Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[Carwin261]

Goodness,imagine having those two playing together ,careful what you wish for.

[PremierLeagueClass]

We need better, Redmond is selective in his effort
Lots of games for Saihts he produced very little.
Remember ,there is no such thing as a free transfer They come with a price. .

You’re in dreamland and setting yourself up for a fall if you think we’re above Redmond.

As for free transfers - Tom Heaton, David Jones, Scott Arfield… and that was all in one summer.

[Robbie_painter]

Would take redmond in a heartbeat

[Vegas Claret]

We need better, Redmond is selective in his effort
Lots of games for Saihts he produced very little.
Remember ,there is no such thing as a free transfer They come with a price. .

I would imagine there is a huge difference playing for VK over Ralph Hasenhüttl

[Nori1958]

That’s why I said I’d be pretty happy! could well be 100m overall spends but might only be 50-60m used this summer depending on how you work out instalments

Plus whatever we are already paying in installments for players purchased in previous seasons

[4midable]

Plus whatever we are already paying in installments for players purchased in previous seasons

Bet obafemis not even been paid for yet

[Woodleyclaret]

In Div 1 like Blackpool or Reading
I would take Redmond in a heartbeat
But we are Premier league and need better and hungrier young players like we signed last season.Not fit for relegated Saints hardly fit for us.

[123EasyasBFC]

Plus whatever we are already paying in installments for players purchased in previous seasons

Yeah be interesting wouldn’t it, weghorst last player we signed over 5mil before foster last Jan then beyer this summer

[Newcastleclaret93]

If we sign that Redmond I assume that means we are no longer after Tella.

Seems a strange signing to be honest

[Hedontplayforyou]

Can’t see JBG being around after this season, Redmond could well replace him in the long run. Whilst being capable in covering most of the front line and freeing up funds for other transfers we may want this summer . Not saying Redmond would be a straight swap for JBG but I’m sure the role JBG learned or adapted to this season would suit redmond too.

[Commy]

I always worried about Redmond as he used to run us ragged at times. I would take him if he gives us those performances. Also plenty of experience which we are short of with the young ones.

[alwaysaclaret]

Let's hope it's McNally plus cash as I think that might swing the deal.

Millwall reportedly want £12.8m, I reckon they'd take mcnally and £7m. And then Bobby Thomas steps into mcnallys boot's, which would be a loan just the same with option of a recall if needed, but it would get us Flemming. Then tella for £13m plus £2m add ons if we stay up. Up front sorted for £20m

[randomclaret2]

Plus whatever we are already paying in installments for players purchased in previous seasons

Less whatever we are receiving in installments for players sold in previous seasons

[Vegas Claret]

If we sign that Redmond I assume that means we are no longer after Tella.

Seems a strange signing to be honest

if VK thinks having Redmond on a free (obviously wages) allows him to bring in a better midfielder then it's a no brainer.

[ksrclaret]

I’d be very happy with Redmond on a free transfer.

Makes sense on a number of levels. What’s not to like?

[taio]

if VK thinks having Redmond on a free (obviously wages) allows him to bring in a better midfielder then it's a no brainer.

Yes, it shouldn't be hard to understand why we may be interested in him on a free transfer given our financial limitations

[Newcastleclaret93]

if VK thinks having Redmond on a free (obviously wages) allows him to bring in a better midfielder then it's a no brainer.

I could understand it if he was going to be a bench player. However it’s likely he will have to play a substantial amount of time with Bensons injury record

[123EasyasBFC]

If we sign that Redmond I assume that means we are no longer after Tella.

Seems a strange signing to be honest

What makes Redmond a strange signing to you?

[Carwin261]

I could understand it if he was going to be a bench player. However it’s likely he will have to play a substantial amount of time with Bensons injury record

Can’t imagine Benson getting kicked in the air like he was last season.

[ksrclaret]

I could understand it if he was going to be a bench player. However it’s likely he will have to play a substantial amount of time with Bensons injury record

Good. A very experienced PL campaigner.

I'm sure you've got some stats up your sleeve that will paint him as the worst winger since Jean Louis Valois, but I think he'd be a strong squad player.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Good. A very experienced PL campaigner.

I'm sure you've got some stats up your sleeve that will paint him as the worst winger since Jean Louis Valois, but I think he'd be a strong squad player.

I am not sure I have suggested he’s a bad signing. I just find him a bit of a strange one. Can’t see him fitting in this style of football or offer what we want from our wide players.

If it frees up money for a top centre mid then fair enough.

