp leave the single market and end freedom of movement, no mandate for soft brexit.

Was that in their manifesto? No. You're lying, because you're desperate.

[DCWat]

I'm not convinced about having free university places for all. What is wrong with paying back at x % of and when a certain salary level is achieved?

This isn't preventing further education for anyone and gives an affordable way for the monies to be paid / recovered.

Genuine question - interested in people's views.

[BleedingClaret]

Corbyn thinks he's won.......Hold on..... apparently All the left parties add up to 313 now that's less than the Tory 318/319. But I get his thinking now.... if Jezza gets Gezzas 7 seats and Sinn Fein take their seats in Westminster he can make it 320! That'd be good.........

[ClaretMoffitt]

I'm not convinced about having free university places for all. What is wrong with paying back at x % of and when a certain salary level is achieved?

This isn't preventing further education for anyone and gives an affordable way for the monies to be paid / recovered.

Genuine question - interested in people's views.

In fairness its good for me.

I'm retraining as a fire installation engineer so the more people who leave school to do useless degrees in media/fashion/sociology because its free, the less the skills market gets saturated and ore work for me. Will probably lead to more immigration though, so there is that too...

[Dom]

I'm not convinced about having free university places for all. What is wrong with paying back at x % of and when a certain salary level is achieved?

This isn't preventing further education for anyone and gives an affordable way for the monies to be paid / recovered.

Genuine question - interested in people's views.

I don't agree with free tuition, I believe it should be cheaper though. No reason for raising it to £9k in the first place.

[Blackrod]

The country needed stability right now so not a great outcome. However a more viable opposition is because any government needs to be accountable and challenged. The Tories lost my vote due to a poor manifesto and attacking people who need care, school children and the self employed who run small businesses who drive the economy (resulting in a u turn). I cannot support any of that and luckily the person who drew it up lost his seat.

[claretandy]

Was that in their manifesto? No. You're lying, because you're desperate.

"benefits of" not membership of. Corbyn said during the campaign freedom of movement would end.

Also more chance of hard brexit now, the idea of an landslide tory victory was to water down brexit, not going to happen now.

[Imploding Turtle]

I'm not convinced about having free university places for all. What is wrong with paying back at x % of and when a certain salary level is achieved?

This isn't preventing further education for anyone and gives an affordable way for the monies to be paid / recovered.

Genuine question - interested in people's views.

I'm not opposed to it on principle. The current system doesn't impede people from going to university based on their ability to pay, but only just. But i can also understand why people don't want this debt hanging over them. You only have to look to America to see what will eventually happen in this country if we allow the ultra-capitalist Conservatives to explode the price of tuition in future. Over there student loans are a crippling debt and a massive impedement to further education, and since the Tories are cutting absolutely everything they can in order to keep taxs low for the rich it's only a matter of time before they get around to removing the salary floors for mandatory repayment.

[Lancasterclaret]

Let the remainers not forget Labour stood on a manifesto tp leave the single market and end freedom of movement, no mandate for soft brexit.

You ok hun? x

[Sidney1st]

I'm not opposed to it on principle. The current system doesn't impede people from going to university based on their ability to pay, but only just. But i can also understand why people don't want this debt hanging over them. You only have to look to America to see what will eventually happen in this country if we allow the ultra-capitalist Conservatives to explode the price of tuition in future. Over there student loans are a crippling debt and a massive impedement to further education, and since the Tories are cutting absolutely everything they can in order to keep taxs low for the rich it's only a matter of time before they get around to removing the salary floors for mandatory repayment.

I thought, maybe wrongly, that parents in the US spent years saving for their children to attend university.
It's a bigger deal over there for parents to save for it then it is over here for obvious reasons.

[Lancasterclaret]

lso more chance of hard brexit now, the idea of an landslide tory victory was to water down brexit, not going to happen now.

Wow. Just wow.

Thats like my SNP mate denying that last night wasn't a disaster, and that Indy ref is still on.

[UpTheBeehole]

There isn't more chance of hard brexit

[Rick_Muller]

I'm not convinced about having free university places for all. What is wrong with paying back at x % of and when a certain salary level is achieved?

This isn't preventing further education for anyone and gives an affordable way for the monies to be paid / recovered.

