General Election 2017 Mega Thread

[ClaretMoffitt]

And he'd have to get the 90% of the population who think he's a racist tool to vote for him as well.

That 10% support he has is great, but it won't get him elected anywhere.

I call Corbyn a communist, everyone loses their minds

People call Farage a racist, nobody bats an eyelid.


Theres more evidence for one that the other, but hey. Thats cultural marxism for ya

[claretandy]

Told you DUP want hard brexit

[claretdom]

What now for newspapers like the Mail or Sun?

They must realise attacking Corbyn is now a futile exercise. It seems the more they attack him, the stronger his position will become.

It could also signal to the people that fret over what papers stick on the front page don't actually mean that much to most people and it is time to stop worrying about them.

[Imploding Turtle]

Not just Brexit DCWat. This IS the worst result for the COUNTRY. No matter what your political persuasion we needed a stable government in place to deal with ALL the issues that currently face us.

Absolutely no winners last night, just losers I'm afraid.

Those of us who prefer a much softer brexit can consider this a success. Especially since we had the handicap of a press that hated Corbyn and spent the whole campaign fearmongering about him. This is proof that the left-wing is alive and well and rising.

[claretandy]

Can't keep having elections until you get the result you want.. sound familiar??

We need a stable government, not sure how a Tory/DUP arrangement will work, maybe it will ? we will see.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Those of us who prefer a much softer brexit can consider this a success. Especially since we had the handicap of a press that hated Corbyn and spent the whole campaign fearmongering about him. This is proof that the left-wing is alive and well and rising.

You mean exactly like they did with Brexit and Trump?

All that proves is people dont listen to the MSM anymore.

[Imploding Turtle]

You mean exactly like they did with Brexit and Trump?

What?

[claretandy]

The EU wants "hard brexit" don't forget

https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/ ... 6002293760" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[jlup1980]

Why is wanting to keep more of what you earn greed?

Ok, maybe greed isn't the right word. I totally understand people wanting to protect what they've worked for.

The issue for me is a generation voting for a party who won't offer the youth of today the same opportunities they had themselves. Students are leaving university today with upward of £40-50k of debt, little job prospects and no chance of getting on the housing ladder due to ridiculously high prices.

A pretty average house in Burnley will probably cost you £150k so added to the student debt we're asking young people to start off their lives with more debt than any previous generation has had to deal with. And wages are completely stagnant even if you can find work.

The divide isn't just between rich and poor anymore, it's between young and old. That's a shame, a real shame.

[Imploding Turtle]

The EU wants "hard brexit" don't forget

https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/ ... 6002293760" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Makes sense from their point of view. So doesn't it make sense to not want the thing that think will deter others from following us out? If it's that bad then shouldn't we be trying to avoid it?

[Rick_Muller]

anyone got a rewind button prior to the referendum and also a hindsight tool...?

[claretandy]

Nuttall resigns ! Farage returns again ???

[RingoMcCartney]

That's the best you could come up with Ringo? Bet you're hurting this morning buddy. Chin up x

Contrary to the rumours of a melt down, I'm sound.

My team were always gonna lose. They did.

But, fair play to Corbyn he did better than I thought he would. Probably better than he thought he would ! The likes of the daily mirror who ran a headline about corbyn "for the good of the country, go" and james obrian, and the blairites need to wind their necks in. Their new found enthusiasm for Corbyn is a thing to behold!!

I'm pleased about more people voting. More democracy is better democracy.

Labour gained from brexiteers in the north and Remoaners in the south. Corbyn, who waived thru article 50 wanting "access" to the single market. He has to please both sides. So anybody thinking that a soft brexit is more likely, MAYBE disappointed. We shall see.

I'm over the moon about Alex Salmond losing his seat!

Even more happy that St Nick Clegg has been booted out!


Also, there's a whisper that Nigel Farage may be about to return!

But I'm more chuffed that Mrs Ringo pit a couple of quid on Boris Johnson being the next Prime minister at 7/1!!

It's not all doom n gloom lads. Right , I've got to do what I would have had to do, whoever won last night. Get some bloody work done.

[Sidney1st]

Ok, maybe greed isn't the right word. I totally understand people wanting to protect what they've worked for.

The issue for me is a generation voting for a party who won't offer the youth of today the same opportunities they had themselves. Students are leaving university today with upward of £40-50k of debt, little job prospects and no chance of getting on the housing ladder due to ridiculously high prices.

A pretty average house in Burnley will probably cost you £150k so added to the student debt we're asking young people to start off their lives with more debt than any previous generation has had to deal with. And wages are completely stagnant even if you can find work.

The divide isn't just between rich and poor anymore, it's between young and old. That's a shame, a real shame.

When I got my first house in 2004 in Burnley it cost me £60k.