[LaLigaClaret]

Its been implied that we may have had a pool of around 60 layers in whom we may have an interest. Obviously these will be assigned particular values by us when we are exploring what might be available. The selling clubs also have their valuations and it then becomes a game of what can be agreed between the clubs always supposing the player involved is also up for the move. If a club like ours had in mind that it needed a certain number of incoming players to improve its squad and that these players were to be of a higher quality than what is currently available at the club then it will prioritise its main targets for each position they need to strengthen.

Just for discussion lets assume that we wanted 6 positions improved. Say then that the valuation placed on those players by the selling clubs totalled say £90m but the club only had £75m in its budget. You may want to go in with bids that were £4m or £5m lower for each player and get knocked back. Should the strategy be that you hold fire and hope the clubs will accept your lowest bid taking the risk that some other club will step in and pay a higher amount ? Do you raise your bid by a bit more but still significantly below the selling clubs valuation hoping again for success at some stage ? Do you hold on and on until late in the window knowing that suddenly a lot more clubs will become interested in your target and you may risk losing out ? Or do you put in your first bid that is closer to the selling clubs valuation early on in order to get your main targets in earlier and accept the fact that you get 5 of your targets instead of 6 and may have to forego getting anybody for the 6th position or perhaps settling for an inferior player to your target or try for a loan player ?

Its all very well thinking you can spend less money to get who you want but surely getting over the line some of your main targets early rather than trawling through 60 players in ever descending layers of quality until hopefully something happens is a better approach. I'm not suggesting clearly paying over the odds for a player but sometimes when you have been quoted a price that is only £3m or £4m more than your initial bid it is worth trying to close that gap quickly to get a main target before other teams strike. The closer you get to the window shutting the more demand increases from other teams and prices rise due to their being more competition. I know what some posters will say in response but the point I am making is this. If you decide a player is overpriced and you want to go to another alternative which is cheaper you should still go for the alternative with a bid that is close to the sellers valuation because you can't go in for that player once again being £3m or £4m short as your list of players of interest will constantly reduce and there will be more clubs chasing them who will be prepared to pay a higher price and you could end up with your 4th or 5th choice or no-one at all. Flemming and Clarke are clear examples, we are reported as having made several bids so clearly they are some of our main targets yet we are still short of the values being quoted and more and more teams are becoming alerted to them. If Flemming is quoted as being worth £!3m then bidding £9m or £10m isn't going to cut it and by faffing about someone else will steam in with £12m or the full amount and he will be off somewhere else. It will be no good then being interested in another player only to expect getting them £3m or £4m less than the sellers valuation.

[ksrclaret]

I am not sure I have suggested he’s a bad signing. I just find him a bit of a strange one. Can’t see him fitting in this style of football or offer what we want from our wide players.

If it frees up money for a top centre mid then fair enough.

Strange signing/ bad signing. Whatever. It amounts to the same thing. You don't agree with it.

On the contrary though, I think he'd fit in perfectly with the system in pretty much the same way Tella did alternating between a wide and central position. Redmond played up front and out wide for Southampton over many years. He's got good pace, a good presser, and has a decent enough goal contribution record in PL level.

You're spot on with that last sentence though. Getting Redmond on a free would be huge when it comes to leaving funds available for other areas.

[taio]

Its been implied that we may have had a pool of around 60 layers in whom we may have an interest. Obviously these will be assigned particular values by us when we are exploring what might be available. The selling clubs also have their valuations and it then becomes a game of what can be agreed between the clubs always supposing the player involved is also up for the move. If a club like ours had in mind that it needed a certain number of incoming players to improve its squad and that these players were to be of a higher quality than what is currently available at the club then it will prioritise its main targets for each position they need to strengthen.

Just for discussion lets assume that we wanted 6 positions improved. Say then that the valuation placed on those players by the selling clubs totalled say £90m but the club only had £75m in its budget. You may want to go in with bids that were £4m or £5m lower for each player and get knocked back. Should the strategy be that you hold fire and hope the clubs will accept your lowest bid taking the risk that some other club will step in and pay a higher amount ? Do you raise your bid by a bit more but still significantly below the selling clubs valuation hoping again for success at some stage ? Do you hold on and on until late in the window knowing that suddenly a lot more clubs will become interested in your target and you may risk losing out ? Or do you put in your first bid that is closer to the selling clubs valuation early on in order to get your main targets in earlier and accept the fact that you get 5 of your targets instead of 6 and may have to forego getting anybody for the 6th position or perhaps settling for an inferior player to your target or try for a loan player ?