Genuine question - interested in people's views.

As someone who spent 8 years paying back a student loan I agree that free uni places for all is not a great idea. All students should use the loan system and pay back their loans when they get into work. I would caveat that with certain careers (nurses, paramedics, public services etc) would be exempt from paying back the loan if they serve a minimum period working in the public service for the career they have chosen. That way, if Tarquin wants to do Royal History Photography at Uni he can, but he will pay for it; whereas Jane, the nurse, will not have to pay at all for her education subject to passing the degree and gaining employment in the NHS for a minimum period (perhaps 10 years lock in - if she leaves for the better paid private job in nursing before 10 years, she still has to pay back in full).

[claretandy]

The idea of a landslide was to keep the tory hard brexiteers in check by having a big enough majority for them not to matter, now they do matter, as do the DUP who support brexit.

[Dom]

Zero chance of a hard brexit. Tories won't want to risk rocking the boat with the precarious position they are in.

[Imploding Turtle]

The idea of a landslide was to keep the tory hard brexiteers in check by having a big enough majority for them not to matter, now they do matter, as do the DUP who support brexit.

no. There is absolutely no mandate for a hard brexit.

[Dom]

The idea of a landslide was to keep the tory hard brexiteers in check by having a big enough majority for them not to matter, now they do matter, as do the DUP who support brexit.

Backwards logic, the idea of a landslide was to push through any deal because they'd have a massive parliamentary majority.
Now the considerations of NI will have to be properly taken into account because they hold the power.

[claretandy]

Zero chance of a hard brexit. Tories won't want to risk rocking the boat with the precarious position they are in.

A couple of prominent journalists, one being Laura Kuenssberg, have made the same point as me about brexit.

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/873100178412064769

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[claretandy]

Backwards logic, the idea of a landslide was to push through any deal because they'd have a massive parliamentary majority.
Now the considerations of NI will have to be properly taken into account because they hold the power.

I agree the DUP have power, but they support brexit too.

[ksrclaret]

The idea of a landslide was to destroy all opposition of a hard brexit, and silence the opposition in May's own party as they would have been elected on a hard brexit manifesto.

Thankfully the manifesto will go down as the worst in history from a serving PM and there is absolutely no mandate for a hard brexit now. The country have just rejected it.

[DCWat]

I'm not opposed to it on principle. The current system doesn't impede people from going to university based on their ability to pay, but only just. But i can also understand why people don't want this debt hanging over them. You only have to look to America to see what will eventually happen in this country if we allow the ultra-capitalist Conservatives to explode the price of tuition in future. Over there student loans are a crippling debt and a massive impedement to further education, and since the Tories are cutting absolutely everything they can in order to keep taxs low for the rich it's only a matter of time before they get around to removing the salary floors for mandatory repayment.

I'd be more for it if it was limited to skills shortages, be that medical, science, engineering or similar. From the outside looking in, there seem to be too many 'fluffy' degree courses that I'm not sure genuinely benefit the country or the student.

I'd far rather that money was put into skills colleges focussed on trade requirements (how much of this is already done, I don't know). Wouldn't this benefit the economy, increasing skills supporting the unemployed if we can train / retrain those of perhaps 25 to 50?

I'd certainly be against anything that prevented people from further education, be that huge debts or unreasonable salary levels for repayment.

[ClaretMoffitt]

I'd be more for it if it was limited to skills shortages, be that medical, science, engineering or similar. From the outside looking in, there seem to be too many 'fluffy' degree courses that I'm not sure genuinely benefit the country or the student.

I'd far rather that money was put into skills colleges focussed on trade requirements (how much of this is already done, I don't know). Wouldn't this benefit the economy, increasing skills supporting the unemployed if we can train / retrain those of perhaps 25 to 50?

I'd certainly be against anything that prevented people from further education, be that huge debts or unreasonable salary levels for repayment.

My thoughts exactly.

[Dom]

Scottish Tories won't go for a hard brexit, DUP won't want a hard brexit - especially on the border issue. Clutching.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/w ... p-10589910

[Lancasterclaret]

She's off the Palace to form a govt at 1230 today.

Either that, or she's off to resign!

