It's not just about Brexit

[tiger76]

Are you still requiring evidence that leaving the EU won’t reduce ‘human trafficking’? Asking for a friend.

Unless we can reach an agreement with the French, then leaving the EU could even lead to an increase in ‘human trafficking’ This is precisely why we need to broker a deal before we finally leave the EU at the end of this year.

[aggi]

Brexit: UK hopeful of EU trade deal next month, says No 10https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53812015

There's still grounds to be optimistic about some form of trade deal being agreed, but the UK will have to show flexibility in certain demands to get a deal, given this government's record of digging it's heels in I wouldn't hold out much hope of a compromise being reached anytime soon.

I wouldn't be that surprised to see us agree a deal which rolls over a lot of the current stuff but with a different name and puts it in a still to be finalised pot.

[AndrewJB]

I always wondered what Ringo would move onto once he realised Brexit wasn’t going to fill the void. Pretty predictable really.

Radicalised by Talk Radio.

[TheFamilyCat]

Radicalised by Talk Radio.

The fastest growing conversation based radio station I the world.

[AndrewJB]

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... g.html?m=1

[TheFamilyCat]

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... g.html?m=1

I hope a certain poster will be showing his outrage at the Rivenhall being "cancelled".

[martin_p]

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... g.html?m=1

That should be on the cancel culture thread. The right don’t do it you know!

[dsr]

Unless we can reach an agreement with the French, then leaving the EU could even lead to an increase in ‘human trafficking’ This is precisely why we need to broker a deal before we finally leave the EU at the end of this year.

Surely you aren't saying that Britain will still be an attractive destination after we've left the EU?

[RingoMcCartney]

If you're not able to look at the track record of the party that you're voting for and take a good guess at what they'll be doing going forward then it's not my fault. Why would I have shares in Serco (I don't), you're the one voting for the party that gives them all the money, not me. Do you have shares in Serco?

Here's your evidence, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 48746.html

While many of the claims Mr Farage makes in his video are a difficult blend of muddled figures and statistics used to defend his points of view, his assertion that the hotel is populated by illegal immigrants appears to be among the easiest to debunk.

The Britannia-owned Bromsgrove Hotel and Spa is, like a number of hotels across the country, being used to temporarily house asylum seekers – according to the government and the site’s operators, Serco.

Unlike irregular migrants who may be in breach of the law, asylum seekers are those attempting to legitimately and legally make a claim to sanctuary in the UK – for example to escape persecution.

Now it's your turn to provide evidence (although I assume you won't break the habit of a lifetime).

Once here, illegal immigrants can claim asylum despite passing through numerous safe countries?

Still no condemnation of people trafficking.

Still no answer to the simple question.

Do you have a front and / or back door?

If so, why?

[RingoMcCartney]

Just having a quick look for condemnation of the billion pound industry of people trafficking, funded by the uk tax payer.

[RingoMcCartney]

Yeah, I feel terrible guilt for voting the tories in to make this happen.... oh, wait now.

"The Woke Left" your new one-phrase-fits-all name for anyone who disagrees with you. "Remoaners" was getting just a bit tedious.

No

[RingoMcCartney]

"Woke" seems to be the new phrase the right use to attempt to bully people who dare to have a different opinion or political view to them.

No

[RingoMcCartney]

Fortunately, although I am white and educated i'm not middle class nor an above average earner so I don't fit the profile and can escape the bullying.

Nope

[RingoMcCartney]

Are you still requiring evidence that leaving the EU won’t reduce ‘human trafficking’? Asking for a friend.

None here

[RingoMcCartney]

I always wondered what Ringo would move onto once he realised Brexit wasn’t going to fill the void. Pretty predictable really.

None here either

[RingoMcCartney]

Radicalised by Talk Radio.

Looking like the message board is , when it comes to the abhorrent exploitative practice of people trafficking, it's a condemnation free zone.