Its all very well thinking you can spend less money to get who you want but surely getting over the line some of your main targets early rather than trawling through 60 players in ever descending layers of quality until hopefully something happens is a better approach. I'm not suggesting clearly paying over the odds for a player but sometimes when you have been quoted a price that is only £3m or £4m more than your initial bid it is worth trying to close that gap quickly to get a main target before other teams strike. The closer you get to the window shutting the more demand increases from other teams and prices rise due to their being more competition. I know what some posters will say in response but the point I am making is this. If you decide a player is overpriced and you want to go to another alternative which is cheaper you should still go for the alternative with a bid that is close to the sellers valuation because you can't go in for that player once again being £3m or £4m short as your list of players of interest will constantly reduce and there will be more clubs chasing them who will be prepared to pay a higher price and you could end up with your 4th or 5th choice or no-one at all. Flemming and Clarke are clear examples, we are reported as having made several bids so clearly they are some of our main targets yet we are still short of the values being quoted and more and more teams are becoming alerted to them. If Flemming is quoted as being worth £!3m then bidding £9m or £10m isn't going to cut it and by faffing about someone else will steam in with £12m or the full amount and he will be off somewhere else. It will be no good then being interested in another player only to expect getting them £3m or £4m less than the sellers valuation.

It's important we negotiate rather than just pay what the other club wants.

[LaLigaClaret]

Strange signing/ bad signing. Whatever. It amounts to the same thing. You don't agree with it.

On the contrary though, I think he'd fit in perfectly with the system in pretty much the same way Tella did alternating between a wide and central position. Redmond played up front and out wide for Southampton over many years. He's got good pace, a good presser, and has a decent enough goal contribution record in PL level.

You're spot on with that last sentence though. Getting Redmond on a free would be huge when it comes to leaving funds available for other areas.

Sadly though not much of an end product and sometimes disappears from games completely. He is never going to challenge to start at our club except for suspension or injury.

[Darnhill Claret]

Some of those players may have told their agents to wait and see what is the best contract offer they can get before committing.

[Darnhill Claret]

Perhaps one or two have told VK they want to come but as yet the two clubs have not agreed a fee. This might stop VK moving on to the next player on the list.

[RVclaret]

I am not sure I have suggested he’s a bad signing. I just find him a bit of a strange one. Can’t see him fitting in this style of football or offer what we want from our wide players.

If it frees up money for a top centre mid then fair enough.

Redmond is a similar ish profile to Tella. Can play right, left and central. Yet he’d come with a proven PL track record and on a free vs paying 15m (not meant as a negative on Tella but it’s just facts).

Obviously hypothetical here but Palmer and Redmond would cost (as far as upfront fees go) next to nothing and that’d be enough wide players I think with Zaroury/Benson already here. Could allow us to spend 30m on Flemming and Mikautadze for example (I know you’ve pointed to that).

[LaLigaClaret]

It's important we negotiate rather than just pay what the other club wants.

I agree completely however I am not convinced we do this very successfully. We appear to be good at getting players for small amounts where they turn out to be something of a gem but not convinced we do this with much more expensive players. We seem to try getting players we are interested in at prices a few million below the sellers valuation then take too long to put in a minimal increase in our offer which still falls short and by wasting time doing this someone else comes in and gets the player we clearly wanted. Sometimes you just can't play lowball.

[bobinho]

In Div 1 like Blackpool or Reading
I would take Redmond in a heartbeat
But we are Premier league and need better and hungrier young players like we signed last season.Not fit for relegated Saints hardly fit for us.

Doesn’t quite work like that…

Arfield wasn’t good enough for Huddersfield and look how that turned out.

[Pickles]

He is never going to challenge to start at our club except for suspension or injury.

And? What's wrong with that? We're going to get injuries and suspensions.

But more so, why do people make such extreme comments? He's never going to challenge? Never? Ever, ever? I can understand "If he arrives I hope that isn't the extent of our signings" etc etc. But just to say nope, never ever. It's just a bit of a stunted sort of comment really. But hey ho. Opinions.

[boatshed bill]

And? What's wrong with that? We're going to get injuries and suspensions.

But more so, why do people make such extreme comments? He's never going to challenge? Never? Ever, ever? I can understand "If he arrives I hope that isn't the extent of our signings" etc etc. But just to say nope, never ever. It's just a bit of a stunted sort of comment really. But hey ho. Opinions.

Isn't VK's ethos along the lines that all players are pushing for a start, therefore keeping whoever has that start on their toes?
Signing players to fill in isn't a great policy.

