Nahki Wells

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:27 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:£10m for wells? Really?!

No, not really!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:29 pm

I'd be concerned if we don't add a centre back to be honest, but I fully agree with arise sir charge about us looking a hell of a lot better balanced so far this season.

I don't think we can actually replace Keane, as he's a top six England international, but we can certainly get some cover in that area.

More I think about it, it would be a bit of a poor doo if we didn't.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:32 pm

martin_p wrote:Why does not having the same pace we had last season make us a weaker team. Not being able to lump the ball over the top and hope that Gray catches it has meant we've actually looked to retain possession, pass it around and craft chances. And let's not forget that we haven't played just anyone in the first three games!

The idea that by having a pacey outlet in the side, the likes of Defour and Cork would give into the temptation to launch it is just bizarre. And the idea that pace isnt a particularly important attribute seems to be an idea popular with some on up the clarets but supported by precisely zero pundits. Its such accepted wisdom that pace makes a big difficult the effectiveness of a team that it doesn't evening debated.

Jimisicho asks where we'd fit in the pacey player and then answers his own question: on the right wing, as an upgrade on JBG.

Im not habitually negative. All summer ive been saying we should wait until the end of the window before judging (and we still should - there's just a lot less time so a picture is forming). I supported the signing of Wood as an alternative to Vokes who could be part of the answer to losing Gray - along with that player who can add pace and real quality on the right of our front 3. Nothing suggests Wells is that player - he's just another ok forward option a similar standard to that which we already have.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:32 pm

Slightly underwhelmed by this to be honest.

5 million pound will get you a much better continental forward

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:33 pm

I remember throwing my toys out of the pram when we signed a keeper from a team that had been relegated. I now accept I know far less than those paid to do a job at Burnley. Now the fee looks like being around 5 and not 10 million the Hudds fans are going from thinking they have had our pants down to it being very shrewd business on our part and that he is well suited to our style of play. Playing alongside Volkes or Wood will net goals. Let's hope so.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:35 pm

Socrates wrote:There's 36 hours to go so things could change.

But as it stands, for the second time in three years, we stand to make a profit of tens of millions of pounds.

That money should be on the pitch. Pure and simple.

If we go down, I will take no pride in having the healthiest bank balance in the Championship.

And for clarification, I am not talking about betting the ranch or anything like that. There is literally no sense in making that kind of profit in football, particularly at our level where we don't have investors and shareholders to answer to.

We worked so bloody hard last year to stay up. Garlick came out with some, what appears now to be absolute guff, at the start of the summer. For whatever reason, be it caution in the boardroom or narrow mindedness in our recruitment I feel we've made a stutter step under the Dyche regime.

I hope I'm wrong.

So long as we are in the premier league - competing against teams with more resources than us - then we have to try and make a transfer profit - otherwise we can't afford the wages for good enough players.

We can outspend Leeds and PNE and Bolton and Rovers but guess what - we aren't competing with them.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:39 pm

keith1879 wrote:So long as we are in the premier league - competing against teams with more resources than us - then we have to try and make a transfer profit - otherwise we can't afford the wages for good enough players.

We can outspend Leeds and PNE and Bolton and Rovers but guess what - we aren't competing with them.

Why do we need to make a transfer profit are our running costs 100m?

We're in net profit at the moment and standing to make a huge profit overall this year - a big chunk of which ends up at HMRC (we might as well have spunked that on Andone)

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:42 pm

claretspice wrote:The idea that by having a pacey outlet in the side, the likes of Defour and Cork would give into the temptation to launch it is just bizarre. And the idea that pace isnt a particularly important attribute seems to be an idea popular with some on up the clarets but supported by precisely zero pundits. Its such accepted wisdom that pace makes a big difficult the effectiveness of a team that it doesn't evening debated.

Jimisicho asks where we'd fit in the pacey player and then answers his own question: on the right wing, as an upgrade on JBG.