[RingoMcCartney]

The fastest growing conversation based radio station I the world.

Yep. Pretty much a desert.

[RingoMcCartney]

Condemn the lucrative people trafficking and illegal , multi billion pound immigration industry.

The Left - "No thanks, we'll stick out head on the sand and pig headedness will see us through "

That's the spirit!....

[martin_p]

Once here, illegal immigrants can claim asylum despite passing through numerous safe countries?

So you’re more than happy for them to be trafficked to other countries then.

Surely we’ve now left the EU people can’t come here illegally anyway? That’s what you’ve spent the last four years telling us.

[RingoMcCartney]

So you’re more than happy for them to be trafficked to other countries then.

Surely we’ve now left the EU people can’t come here illegally anyway? That’s what you’ve spent the last four years telling us.

Nope. Still none.

[RingoMcCartney]

I'll pop back some time over the next few days and see if anyone on the Wokeward Squad have come anywhere near condemning the fact that illegal immigration has seen numbers reach this record level.

A level so high that Kent County council has said it can no longer take any more children into its care due to unprecedented numbers of existing cases and new arrivals coming illegally.

I'll not hold my breath.

[martin_p]

Nope. Still none.

Questions you can’t answer so avoid, typical Wrongo. Anyhoo, hope you’re happy with your evidence that leaving the EU wouldn’t help reduce human trafficking. I’m sure you’ll be happy to admit you were wrong, it’s one of your best qualities.

Here you go, I’ll condemn the human traffickers that take desperate people’s money and put them in danger (not that it needs saying, it like asking if people condemn murderers) but won’t be condemning those that help the asylum seekers once they are here.

[aggi]

Once here, illegal immigrants can claim asylum despite passing through numerous safe countries?

Still no condemnation of people trafficking.

Still no answer to the simple question.

Do you have a front and / or back door?

If so, why?

You're so confused about this that it isn't really clear what you want people to condemn? Is it illegal immigration, is it lawful asylum seekers (remember like the ones in the hotels that you were convinced were illegal immigrants that you haven't come up with any evidence to prove is the case), is it using private companies to run these things, is it the fact that they are staying somewhere when you'd prefer them on the streets?

Just because Farage said something you shouldn't just swallow it hook, line and sinker. Maybe apply some critical thinking and post something cohesive.

Actions speak louder than words. If you don't want Serco earning loads of money from running immigration centres then don't vote for the party that is doing it. Most people don't find it necessary to condemn people trafficking like they don't find it necessary to condemn murdering people, they take it for granted that people are against it.

In fact, I don't think I've seen you condemn murdering people. Sounds like, by Ringo logic, you support murderers. What else have you not condemned today that, by extension, you support? You'd better get condemning!

[TheFamilyCat]

The inconsistency in Ringo's outrage about this is hilarious.

I think his main concern is that the beneficiary of this particular example of Tory corruption is a staunch remainer.

[RingoMcCartney]

You're so confused about this that it isn't really clear what you want people to condemn? Is it illegal immigration, is it lawful asylum seekers (remember like the ones in the hotels that you were convinced were illegal immigrants that you haven't come up with any evidence to prove is the case), is it using private companies to run these things, is it the fact that they are staying somewhere when you'd prefer them on the streets?

Just because Farage said something you shouldn't just swallow it hook, line and sinker. Maybe apply some critical thinking and post something cohesive.

Actions speak louder than words. If you don't want Serco earning loads of money from running immigration centres then don't vote for the party that is doing it. Most people don't find it necessary to condemn people trafficking like they don't find it necessary to condemn murdering people, they take it for granted that people are against it.

In fact, I don't think I've seen you condemn murdering people. Sounds like, by Ringo logic, you support murderers. What else have you not condemned today that, by extension, you support? You'd better get condemning!

Illegal immigrants, once here, can claim asylum, despite passing through a myriad number of safe countries to get here.

Hey presto! Illegal immigrants now become "asylum seekers"

Still no condemnation.

