Summer transfer window

[Hedontplayforyou]

https://x.com/cassejosue/status/1950620 ... cYMQnkX92A

Link to a CB

I’m sure we’ve been linked to him earlier in the window .

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’m sure we’ve been linked to him earlier in the window .

Just checked, we were linked to him by Fabrizio Romano. So potentially there is something in this

[aggi]

PSR. I know your interpretation of how the cost of the player is amortised over the period of the contract, but there any many trusted sources stating August 1st before we make more signings.

It's not an interpretation, it's how it works.

[NewClaret]

Just checked, we were linked to him by Fabrizio Romano. So potentially there is something in this

Looks decent as well.

[Steddyman]

It's not an interpretation, it's how it works.

The chief finance writer of the Athletic does not agree. I know which one I would trust most.

[Goody1975]

I know the square root of **** all about this stuff but if there is no cut off, i.e. from one set of accounts / financial period to another and that a player is amortised on a daily basis then what is the point of the PSR period?

[aggi]

The chief finance writer of the Athletic does not agree. I know which one I would trust most.

Chris Weatherspoon? He's talking about selling players, not buying.

[aggi]

I know the square root of **** all about this stuff but if there is no cut off, i.e. from one set of accounts / financial period to another and that a player is amortised on a daily basis then what is the point of the PSR period?

Well the amortization method gives a more accurate representation of the benefit of the player. You incur a little bit of cost over all the time the player plays for the club rather than incurring it all upfront and then the signing not having any cost for the rest of the time they are playing for the club.

[Steddyman]

Chris Weatherspoon? He's talking about selling players, not buying.

His exact words:

"With £27million sale of James Trafford to Manchester City, Burnley have generated a little under £120m in player sales across 2024-25 (accounting/PSR period ends on 31 July)

Had them needing to make overall profit to avoid a PSR breach, and potentially at risk. Less so now"

So clearly even with the Trafford sale we are close to a breach. That is why we paused business until tomorrow.

[aggi]

His exact words:

"With £27million sale of James Trafford to Manchester City, Burnley have generated a little under £120m in player sales across 2024-25 (accounting/PSR period ends on 31 July)

Had them needing to make overall profit to avoid a PSR breach, and potentially at risk. Less so now"

So clearly even with the Trafford sale we are close to a breach. That is why we paused business until tomorrow.

Yes, we sold Trafford. Nothing about buying players in that tweet. It works like people have said with the amortization. You might disagree with that but facts are facts.

[ClaretPete001]

Not sure whether we are making decisions based upon PSR. What I do know is that we are now in August and are net spend to improve the squad from last season is less than zero.

[Paul Waine]

His exact words:

"With £27million sale of James Trafford to Manchester City, Burnley have generated a little under £120m in player sales across 2024-25 (accounting/PSR period ends on 31 July)

Had them needing to make overall profit to avoid a PSR breach, and potentially at risk. Less so now"

So clearly even with the Trafford sale we are close to a breach. That is why we paused business until tomorrow.

If that's what the finance guy at the Athletic has to say about PSR then it only demonstrates that he doesn't understand PSR.

If we accept that Burnley signed James Trafford for £14 million from City on a 4 year contract - and that JT has been sold back to City 2 years later, then JT would be on BFC's books at £7 million asset value (2 years of the 4 years having been amortised), then BFC make a profit of £20 million (£27m less £7m) on the sale of JT.

Similar calculations should also apply to all the other player sales.

As there are so many figures that are "undisclosed" I don't think any of us can make reasonable forecasts of where the 2024/25 financial statements will come out. But, that doesn't mean that we should assume that BFC is financially constrained by PSR.

[Steddyman]

I guess we will find out if we sign players tomorrow.

[Paul Waine]

His exact words:

"With £27million sale of James Trafford to Manchester City, Burnley have generated a little under £120m in player sales across 2024-25 (accounting/PSR period ends on 31 July)

Had them needing to make overall profit to avoid a PSR breach, and potentially at risk. Less so now"

So clearly even with the Trafford sale we are close to a breach. That is why we paused business until tomorrow.