Im not habitually negative. All summer ive been saying we should wait until the end of the window before judging (and we still should - there's just a lot less time so a picture is forming). I supported the signing of Wood as an alternative to Vokes who could be part of the answer to losing Gray - along with that player who can add pace and real quality on the right of our front 3. Nothing suggests Wells is that player - he's just another ok forward option a similar standard to that which we already have.

You were suggesting that our starting eleven was weaker than last May.The only place I thought I would change it was possibly JBG at the moment as he appears off form.He was part of your May team I think so where would you change it apart from that.You seem to think we are not strengthening starting eleven.Who else are you replacing?Dyche doesn't play speedy wingers not his style.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:49 pm

Where is the £5m price tag coming from?

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:51 pm

BabylonClaret wrote:Why do we need to make a transfer profit are our running costs 100m?

We're in net profit at the moment and standing to make a huge profit overall this year - a big chunk of which ends up at HMRC (we might as well have spunked that on Andone)

Not sure that the accounting and tax is so straight forward. Player purchases are I think classed as assets the cost of which will be depreciated over the length of the contract. What does matter is having enough cash in the bank to deal with the fall out of paying premier league wages for a year or so in the event of relegation. To have blown the lot would be suicidal. That cash has to do other things as well such as cover the £5 million cost of the improved disabled facilities.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:52 pm

Jimscho wrote:You were suggesting that our starting eleven was weaker than last May.The only place I thought I would change it was possibly JBG at the moment as he appears off form.He was part of your May team I think so where would you change it apart from that.You seem to think we are not strengthening starting eleven.Who else are you replacing?Dyche doesn't play speedy wingers not his style.

So Dyche wouldnt play Gareth Bale or Ronaldo out wide because its not his style? Ok then.

We could have upgraded in wide areas. We could have upgraded on Tarks at centre back. Unless you're suggesting we cant improve the squad further, which is patently ridiculous, ive no idea what you are suggesting.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:57 pm

COBBLE wrote:Not sure that the accounting and tax is so straight forward. Player purchases are I think classed as assets the cost of which will be depreciated over the length of the contract. What does matter is having enough cash in the bank to deal with the fall out of paying premier league wages for a year or so in the event of relegation. To have blown the lot would be suicidal. That cash has to do other things as well such as cover the £5 million cost of the improved disabled facilities.

I get that we need to plan, but if we have 100m from Sky this season as income (which we do) and have say a wage bill of even 50m (unlikely) that still leaves £50m. Right now (and I also get we'll probably use some of that in January window too) we've not touched any of that and in fact have added to that by about 5m (assuming we sign Wells for 5). So unless we have running costs/investment requirements running to £55m we don;t need to make a profit in transfers.

Of course we have to be prudent but there's prudent and prudent.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:07 pm

Marlonspants wrote:You've posted nowt but crap all day.

Go and support someone else (an American team maybe) if you are so upset by how Burnley FC have handled the transfer window.

I'll post what I want, when I want. I've supported the Clarets for 39 years and watched them in pretty much every ground they've played in in that time, many on numerous occasion. If you don't like my posts then stick me on your foe list, trust me that I won't lose any sleep over it

And for the record, read my posts on this thread and you'll see that i'm far from unhappy with our transfer window, just the desperate potential signing of Wells.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:08 pm

keith1879 wrote:So long as we are in the premier league - competing against teams with more resources than us - then we have to try and make a transfer profit - otherwise we can't afford the wages for good enough players.

We can outspend Leeds and PNE and Bolton and Rovers but guess what - we aren't competing with them.