Still no answer to the very simple and straightforward question.

Do you have a front and / or a back door?

If so, why ?

[ksrclaret]

Wrongo is back for another beer-fuelled rant about immigrants and is tying himself in knots trying to pretend it’s only about how awful people trafficking is, but letting slip that he doesn’t mind it if they end up in another country. Brilliant entertainment.

He’ll soon be disappearing off to ‘work’ again

Talk radio will open their phone lines again in a few hours so his visit here will only be a flying one.

The Tories have finally begun to address their horrific record on racism towards working class white boys in schools by confirming yet another u-turn by admitting teachers know far better than government do

Reasons to be cheerful

[RingoMcCartney]

The inconsistency in Ringo's outrage about this is hilarious.

I think his main concern is that the beneficiary of this particular example of Tory corruption is a staunch remainer.

Millions made by people exploitative trafficking gangs?

Millions made by luxury hotel and spar chains block booked for 12 months hence. ?

Misery inflicted on modern day slaves beholden to bullying coercion and threats placed on their vulnerable families back home?

Millions made by greedy fat cat human rights lawyers living high on the hog of human exploitation.?

Billions made by the likes of Serco for 10 year contracts to accommodate illegal immigrants in 4 star hotels and take then on stadium tours of Anfield, while ex servicemen , with PTSD , are left on the streets, huddled in door ways?

All at the tax payers expense.

You approve?

[RingoMcCartney]

Wrongo is back for another beer-fuelled rant about immigrants and is tying himself in knots trying to pretend it’s only about how awful people trafficking is, but letting slip that he doesn’t mind it if they end up in another country. Brilliant entertainment.

He’ll soon be disappearing off to ‘work’ again

Talk radio will open their phone lines again in a few hours so his visit here will only be a flying one.

The Tories have finally begun to address their horrific record on racism towards working class white boys in schools by confirming yet another u-turn by admitting teachers know far better than government do

Reasons to be cheerful

See above?

[ksrclaret]

See above?

I condemn everything about the evil trade of people trafficking.

But I’m just here for the entertainment of watching you pretending you care about it only to be found out as using it as another thinly disguised stick to beat immigrants with. Quality lols.

Nighty night. I wish you the sweetest of dreams.

[RingoMcCartney]

I condemn everything about the evil trade of people trafficking.

But I’m just here for the entertainment of watching you pretending you care about it only to be found out as using it another thinly disguised stick to beat immigrants with. Quality lols.

Nighty night. I wish you the sweetest of dreams.

Hopefully you'll dream about it being brought to an abrupt end then. How?

By the government following the example of the Australian government.

Their policy - " if you enter Australia unlawfully, you will never ever be granted Australian citizenship and returned to your country of origin"

Stopped illegal immigration, almost, overnight.

Let me know if youd approve of the same policy after you've slept on it.

[Tall Paul]

Nice to wake up to some more lol Ringo.

[Bordeauxclaret]

He’s chosen his hill now. I suspect it’s going to be very entertaining over the coming days. Particularly Friday I reckon.

[TheFamilyCat]

Do you think poor old Ringo's just feeling a little bit sore about being duped by this bullshit?

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[JohnMcGreal]

Millions made by luxury hotel and spar chains block booked for 12 months hence. ?

If you're going to keep copying and pasting your latest speech all over the board can you at least sort this bit out?

[nil_desperandum]

Hopefully you'll dream about it being brought to an abrupt end then. How?

By the government following the example of the Australian government.

Their policy - " if you enter Australia unlawfully, you will never ever be granted Australian citizenship and returned to your country of origin"

Stopped illegal immigration, almost, overnight.

Let me know if youd approve of the same policy after you've slept on it.

It's almost as though there's some equivalence between Australia and the UK
The nearest country to Australia is Papua New Guinea - which is 1473 miles away. Even New Zealand is 2500 miles away (I didn't realise that!).
You really don't get many people trying to get to Australia on dinghies or on the back or lorries.