When I left Burnley in 2010 houses on the same street were about £150k.
In 6 yrs it nearly trebled yet when I've mentioned on here in the past that house prices need capping there's a queue of people on here willing to shoot me down, from both sides of the political spectrum.

As for student debt, yes it needs dealing with, but how many students actually use their degree for the career it's designed for?
If they're going to Uni just for the sake of going to Uni, and this does happen, why is this being allowed to happen and why shouldn't they pay for it?

[UpTheBeehole]

Also, there's a whisper that Nigel Farage may be about to return!

Return to what, exactly?

[Imploding Turtle]

anyone got a rewind button prior to the referendum and also a hindsight tool...?

No. I've checked. We created no back-ups

[Dom]

More I read about the DUP the more I wish the Tories had a majority of 1. Grim party with grim policies and grimmer opinions.

[ClaretEngineer]

When I got my first house in 2004 in Burnley it cost me £60k.

When I left Burnley in 2010 houses on the same street were about £150k.
In 6 yrs it nearly trebled yet when I've mentioned on here in the past that house prices need capping there's a queue of people on here willing to shoot me down, from both sides of the political spectrum.

As for student debt, yes it needs dealing with, but how many students actually use their degree for the career it's designed for?
If they're going to Uni just for the sake of going to Uni, and this does happen, why is this being allowed to happen and why shouldn't they pay for it?

*holds hand up* '' Sir, me, me , me! I use mine Sir!''

Education empowers all yet it has to be good quality education. Education and knowledge that benefits the recipient and then the country when the time comes to apply that the working life.

They should drop the repayment threshold, down to below £10k. The repayment is an absolute pittance at the base rate anyway.

[UpTheBeehole]

As I said earlier, the DUP make ISIS look moderate

[RocketLawnChair]

Those of us who prefer a much softer brexit can consider this a success. Especially since we had the handicap of a press that hated Corbyn and spent the whole campaign fearmongering about him. This is proof that the left-wing is alive and well and rising.

We aren't going to get a much softer Brexit though IT. Corbyn didn't win he came second by some considerable distance.

We have weakened our negotiating position considerably now. We would have been in far better negotiating position had Corbyn or May actually won outright. We would have leadership and guidance which might not have been to every individuals taste but none the less it would have been led., now we have a free for all.

[claretandy]

More I read about the DUP the more I wish the Tories had a majority of 1. Grim party with grim policies and grimmer opinions.

Some people should be careful what they wish for, The DUP are to the right of the Tory party thats for sure.

[Dom]

As I said earlier, the DUP make ISIS look moderate

I knew they were bad. But didn't realise how bad. Some think the Earth is 4000 years old, abortion is wrong even in the event of rape, gays are as bad as child molesters. The list goes on.

[UpTheBeehole]

Corbyn didn't win he came second by some considerable distance.

792,248 votes behind from an electorate of 46,843,896

That's not a considerable distance

[Imploding Turtle]

I knew they were bad. But didn't realise how bad. Some think the Earth is 4000 years old, abortion is wrong even in the event of rape, gays are as bad as child molesters. The list goes on.

Our own little ISISes

[john'sroseyspecs]

*holds hand up* '' Sir, me, me , me! I use mine Sir!''

Education empowers all yet it has to be good quality education. Education and knowledge that benefits the recipient and then the country when the time comes to apply that the working life.

They should drop the repayment threshold, down to below £10k. The repayment is an absolute pittance at the base rate anyway.

This might have been said already but a lot more people go to uni compared to say 20 years ago. Grants and free tuition were feasible then but not now. I agree that a uni education is a good thing in itself, but the amount of what used to be seen as graduate level jobs hasn't changed

[Rick_Muller]

More I read about the DUP the more I wish the Tories had a majority of 1. Grim party with grim policies and grimmer opinions.

I agree. I voted for Labour in a Conservative stronghold constituency and whilst I support the Labour party I think that the hung parliament is probably the worst outcome. Yes, I liked giving Theresa May a bloody nose for not respecting the people, but allowing the DUP to have a say will end in more issues I fear.

[RocketLawnChair]

792,248 votes behind from an electorate of 46,843,896

That's not a considerable distance

I wouldn't like to give them all a quid !

[Damo]

Steady on dad!
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[Imploding Turtle]

This might have been said already but a lot more people go to uni compared to say 20 years ago. Grants and free tuition were feasible then but not now. I agree that a uni education is a good thing in itself, but the amount of what used to be seen as graduate level jobs hasn't changed

If the government was paying for it then the focus would be much more on quality than it is right now. With a private-loan system that's guarenteed by government then the focus is on getting as many loans out as possible, which means a proliferation of much weaker and less relevent degrees and more shitty tutoring to enable more loans to be made.