Not really. We're getting £100m a year in TV money, our percent of wages to turnover is probably less than 50% which is very low compared to our peers. Many of the teams don't have significantly more resources than we do, we're not aiming to compete with Chelsea or Man Utd in the transfer market.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:10 pm

I wonder how many posts we could reach before he signs on the dotted line

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:10 pm

I'm hoping it's near to four billion

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:11 pm

DCWat wrote:I'm hoping it's near to four billion

You planning an all nighter

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:13 pm

No, I'm planning on him not signing in my lifetime

But just to caveat that - he will of course receive my whole support

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:15 pm

Hi Babylon, fair points. I guess we have different perspectives on risk. You probably think the bigger risk is in underspending and ending up relegated. I'm hoping Dyche can get the best out of what he finishes up with tomorrow night and has 20 or 30 million for emergencies (one or two decent players) in January and cash to deal with the unthinkable.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:22 pm

End of the day assuming Barnes stays Wells is at best fifth choice striker.
I also reckon he could fit JGB's right hand side role, particularly at home.
Who knows if this bit of relatively cheap business is going to be a success or not? Nobody, not today. We need to give ALL new signings a chance and at least see them in a Claret and blue shirt before we make a decision on whether or not they fit into Dyche's system. Also on the flip side of this, this Waris dude that we are all praying to sign could be yet another in a long list of big money overseas flops at West Ham.
Time will tell.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:23 pm

I don't think we're far apart COBBLE. I just think we look to have missed a bit of a trick this window - we let two key players go and didn't replace either yet. I think Wood was a target regardless of Gray going and whilst I see that Tarks could be the Keane replacement then we need a Tarks replacement.

Wells is an ok signing for 5m but we'd have got better value in January on that one - especially if he's going to take a couple of months to make any real impact. It feels like a bit of a desperate punt to up the numbers rather than something calculated from the get go.

I think we'll do well though this season - our midfield finally looks good and I think Wood could be a real gem. Worried about cover at CB though.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:25 pm

Can Wells play centre back ?

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:28 pm

claretspice wrote:So Dyche wouldnt play Gareth Bale or Ronaldo out wide because its not his style? Ok then.

We could have upgraded in wide areas. We could have upgraded on Tarks at centre back. Unless you're suggesting we cant improve the squad further, which is patently ridiculous, ive no idea what you are suggesting.

No he wouldn't play Bale or Renaldo because we couldn't afford them so a ridiculous suggestion.In the 4 and a bit years he has been here what fast wingers has he played?So your replacing JBG and Brady and you obviously don't rate Tarks,I do.

I am quite happy to improve the squad further.You were saying the STARTING eleven was weaker not that we needed to improve the squad.I asked where you would improve the Starting eleven and now I know.You would replace JBG,Brady and Tarks.I would only replace JBG if he doesn't improve.Its my opinion which I am entitled to as much as you are.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:32 pm

A really underwhelming signing that smacks of Sordell and Juke. That's if he is even fit. We need a CB and fast pacy Winger/striker that will improve the starting eleven.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:35 pm

DCWat wrote: A quality winger come striker is for me an essential as is the additional centre half. As it stands just three a long term injuries and our first XI could be:

Heaton
Lowton Long Mee Ward
Wells / Walters Cork Westwood Arfield Brady
Wood

It can look very weak, very quickly. I know we can't have a huge and overly expensive squad but let's not pretend we are covered adequately now that Wells is coming.

I personally think that your worst case scenario would make a good fist of staying up.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:38 pm

elwaclaret wrote:I personally think that your worst case scenario would make a good fist of staying up.

It's not a worse case scenario, that was just three injuries, could be more and suspensions and loss of form etc.

That 11 would give it a go, no doubt, but it would stand little chance over a long stretch of games.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:41 pm

Looks like brighton are going to get andone aswell

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:44 pm

Blackrod wrote:A really underwhelming signing that smacks of Sordell and Juke. That's if he is even fit. We need a CB and fast pacy Winger/striker that will improve the starting eleven.

I think he's some way better than those two.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:47 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Looks like brighton are going to get andone aswell

How do you know this?

I could imagine, from his wife's point of view, if she has to leave Spain, Brighton would make a better place to live. I know I'd rather live there.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:48 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Looks like brighton are going to get andone aswell

Hope not - that would really **** me off.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:50 pm

I seen it on twitter earlier spanish reporter say 14.8. It also says that 18-20 should be enough if they get perez

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:51 pm

Is anybody else wondering what Reecey is going to do once the transfer window has closed?