[Spijed]

Ringo probably still thinks there is a good chance that Turkey might join the EU.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It's almost as though there's some equivalence between Australia and the UK
The nearest country to Australia is Papua New Guinea - which is 1473 miles away. Even New Zealand is 2500 miles away (I didn't realise that!).
You really don't get many people trying to get to Australia on dinghies or on the back or lorries.

Australia peaked at 25k people on boats and then started turning them back again and the problem went away.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/asylu ... tatistics/

[Rileybobs]

If you're going to keep copying and pasting your latest speech all over the board can you at least sort this bit out?

I’m refusing to shop there until this gets sorted.

[RingoMcCartney]

It's almost as though there's some equivalence between Australia and the UK
The nearest country to Australia is Papua New Guinea - which is 1473 miles away. Even New Zealand is 2500 miles away (I didn't realise that!).
You really don't get many people trying to get to Australia on dinghies or on the back or lorries.

It's almost as if you think that, if the UK government adopt a policy of saying " if you arrive on these shores using unlawful means. You will never ever be given British citizenship " as the Australians did. It wouldnt stop the record levels of illegal immigration , pretty much overnight, as it did in Australia. Incredible!

[martin_p]

It's almost as if you think that, if the UK government adopt a policy of saying " if you arrive on these shores using unlawful means. You will never ever be given British citizenship " as the Australians did. It wouldnt stop the record levels of illegal immigration , pretty much overnight, as it did in Australia. Incredible!

It’s almost as if you’ve moved on from thinking leaving the EU would stop this and come up with something else that will definitely solve the problem (like you thought leaving the EU would).

I assume you have no problem with letting in asylum seekers if they come through our ports or airports then? All it would need is the oppressive regimes or war torn countries they’re fleeing from to sort out proper travel documentation and lay on scheduled flights, not a problem. You also continue to swerve the issue of you not seeming to care if asylum seekers illegally enter other European countries.

[RingoMcCartney]

It’s almost as if you’ve moved on from thinking leaving the EU would stop this and come up with something else that will definitely solve the problem (like you thought leaving the EU would).

I assume you have no problem with letting in asylum seekers if they come through our ports or airports then? All it would need is the oppressive regimes or war torn countries they’re fleeing from to sort out proper travel documentation and lay on scheduled flights, not a problem. You also continue to swerve the issue of you not seeming to care if asylum seekers illegally enter other European countries.

If we had a government that had the political will, but more importantly, wasnt hamstrung, by laws that remain while we're in the transition period. Things would , and hopefully , are going to be much more improved post 31st December.

"oppressive regimes or war torn countries they’re fleeing from"

They're choosing to leave France. You saying President "Mr Europhile Himself" Macron is a oppressive tyrant.!?

Mike Graham asked the home office for the figures for the top countries people claiming asylum come from as upto March 2020.

Iran
Albania
China
Pakistan
Afghanistan

One Iranian guy from a middle class family admitted he and his wife chose to leave iran and come to the UK because, and I quote, " I didnt get on with my in laws"

The UK's current response.

"Dont worry, despite 1000s of ex servicemen huddled in sleeping bags in doorways on freezing concrete, we've got 4 star accommodation waiting for you both...."

And that concludes my input on this subject

[Burnley Ace]

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And that concludes my input on this subject
[/quote]

I doubt it!!

Since when has 4* been described as luxury?

[RingoMcCartney]

[quote=RingoMcCartney post_id=1347269 time=1597835001 user_id=


And that concludes my input on this subject

I doubt it!!

Since when has 4* been described as luxury?
[/quote]


You were right, for once.

4 star is luxury to a former squadie struggling with PTSD / and / or addiction, with cardboard for a mattress.....

[RingoMcCartney]

Ps. I hope aggi is safe n sound as given he never answered I have to presume he has neither a front, nor a back door.

