With no disrespect to Clive but I hope not

With no disrespect to Clive but I hope not
mill hill claret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:32 pmhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... 1609168699
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I think the suggestion that he’s in Lancashire is incorrect although I think he will be sometime soon. Ducker’s suggestion also is that they are just buying Garlick’s & John B’s shares. That would leave the other five directors with their current shareholding. I’m not sure about that either.
Maybe he will be on that plane then. Either way, I hope it is soon, less because of the January window and more because it’s dragging on and we as a club need to get it resolved and look forward.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:56 pmI think the suggestion that he’s in Lancashire is incorrect although I think he will be sometime soon. Ducker’s suggestion also is that they are just buying Garlick’s & John B’s shares. That would leave the other five directors with their current shareholding. I’m not sure about that either.
I do agree with suggestion that Pace will be running the club and will have his own people join him.
The flip side could be that they believe ALK meeting Dyche may hinder the process.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:43 pmThat’s how I would do it and I’d like to think that’s how I’d be treated if I was moving house. I know this is a lot bigger transaction involving far more people but you would like to think that one of the key members of staff would get the potential support he needs, particularly just ahead of a window.
[/quote]yatesybase wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:07 pmThe Private Jet actually arrived with him onboard at Executive Ramp at Manchester and departed again within the half hour after we called of the deal.
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I have heard that Kamil Grosicki is booked on too.
Is the "deal" off then?yatesybase wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:07 pmThe Private Jet actually arrived with him onboard at Executive Ramp at Manchester and departed again within the half hour after we called of the deal.
Yes we’re not signing Grosicki
Hmm, asking to speak with Sean Dyche about his transfer targets....? I don't see that is asking to measure up for curtains, more akin to asking can they take a bath to check the supply of hot water in the bathroom.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:36 pmI suppose it’s a bit like selling your house. You’ve agreed a price, it’s with the solicitors but do you let the buyers in to measure up for curtains?
I don't think they would. They'd go about things in the right way, which it sounds like they've attempted to do.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:43 pmI would imagine if they wanted to speak to Dyche they would have already done so
read what I put Frank - "if they wanted to"FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:48 pmI don't think they would. They'd go about things in the right way, which it sounds like they've attempted to do.
I did read what you put.
I’ll be amazed if they haven’t spoken to Dyche. Since he has such a key role, they are basically investing £200m in an asset of which he is a huge part. In any other acquisition activity where there are key people involved, the buyers secure their services well before parting with their cash. I think as a minimum they’ll want to understand whether he is committed to the club, particularly after such a fractious relationship with the current owner. And I can’t imagine the Kettering company being set up is a coincidence.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:43 pmI would imagine if they wanted to speak to Dyche they would have already done so
Totally agree.IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:59 pmIf ALK consider that the manager is integral to their long-term plans surely they will have already quizzed the manager as to his own long-term plans and aspirations.
SD has said he has not spoken to them, so what if he now says that he wants a change of scenery??
A lot of spin being leaked to put the wider audience off the scent I think.
Exciting times.
With the telegraph, some articles (this being one) shows you the whole page for about 3 seconds before it vanishes under the subscribe popup. If you're quick and put your mobile into aeroplane mode (disabling your internet connection) you can read the whole article. Better than paying for itmill hill claret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:32 pmhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... 1609168699
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Hi IWL, you've got to factor in the legal situations. Sean Dyche owes his duty to his current employer, not a prospective future employer. Yes, breaking these protocols is always possible. But, why create risks for yourself by doing something that might not be approved of by his existing employer - and, who knows, might then become the reason for his new employer to dismiss him for breaking his employment obligations. Much better to play by the rules - and show your (prospective) new employer that you are an employee that will always play by the rules and do right by your employer.IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:59 pmIf ALK consider that the manager is integral to their long-term plans surely they will have already quizzed the manager as to his own long-term plans and aspirations.
SD has said he has not spoken to them, so what if he now says that he wants a change of scenery??
A lot of spin being leaked to put the wider audience off the scent I think.
Exciting times.
It would be extremely unprofessional for both parties to be communicating sensitive, and confidential information, behind the backs of the current owners and for that reason I doubt very much that will be the case.NewClaret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:01 pmI’ll be amazed if they haven’t spoken to Dyche. Since he has such a key role, they are basically investing £200m in an asset of which he is a huge part. In any other acquisition activity where there are key people involved, the buyers secure their services well before parting with their cash. I think as a minimum they’ll want to understand whether he is committed to the club, particularly after such a fractious relationship with the current owner. And I can’t imagine the Kettering company being set up is a coincidence.
We’ll never know the truth but would not surprise me at all if Dyche has a direct line in to them & they’re talking regularly, not that you’d ever expect them/him to admit that, whether Garlick knows or not!
Why do you think they have chosen that name ?Rileybobs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:11 pmIt would be extremely unprofessional for both parties to be communicating sensitive, and confidential information, behind the backs of the current owners and for that reason I doubt very much that will be the case.
I also think it's quite unlikely that the company set up with the name Kettering in has anything to do with Dyche's birthplace.