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:51 pm

This board is embarrassing at times. Some of the back seat management, coaching and accounting is ridiculous.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:53 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Is anybody else wondering what Reecey is going to do once the transfer window has closed?

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:53 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Is anybody else wondering what Reecey is going to do once the transfer window has closed?

Same as what you do . Somebody retweeted it earlier

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:07 pm

The market has gone crazy as Dyche quite rightly points out, so a we are now dealing with grades of madness, if Wood (who I think is a fantastic buy) is worth 15M the surely Andone is worth 18M, so can only presume the board and Dyche don't rate him above wood and something we don't know. Which is why I'm ok with it, however if Brighton get him and he rips teams apart then I would be annoyed on so many levels, but still got to trust the board and Dyche, and from what I have seen if we stopped at what we have now I would be happy. I don't agree on the CB situation that we need someone in. Long has looked good pre season and offers something different, Taylor and ward can play CB also, midfield looks solid and again I'm not sure why we need to change our pleasing to the eye, proven passing game, to get a pace winger in which will then see the Edie Howe playing the channels tactic. So to sum up let's stop with the I want ******** and more of we have got and won.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:14 pm

The unique wage policy that we operate at Burnley will inevitably result in problems at times like this. Dyche often drops subtle little hints that boardroom policy makes it 'difficult at times'.

In case anyone has forgotten we operate with a wage bill that is less than HALF that of all other Premier League clubs (Huddersfield excepted) which in itself makes it extremely difficult to attract top quality players. Hence why the manager ends up with the likes of Wood and Wells, but he accepts the situation and, for the time being, gets on with it.

All other PL clubs, from the top six down, have a wage bill in excess of £80m which presents absolutely no problem since the income from Sky alone means they will all achieve an operating profit. As socrates rightly posts, there is absolutely no requirement for Burnley or any other club to post a huge net profit. At some point soon the Board either join in the PL game or we prepare for life back in the Championship. But, for the time being at least, don't expect any players coming here on £65k per week.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:16 pm

Belgianclaret wrote:Slightly underwhelmed by this to be honest.

5 million pound will get you a much better continental forward

These players don't exist.
If Burnley are interested, 5 million rated players become 10 million rated.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:22 pm

Good post Royboy.

I used to sit near a woman that would sneer when the ground was full, and take perverse pleasure at being one of the 9K on a wet, Tuesday night during the dark days of Cotterill.

We persist with this small, narrow minded view that we can never compete, so we should just be grateful for our place at the top table, and just shrug our shoulders when we do get relegated because after all, we're little ol' Burnley. Do you know that we nearly went under in 1987? We should just be grateful for having a club at all, and nothing more.

I do wonder how progressive some board members and fans want us to be. Middling in the Championship is easier. There's less pressure, less spotlight.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:23 pm

CombatClaret wrote:This board is embarrassing at times. Some of the back seat management, coaching and accounting is ridiculous.

You don't know what the **** your talking about to be fair, do you?

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:25 pm

Just been speaking to a Huddersfield Town fan. He said Wells is not particularly pacey, but does know where the goal is.

BFC88 · Post by **BFC88** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:27 pm

Unless we are signing a right winger and cb in addition to Wells, this will be a very poor end to the window indeed. Lets hope there's deals in the pipeline

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:29 pm

What a load of whinning bitches on this thread.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:33 pm

I do hear you Tsar but unfortunately we do not have the fan base to compete and definitely not in the top 20 of the 92 clubs. Bearing in mind 75000 population in Burnley, and 20000 of those attend some matches and less others, which accounts for 26% of the town which is fantastic, considering our bordering premier neighbours of City, UTD, and Liverpool. So we either need a seriously good manager who can motivate his team to perform better than people think they are, and for that team to be more gelled than their opponents when the chips are down, hence our never beaten until the final whistle attitude. Unfortunately it comes down to economics added are a small town playing against big cities.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:36 pm

wickdkewlclaret wrote:What a load of whinning bitches on this thread.