[ClaretMoffitt]

Scottish Tories won't go for a hard brexit, DUP won't want a hard brexit - especially on the border issue. Clutching.

This is correct.


Brexit is pretty much dead in the water.


Its all but over for it now.

[Imploding Turtle]

She's off the Palace to form a govt at 1230 today.

Either that, or she's off to resign!

Would be funny if after asking the Queen for permission to form a government the Queen turned around and said "**** off".

I think that every election though and it never happens

[Lancasterclaret]

Crikey, it really has affected you hasn't it?

We are leaving, just not jumping off a cliff with our blue passports and waving a flag.

[titsoutforthelads]

Another election,Farage stands as a Tory and then make him leader and he becomes PM.

[Imploding Turtle]

Another election,Farage stands as a Tory and then make him leader and he becomes PM.

Are you trying to radicalise me?

[Dom]

This is correct.


Brexit is pretty much dead in the water.


Its all but over for it now.

Disagree, Brexit will happen, it has to happen as that was the democratic decision taken. I'd rather we didn't leave but that's not an option on the table.
It means that concessions will be made though on certain areas. Such as single market access.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Another election,Farage stands as a Tory and then make him leader and he becomes PM.

Dream scenario

[RingoMcCartney]

NEWS FLASH...... NEWS FLASH.......

Police investigating electoral fraud. A spokesman saying the multiple log in/ user "imploding claret and jew on a Trex diver mile" appears to have several 1000 postal votes registered to the one address. It appears that the suspect has a problem with multiple identities and has registered multiple votes."

In a brief statement "imploding claret and jew on a Trex diver mile" said "ok ok fair cop. I used to have a problem but WE are fine now!"

[claretandy]

DUP are backing the Tories, she's off to see the queen, She has to go though, we need a brexiteer in charge, there will have to be another election IMO. Her failure was not hoovering up the UKIP vote which quite a lot went to Labour.

[Dom]

That's the best you could come up with Ringo? Bet you're hurting this morning buddy. Chin up x

[claretandy]

NEWS FLASH...... NEWS FLASH.......

Police investigating electoral fraud. A spokesman saying the multiple log in/ user "imploding claret and jew on a Trex diver mile" appears to have several 1000 postal votes registered to the one address. It appears that the suspect has a problem with multiple identities and has registered multiple votes."

In a brief statement "imploding claret and jew on a Trex diver mile" said "ok ok fair cop. I used to have a problem but WE are fine now!"

Does he live in stoneyholme ?

[Lancasterclaret]

Ringo! You are alive!

Thank god!

All who need is news on Rowls...........

[RingoMcCartney]

Teresa May off to the palace.

Just as long as Sean Dyche isn't!!!!!!

Keep smiling lads.

[claretandy]

Another election,Farage stands as a Tory and then make him leader and he becomes PM.

Not the worst idea

[Dom]

DUP are backing the Tories, she's off to see the queen, She has to go though, we need a brexiteer in charge, there will have to be another election IMO. Her failure was not hoovering up the UKIP vote which quite a lot went to Labour.

Can't keep having elections until you get the result you want.. sound familiar??

[Imploding Turtle]

Teresa May off to the palace.

Just as long as Sean Dyche isn't!!!!!!

Keep smiling lads.

ayyyyyyyy

[UpTheBeehole]

Another election,Farage stands as a Tory and then make him leader and he becomes PM.

He'd have to get elected as an MP for the first time in his life.

[Lancasterclaret]

And he'd have to get the 90% of the population who think he's a racist tool to vote for him as well.

That 10% support he has is great, but it won't get him elected anywhere.

[RocketLawnChair]

The Euro Leaders will be laughing their tits off and running their hands with glee. While they are busy putting together their Brexit demands, we are sat with a hung parliament and hugely divided vote.

This was possibly the worst result for Brexit.

Not just Brexit DCWat. This IS the worst result for the COUNTRY. No matter what your political persuasion we needed a stable government in place to deal with ALL the issues that currently face us.

Absolutely no winners last night, just losers I'm afraid.

[Spijed]

What now for newspapers like the Mail or Sun?

They must realise attacking Corbyn is now a futile exercise. It seems the more they attack him, the stronger his position will become.

[Imploding Turtle]

Let's remember the lead the Tories had.