#prayforaggi

[martin_p]

If we had a government that had the political will, but more importantly, wasnt hamstrung, by laws that remain while we're in the transition period. Things would , and hopefully , are going to be much more improved post 31st December.

"oppressive regimes or war torn countries they’re fleeing from"

They're choosing to leave France. You saying President "Mr Europhile Himself" Macron is a oppressive tyrant.!?

Mike Graham asked the home office for the figures for the top countries people claiming asylum come from as upto March 2020.

Iran
Albania
China
Pakistan
Afghanistan

One Iranian guy from a middle class family admitted he and his wife chose to leave iran and come to the UK because, and I quote, " I didnt get on with my in laws"

The UK's current response.

"Dont worry, despite 1000s of ex servicemen huddled in sleeping bags in doorways on freezing concrete, we've got 4 star accommodation waiting for you both...."

And that concludes my input on this subject

I don’t know where to start with this mess of a post! Which laws are you talking about? The one that allows us to return asylum seekers to the EU country they first arrived in? That’s the one that allows us to return asylum seekers relatively easily but will be gone on 1st January. There’ll be no returning anyone to France then.

And what’s your obsession with ex-servicemen? Homelessness is a big issue and would support funding to help all our homeless whatever their former profession.
And using the old ‘there’s this one bloke who’s really taking the ****...’ argument has never been a good basis on which to make wholesale change to anything.

[Burnley Ace]

I doubt it!!

Since when has 4* been described as luxury?

You were right, for once.

4 star is luxury to a former squadie struggling with PTSD / and / or addiction, with cardboard for a mattress.....
[/quote]

1000s of ex servicemen sleeping on the streets?? I think you are perhaps confused (again) between “homelessness” and “rough sleeping”.

[aggi]

Ps. I hope aggi is safe n sound as given he never answered I have to presume he has neither a front, nor a back door.

#prayforaggi

I'm quite confused by your fascination with doors. Did the country used to have a big door and then the EU forced us to take it down?

I see you still haven't condemned murdering people. I can't believe right wingers are so pro-murderers.

By the way, if you are going to start complaining about immigrants and football clubs giving them special treatment then maybe you should start a bit closer to home
https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/new ... rnament--/

[CombatClaret]

Free at last from those pesky EU protections!

Environment Agency chief supports plan to weaken river pollution rules
https://t.co/UFI6smJmQS

Vote Leave told me Brexit was all about helping the environment!? I'm starting to think there were other agendas at work...

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[AndrewJB]

If we had a government that had the political will, but more importantly, wasnt hamstrung, by laws that remain while we're in the transition period. Things would , and hopefully , are going to be much more improved post 31st December.

"oppressive regimes or war torn countries they’re fleeing from"

They're choosing to leave France. You saying President "Mr Europhile Himself" Macron is a oppressive tyrant.!?

Mike Graham asked the home office for the figures for the top countries people claiming asylum come from as upto March 2020.

Iran
Albania
China
Pakistan
Afghanistan

One Iranian guy from a middle class family admitted he and his wife chose to leave iran and come to the UK because, and I quote, " I didnt get on with my in laws"

The UK's current response.

"Dont worry, despite 1000s of ex servicemen huddled in sleeping bags in doorways on freezing concrete, we've got 4 star accommodation waiting for you both...."

And that concludes my input on this subject

I see you’ve done the “we either look after our own or those brown people”!!!

We can do both.

[aggi]

Free at last from those pesky EU protections!

Environment Agency chief supports plan to weaken river pollution rules
https://t.co/UFI6smJmQS

Vote Leave told me Brexit was all about helping the environment!? I'm starting to think there were other agendas at work...

I remember having a discussion on here in months/years past where dsr, I think, was sure that water standards in the UK were high because of the UK driving the standards, not the EU. Given previous court cases it was already pretty difficult to make such a claim, it's going to be even trickier now.