What rules would he be breaking by just talking to them? It's not like they are trying to poach him for another clubPaul Waine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:06 pmHi IWL, you've got to factor in the legal situations. Sean Dyche owes his duty to his current employer, not a prospective future employer. Yes, breaking these protocols is always possible. But, why create risks for yourself by doing something that might not be approved of by his existing employer - and, who knows, might then become the reason for his new employer to dismiss him for breaking his employment obligations. Much better to play by the rules - and show your (prospective) new employer that you are an employee that will always play by the rules and do right by your employer.
Exciting times.
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If they aren't then together with the Calder Vale company it is more than an incredible coincidence. It is a random name for a US business to think up.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:11 pmIt would be extremely unprofessional for both parties to be communicating sensitive, and confidential information, behind the backs of the current owners and for that reason I doubt very much that will be the case.
I also think it's quite unlikely that the company set up with the name Kettering in has anything to do with Dyche's birthplace.
Suggestion is that Garlick will remain involved although clearly no longer running the show. From what I’ve been told I don’t think there is much chance of the Garlick/Dyche relationship being repaired.FeedTheArf wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:09 pmCT, from what you know, do you think Garlick will still be involved after the takeover? I’ve seen conflicting reports but aware he and Dyche aren’t on the the best terms at the minute.
Do we think that more funds to give Dyche what he wants would help repair their relationship? Or would Garlick staying on be more of a hindrance than help?
How would I know? There is a city in Ohio called Kettering, it's also a surname. Even if it is related to the UK town I don't understand why this would have anything to do with our current manager being born there.
Hi Paul, as mentioned above the Kettering company is the strongest indication yet that SD is part of the deal. He has an agent, just as the players have agents, and this allows each individual to honestly deny having any personal conversations with prospective buyers.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:06 pmHi IWL, you've got to factor in the legal situations. Sean Dyche owes his duty to his current employer, not a prospective future employer. Yes, breaking these protocols is always possible. But, why create risks for yourself by doing something that might not be approved of by his existing employer - and, who knows, might then become the reason for his new employer to dismiss him for breaking his employment obligations. Much better to play by the rules - and show your (prospective) new employer that you are an employee that will always play by the rules and do right by your employer.
Exciting times.
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The name Calder Vale has a direct relationship with Burnley though. The name Kettering, to my knowledge, doesn't. It would be a coincidence, but not exactly an incredible coincidence, that the company name is the same as Dyche's birthplace.Somethingfishy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:15 pmIf they aren't then together with the Calder Vale company it is more than an incredible coincidence. It is a random name for a US business to think up.
In what capacity do you think that Dyche is part of the deal? Seems like a ridiculous suggestion.IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:19 pmHi Paul, as mentioned above the Kettering company is the strongest indication yet that SD is part of the deal. He has an agent, just as the players have agents, and this allows each individual to honestly deny having any personal conversations with prospective buyers.
We are told that the situation with manager and chairman had deteriorated so much that I don’t think that the manager feared the loss of his job or even any legal challenge, but we know him to be a man of principle and he is therefore playing with a straight bat.
Exciting times.
Is it common for football managers to own shares in the club that they are managing? And if so, why would this form any part of the purchase of the club?
I think it would be very sycophantic for them to do that but if you accept they have already done it by using Calder Vale as a company name then it's more than possible for them to do it with Kettering. Admittedly i think it as more tenuous and as i say sycophantic but there is a link there with Dyche and is i think it is more likely that is where it comes from rather than it being a coincidence with a US placename.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:21 pmThe name Calder Vale has a direct relationship with Burnley though. The name Kettering, to my knowledge, doesn't. It would be a coincidence, but not exactly an incredible coincidence, that the company name is the same as Dyche's birthplace.
Edit - in fact there's also a Kettering in Maryland USA.
Could be lots of rules. I'd start with speaking to a third party about the club's confidential business for starters, without the club's permission. Maybe all the club's staff have been reminded of their duty not to speak with any third parties without the club's permission. Maybe breaking these rules are club discipline issues. Maybe the sanctions could go as far as being terminated.
Dyche is an employee. He's an important part of the club but if he's offered the Man Utd job next week then he's packing his bags. The suggestion that he's got any involvement in this deal sounds very far fetched.IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:31 pmNot such a ridiculous suggestion - I would think that SD would be a vital part of an investment like this. He has kept Burnley in the top flight for a long time with his hands tied behind his back.
Calder Vale is totally different though as that name has a relevance to the club.Somethingfishy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:31 pmI think it would be very sycophantic for them to do that but if you accept they have already done it by using Calder Vale as a company name then it's more than possible for them to do it with Kettering. Admittedly i think it as more tenuous and as i say sycophantic but there is a link there with Dyche and is i think it is more likely that is where it comes from rather than it being a coincidence with a US placename.
We are both guessing of course and i guess we will find out soon.
How about ridiculously far fetched?
And, Mike Garlick will know about both Calder Vale and Kettering Capital. He will also know all about the status of his relationship with Sean Dyche.IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:19 pmHi Paul, as mentioned above the Kettering company is the strongest indication yet that SD is part of the deal. He has an agent, just as the players have agents, and this allows each individual to honestly deny having any personal conversations with prospective buyers.
We are told that the situation with manager and chairman had deteriorated so much that I don’t think that the manager feared the loss of his job or even any legal challenge, but we know him to be a man of principle and he is therefore playing with a straight bat.
Exciting times.