Knob

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:39 pm

ClaretAL wrote:I do hear you Tsar but unfortunately we do not have the fan base to compete and definitely not in the top 20 of the 92 clubs. Bearing in mind 75000 population in Burnley, and 20000 of those attend some matches and less others, which accounts for 26% of the town which is fantastic, considering our bordering premier neighbours of City, UTD, and Liverpool. So we either need a seriously good manager who can motivate his team to perform better than people think they are, and for that team to be more gelled than their opponents when the chips are down, hence our never beaten until the final whistle attitude. Unfortunately it comes down to economics added are a small town playing against big cities.

Not true when you consider the majority of our income is from TV rights. You get paid more the higher up the league you finish regardless of how big your town is.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:43 pm

True but as can be seen the bigger the fan base, the bigger the income, the bigger the wages you can pay. Look at Stoke, Swansea and WBA definitely not power houses, but can offer so much more than we can, purely on income

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:43 pm

ClaretAL.........Our inability to compete in the current PL market has absolutely nothing to do with the size of our fanbase. In fact, whilst we are part of the top league, matchday income represents no more than 7% of total revenue.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:44 pm

ClaretAL wrote:I do hear you Tsar but unfortunately we do not have the fan base to compete and definitely not in the top 20 of the 92 clubs. Bearing in mind 75000 population in Burnley, and 20000 of those attend some matches and less others, which accounts for 26% of the town which is fantastic, considering our bordering premier neighbours of City, UTD, and Liverpool. So we either need a seriously good manager who can motivate his team to perform better than people think they are, and for that team to be more gelled than their opponents when the chips are down, hence our never beaten until the final whistle attitude. Unfortunately it comes down to economics added are a small town playing against big cities.

This is the thing. Fan base, attendances, match day income, its all largely irrelevant and means nothing.

It's all about the TV deal, and ensuring we give ourselves the best chance at staying at the top table, for as long as possible. It's TV money that buys players, pays the wages, renovates the ground. Match day income is minimal.

The Premier League is putting on a spectacle for the world to see, and expects the participants to pay up and take part, not cash the money and run away.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:44 pm

TsarBomba wrote:Good post Royboy.

I used to sit near a woman that would sneer when the ground was full, and take perverse pleasure at being one of the 9K on a wet, Tuesday night during the dark days of Cotterill.

We persist with this small, narrow minded view that we can never compete, so we should just be grateful for our place at the top table, and just shrug our shoulders when we do get relegated because after all, we're little ol' Burnley. Do you know that we nearly went under in 1987? We should just be grateful for having a club at all, and nothing more.

I do wonder how progressive some board members and fans want us to be. Middling in the Championship is easier. There's less pressure, less spotlight.

Fed up with reading sh*t like this. 1987 has nothing to do with it. What matters is NOW...and the simple fact is that we are in a division with 19 other clubs nearly all of whom have more resources than us. So we're getting £100 million from Sky ....well Whoop de doo so is everyone else or haven't you guys worked that one out?? Not only that but some of these clubs have been at this top table for many years more than us getting stronger and stronger all the time. To compete (and yes I want us to compete and believe that we are competing ) we have to square that circle somehow - buying players and selling them on at a profit is one way, having a manager who can make the team greater than the sum of its parts is another. There is only one way that we can ever hope to simply rise to the top by spending loads of money -----by doing it in a lower division. Not my choice thankyou.

How dare you accuse the rest of us of being narrow-minded and not progressive? We've just had our best finish for 40 odd years and there's only one thing I want this year ....to finish higher. And again next year ....and again and again. Returning to the subject of this thread - I'm not thrilled about Wells ...but he is just one player in what is now looking to be a very strong squad.

Sorry if that seemed personally aimed at you Tsarbomba ....your post seemed typical of many from other posters.