[Right_winger]

More I read about the DUP the more I wish the Tories had a majority of 1. Grim party with grim policies and grimmer opinions.

the DUP are awesome

[Dom]

Good summary of what the DUP are all about. Religious mentalists

https://twitter.com/Saraita101/status/8 ... 2788180993" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[UpTheBeehole]

How did that Venkys Out bellend do by the way?

[DCWat]

If the government was paying for it then the focus would be much more on quality than it is right now. With a private-loan system that's guarenteed by government then the focus is on getting as many loans out as possible, which means a proliferation of much weaker and less relevent degrees and more shitty tutoring to enable more loans to be made.

But we would then have the elitist argument, not monetary but in terms of educational level. Free tuition for all doesn't suggest that it's considering limiting courses to those of a higher academic caliber.

University shouldn't be for all, it should be limited to those with the highest grades. There should be quality alternatives for those that don't meet those grades.

[claretandy]

This is where the DUP stand on Corbyn

[Dom]

How did that Venkys Out bellend do by the way?

Lost their deposit, 700 votes. More than the Lib Dems though

[claretandy]

Free university courses should only be for jobs that we need, i.e teachers, doctors, nurses ect, and they should have to spend so many years in Education or the NHS for it to remain free, everybody else should have to pay.

[martin_p]

So it's another U-turn from May then. Apparently it's now ok to associate with terrorists.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 76873.html

[claretandy]

And so it begins, ministers warn may against watering down brexit or she will face a leadership challenge, like i said no chance of soft brexit now.

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[Imploding Turtle]

And so it begins, ministers warn may against watering down brexit or she will face a leadership challenge, like i said no chance of soft brexit now.

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No chance of a hard brexit either since it will see them thrown out in a landslide versus a Labour which advocates a soft brexit. And the soft brexit tories will know this. The Tories will tear themselves a part of it and it will force a new election. And in that election soft brexit will win again.

So, Mrs. May, tell me more about this "coalition of chaos".

[UpTheBeehole]

Actual Ulster Resistance members in Government, rather than a mere IRA cheerleader

[Imploding Turtle]

[ClaretMoffitt]

No chance of a hard brexit either since it will see them thrown out in a landslide versus a Labour which advocates a soft brexit. And the soft brexit tories will know this. The Tories will tear themselves a part of it and it will force a new election. And in that election soft brexit will win again.

So, Mrs. May, tell me more about this "coalition of chaos".

Can we stop calling it a soft brexit, its a no brexit.

If we stay in the SM, customs unions and Subject to EU law, we are still in the EU in all but name.

[Imploding Turtle]

Can we stop calling it a soft brexit, its a no brexit.

If we stay in the SM, customs unions and Subject to EU law, we are still in the EU in all but name.

Tough ****. lol. We only voted on EU membership, not what it would look like if we leave.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Tough ****. lol. We only voted on EU membership, not what it would look like if we leave.

For someone who seems to devoted to fighting for democracy and our values you seem pretty happy to see that level of blatant slithering go unchallenged.

[claretandy]

As i said the DUP want hard brexit.

"The agreement stops short of a formal coalition, but will ensure that the Conservatives have a Commons majority to get through a Queen's Speech and Budget.

Details of the arrangement are not yet known, but it is thought the DUP will seek extra funding for Northern Ireland and an assurance that Mrs May will pursue a hard Brexit."

quotes from politics home website.

[claretandy]

No chance of a hard brexit either since it will see them thrown out in a landslide versus a Labour which advocates a soft brexit. And the soft brexit tories will know this. The Tories will tear themselves a part of it and it will force a new election. And in that election soft brexit will win again.

So, Mrs. May, tell me more about this "coalition of chaos".

Where's your evidence that Labour wants "soft brexit" ? Their policy is to end freedom of movement and leave the single market, only thing thet want is the customs union.

[claretandy]

John Curtice provides some context:

“Labour has lost this election as badly as Gordon Brown did in 2010.”

[Spijed]

I wonder what it is with Europe and the Conservatives?

Ultimately it seems to destroy every leader that comes across the EU.

From Margaret Thatcher and onto John Major, then David Cameron & now Theresa May.

Although with Margaret Thatcher it seemed to be the straw that broke the Camels back after the Poll Tax.

[JohnMcGreal]

For someone who seems to devoted to fighting for democracy and our values you seem pretty happy to see that level of blatant slithering go unchallenged.

Face it Moffitt, there just isn't enough public support for the kamikaze Brexit that you want. May went to the public with exactly that, and the public rejected it.

[nil_desperandum]

As i said the DUP want hard brexit.

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No they don't. Why have you made that up? ~they've stated that they want a soft border, the single market and freedom of movement as part of any deal.
Their leader has stated this morning. "Nobody wants to see a hard Brexit ....... " and that they will "fight no deal"