[LaLigaClaret]

And? What's wrong with that? We're going to get injuries and suspensions.

But more so, why do people make such extreme comments? He's never going to challenge? Never? Ever, ever? I can understand "If he arrives I hope that isn't the extent of our signings" etc etc. But just to say nope, never ever. It's just a bit of a stunted sort of comment really. But hey ho. Opinions.

I made that comment because he is not as good or better than our current wingers and although we need cover we also need better than what we have and I am afraid he just isn't. Are you surprised he is available ? Perhaps Sean Dyche might have considered him at Everton which would say a lot but Redmond is now not PL level.

[Rileybobs]

Isn't VK's ethos along the lines that all players are pushing for a start, therefore keeping whoever has that start on their toes?
Signing players to fill in isn't a great policy.

I’m not sure he’s ever said that’s his ethos, but if he has then it’s just words. It’s unrealistic that in such a big squad there won’t be a gap in quality between some players and some padding out (was that a Dycheism?) is required.

But in any case, it’s fanciful to suggest that Redmond wouldn’t be challenging for starts at Burnley. Some people don’t seem to acknowledge that Benson and Zaroury have never played at this level and may not be effective. It’s important that we have squad players who are proven at this level even if they may seem underwhelming, although I wouldn’t necessarily say he is.

I also agree with RV’s point about Tella who also isn’t proven at PL level and may also not make the grade - and £15m for example would be a big gamble if we could get an equivalent and more proven player for free - granted there is a chance that Tella could increase significantly in value in years to come.

[Pickles]

I made that comment because he is not as good or better than our current wingers and although we need cover we also need better than what we have and I am afraid he just isn't. Are you surprised he is available ? Perhaps Sean Dyche might have considered him at Everton which would say a lot but Redmond is now not PL level.

So every single signing a club makes is a player better than what is already there? It just doesn't work like that. It's about creating a well rounded squad. And something we lack at the moment is experience and a player who can give another option for Zaroury wide left and Gudmundsson more centrally. It's a balance. You can't replace a full eleven. If you're expecting every signing to be better than we currently have, it just isn't going to happen. If that was the case Bastien would've played every game last season instead of Brownhill.

[Pickles]

Isn't VK's ethos along the lines that all players are pushing for a start, therefore keeping whoever has that start on their toes?
Signing players to fill in isn't a great policy.

If that is his ethos then it's the ethos of pretty much every other manager on the planet.

[Pearcey]

Redmond still looks sharp.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=muRkURrDVWQ&feature=shareb

[boatshed bill]

If that is his ethos then it's the ethos of pretty much every other manager on the planet.

Yes, I agree.
So why (not you specifically) refer to players as simply "back-up", for lack of a better word?

[Carwin261]

I’m not sure he’s ever said that’s his ethos, but if he has then it’s just words. It’s unrealistic that in such a big squad there won’t be a gap in quality between some players and some padding out (was that a Dycheism?) is required.

But in any case, it’s fanciful to suggest that Redmond wouldn’t be challenging for starts at Burnley. Some people don’t seem to acknowledge that Benson and Zaroury have never played at this level and may not be effective. It’s important that we have squad players who are proven at this level even if they may seem underwhelming, although I wouldn’t necessarily say he is.

I also agree with RV’s point about Tella who also isn’t proven at PL level and may also not make the grade - and £15m for example would be a big gamble if we could get an equivalent and more proven player for free - granted there is a chance that Tella could increase significantly in value in years to come.

So on that reasoning we need to have players to cover Muric,Beyer ,Ekdal,Cullen,Foster,Zaroury ,Benson ,Al Dakil ,as none have them have played in The Premier league.

[LaLigaClaret]

So every single signing a club makes is a player better than what is already there? It just doesn't work like that. It's about creating a well rounded squad. And something we lack at the moment is experience and a player who can give another option for Zaroury wide left and Gudmundsson more centrally. It's a balance. You can't replace a full eleven. If you're expecting every signing to be better than we currently have, it just isn't going to happen. If that was the case Bastien would've played every game last season instead of Brownhill.

No not every single player is better than is already there at every single club but they do need to be at Burnley this season because we are now PL and not Championship. I am absolutely convinced that no manager deliberately takes on a player thinking I will buy him because he is worse than what we already have, come on get real. We need players who will improve and will have a good sell on value we can't take on bench warmers. Redmond is available for a reason and you know what that is. He isn't what we need or should want. I accept that taking him on would allow funds to be spent somewhere else but he will want a wage, would only come on as a late substitute and wouldn't deliver much, that is just my assessment. He is very much on a downward spiral in performance in my opinion that's all.