I forgot to comment on your "paused business" statement. Whether BFC buys a player in the last week of July or the first week of August it makes zero difference to PSR. All the costs of buying a player are spread over the period of the contract. (Cash, of course, is a different matter. Clubs only need the cash to pay other clubs according to the payment dates agreed in the contract. And, as we know, cash can be borrowed).

[aggi]

If that's what the finance guy at the Athletic has to say about PSR then it only demonstrates that he doesn't understand PSR.

If we accept that Burnley signed James Trafford for £14 million from City on a 4 year contract - and that JT has been sold back to City 2 years later, then JT would be on BFC's books at £7 million asset value (2 years of the 4 years having been amortised), then BFC make a profit of £20 million (£27m less £7m) on the sale of JT.

Similar calculations should also apply to all the other player sales.

As there are so many figures that are "undisclosed" I don't think any of us can make reasonable forecasts of where the 2024/25 financial statements will come out. But, that doesn't mean that we should assume that BFC is financially constrained by PSR.

I'm sure he does understand PSR and amortisation, the guy is a chartered accountant. It's just a quick tweet to show we've sold lots of players for a lot of money.

[Goody1975]

Well the amortization method gives a more accurate representation of the benefit of the player. You incur a little bit of cost over all the time the player plays for the club rather than incurring it all upfront and then the signing not having any cost for the rest of the time they are playing for the club.

Thanks

[Vegas Claret]

Palhinha signing for Spurs, on loan from Bayern

[Vegas Claret]

Sounds like Bournemouth are about to lose another player, Zabarnyi to PSG

[Rowls]

Tomorrow is now today.

[CaptainClaret]

Croatian striker Franjo Ivanovic had been mentioned as a potential target for us - he’s now gone to Benfica for around £18m

[claretonthecoast1882]

..in much the same way as contributors to this forum have a right to say what they think...
...for heaven's sake man, stop skriking every time you see a post that isn't blowing smoke up Brownhill's backside.

Previous response has been deleted, I will word it kinder in case you complained.

I have hardly said a word about Brownhill, I accepted he had gone about 2 weeks after the end of the season. I won't act like a dumped school kid and bitch about him due to him wanting to move on. I guess some just deal with things better.

If he wants to move elsewhere purely for money he is entitled to do so, he owes us nothing. 99.9% of footballers are in it for money.

[fatboy47]

Previous response has been deleted, I will word it kinder in case you complained.

I have hardly said a word about Brownhill, I accepted he had gone about 2 weeks after the end of the season. I won't act like a dumped school kid and bitch about him due to him wanting to move on. I guess some just deal with things better.

If he wants to move elsewhere purely for money he is entitled to do so, he owes us nothing. 99.9% of footballers are in it for money.

Never complained about a poster in my life.

People seemed to feel that anyone giving an opinion that Josh maybe wasnt a great option for the Prem were somehow negating his contribution over recent years.

The two aren't mutually inclusive.

Accept that you were't one of the persistent ones...I did'nt go counting them

[Steddyman]

I'm sure he does understand PSR and amortisation, the guy is a chartered accountant. It's just a quick tweet to show we've sold lots of players for a lot of money.

It really isn't. 'Less so now', i doesn't mean we are at no risk of a PSR breach. If we were to buy at that point, it increases the risk. He is pointing out we are on the wire.

[TheFamilyCat]

It's signing day, folks.

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[Hedontplayforyou]

Croatian striker Franjo Ivanovic had been mentioned as a potential target for us - he’s now gone to Benfica for around £18m

Was one on my list early in the window . Will be interesting to see how he gets on

[claretonthecoast1882]

Never complained about a poster in my life.

People seemed to feel that anyone giving an opinion that Josh maybe wasnt a great option for the Prem were somehow negating his contribution over recent years.

The two aren't mutually inclusive.

Accept that you were't one of the persistent ones...I did'nt go counting them

Not a problem, hopefully we sign an improvement soon enough

[agreenwood]

I don’t get the impression that anyone has been lined up ready to sign on the dotted line on 1 August. Not even convinced that 1 August is particularly significant.

I suspect what’s happening is that we’ve got a limited budget and finding players who are better than what we have is proving to be difficult within our budget. Same as it ever was when we get to this level.