[Rileybobs]

So on that reasoning we need to have players to cover Muric,Beyer ,Ekdal,Cullen,Foster,Zaroury ,Benson ,Al Dakil ,as none have them have played in The Premier league.

No, my point was that in a 25 man squad it is important that a proportion of them have experience in the division. My other point was that we don’t actually know that Zaroury and Benson are better than Redmond. They have more potential to improve but so far we’ve not seen either of them play at the level at which we’re judging Redmond.

[Rileybobs]

No not every single player is better than is already there at every single club but they do need to be at Burnley this season because we are now PL and not Championship. I am absolutely convinced that no manager deliberately takes on a player thinking I will buy him because he is worse than what we already have, come on get real. We need players who will improve and will have a good sell on value we can't take on bench warmers. Redmond is available for a reason and you know what that is. He isn't what we need or should want. I accept that taking him on would allow funds to be spent somewhere else but he will want a wage, would only come on as a late substitute and wouldn't deliver much, that is just my assessment. He is very much on a downward spiral in performance in my opinion that's all.

There’s a difference between buying someone who you know is worse than what we already have and buying someone BECAUSE they’re worse than we already have. We obviously do the former.

[Pickles]

Yes, I agree.
So why (not you specifically) refer to players as simply "back-up", for lack of a better word?

I don't know. I doubt terms like that are used at Gawthorpe. It's just supporter shorthand isn't it. But it's naïve to think we don't need "back up", "rotation options"... whatever you wanna call it. Zaroury was knackered for the last two months of last season but there was no-one else. As I've sort of said a couple of moments ago, there are different sorts of signings. And one with bundles of Premier League experience, 29, in a position we're thin in... if he's signed then it's absolutely because he'll be an asset. To say "he'll never challenge to start", or whatever it was, is just a silly comment.

[martin_p]

It’s incredible how many people were lauding our ‘new approach to transfers’ and how much better it was than under the old regime. They didn’t want to listen to those who pointed out how much easier it was shopping in the Championship with parachute money.

But guess what, now we’re back in the Premier League with less money than most it’s hard, because that’s where we are as a club.

[Pickles]

It’s incredible how many people were lauding our ‘new approach to transfers’ and how much better it was than under the old regime. They didn’t want to listen to those who pointed out how much easier it was shopping in the Championship with parachute money.

But guess what, now we’re back in the Premier League with less money than most it’s hard, because that’s where we are as a club.

We do have a new approach to transfers and it is better than under the old regime? But yes, agree with everything else.

[boatshed bill]

I don't know. I doubt terms like that are used at Gawthorpe. It's just supporter shorthand isn't it. But it's naïve to think we don't need "back up", "rotation options"... whatever you wanna call it. Zaroury was knackered for the last two months of last season but there was no-one else. As I've sort of said a couple of moments ago, there are different sorts of signings. And one with bundles of Premier League experience, 29, in a position we're thin in... if he's signed then it's absolutely because he'll be an asset. To say "he'll never challenge to start", or whatever it was, is just a silly comment.

As long as they have the desire, ambition and energy to push for a starting place I'm in agreement.
Unfortunately we've seen a few too many "good in the dressing room", "great as back-up" types in recent seasons who have delivered very little.

[roperclaret]

No not every single player is better than is already there at every single club but they do need to be at Burnley this season because we are now PL and not Championship. I am absolutely convinced that no manager deliberately takes on a player thinking I will buy him because he is worse than what we already have, come on get real. We need players who will improve and will have a good sell on value we can't take on bench warmers. Redmond is available for a reason and you know what that is. He isn't what we need or should want. I accept that taking him on would allow funds to be spent somewhere else but he will want a wage, would only come on as a late substitute and wouldn't deliver much, that is just my assessment. He is very much on a downward spiral in performance in my opinion that's all.

I’d much rather see Redmond coming on for Zaroury than Vitinho.

[Pickles]

As long as they have the desire, ambition and energy to push for a starting place I'm in agreement.
Unfortunately we've seen a few too many "good in the dressing room", "great as back-up" types in recent seasons who have delivered very little.

Not under Kompany we haven't...

[LaLigaClaret]

I’d much rather see Redmond coming on for Zaroury than Vitinho.

I wouldn't because I would hope Clarke might be ours instead.

[Pickles]

I wouldn't because I would hope Clarke might be ours instead.

Clarke would be a good signing I think. Does signing one of Clarke or Redmond mean we don't sign the other? I'm not so sure.