What’s our record transfer in? £15m? £16m? That’s probably still as far as we would go to now and you don’t see many players going for those sort of fees in the Prem these days - certainly not ones ready to make an instant impact.

[aggi]

It really isn't. 'Less so now', i doesn't mean we are at no risk of a PSR breach. If we were to buy at that point, it increases the risk. He is pointing out we are on the wire.

I'd love to be this confident about something I didn't understand.

If we are so close to the wire that £8,000 (£15m signing on a 5 year contract) will breach PSR then we are in bigger trouble than that tweet suggests.

Maybe a signing will be announced today, particularly someone on a free, but it will be nothing to do with PSR.

[Big Vinny K]

Guess the main link to PSR was getting the Trafford deal done and booking that profit into the year end numbers.
Getting the Trafford deal done so late July also possibly pushes some of the spend we are looking to make into August.

Or it may just be the normal thing of players we are interested in changing their minds, wanting to much in wages and just the protracted nature of lots of these transfers these days. A lot of transfers also seem to get announced as official by the clubs weeks after everything has been agreed between clubs and players etc. Look at the Wirtz deal at Liverpool - by all accounts it was all sorted weeks before the official unveiling.

If this year is the same as others there will be more deals done this month than in the rest of the transfer window. It’s a positive that we have already got a number of deals done.

[ollieclarets8]

If we are to bring in anybody on loan, it very well could be later this month as players learn they're not going to get much playing time at their parent club.

[ClaretPete001]

I don’t get the impression that anyone has been lined up ready to sign on the dotted line on 1 August. Not even convinced that 1 August is particularly significant.

I suspect what’s happening is that we’ve got a limited budget and finding players who are better than what we have is proving to be difficult within our budget. Same as it ever was when we get to this level.

What’s our record transfer in? £15m? £16m? That’s probably still as far as we would go to now and you don’t see many players going for those sort of fees in the Prem these days - certainly not ones ready to make an instant impact.

I suspect this is true but I'm hoping for serious activity in the next few weeks.

[billyhamilton82]

We literally need to sign the spine of the team this month.

Although I'm happy with the business already conducted, and we are definitely in a better position than the VK Premier pre season, the next few signings are definitely our most important.

Positions required:

GK

DM

AM

CF

[ClaretPete001]

We literally need to sign the spine of the team this month.

Although I'm happy with the business already conducted, and we are definitely in a better position than the VK Premier pre season, the next few signings are definitely our most important.

Positions required:

GK

DM

AM

CF

Not sure we need an AM but yes - it's looking like a tall order at this point.

[Goliath]

We literally need to sign the spine of the team this month.

Although I'm happy with the business already conducted, and we are definitely in a better position than the VK Premier pre season, the next few signings are definitely our most important.

Positions required:

GK

DM

AM

CF

What have you seen that means we are in a better position than the vk pre season?

We are a million miles off at the moment.

[aggi]

Useful image from the Athletic on the state of play:

[ollieclarets8]

Useful image from the Athletic on the state of play:

Looking at our signings at a glance like that, they are solid purchases. We've done well. The club just needs to be given patience to complete it this month, which I'm sure they will.

[LucasBFC1]

Seeing a lot of rumours we've bid 2m for Martin Dubravka.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

From sky sports:

Ipswich trying to re-sign Cajuste

Ipswich are in talks with Napoli over re-signing midfielder Jens Cajuste.
Discussions are ongoing around a loan and the conditions of an obligation to buy.
It is thought the obligation to buy would kick in if Ipswich earn promotion back to the Premier League.
Cajuste spent last season on loan at Ipswich and there is a willingness from all parties to get a deal done.

[ArmchairDetective]

Seeing a lot of rumours we've bid 2m for Martin Dubravka.

I didn't watch much PL last year so not sure what he's been up to but seems like it'd be a solid, sensible signing?

[LucasBFC1]

I didn't watch much PL last year so not sure what he's been up to but seems like it'd be a solid, sensible signing?

He's Newcastle's backup GK behind Pope but he's still solid.

[agreenwood]

From sky sports:

Ipswich trying to re-sign Cajuste

Ipswich are in talks with Napoli over re-signing midfielder Jens Cajuste.
Discussions are ongoing around a loan and the conditions of an obligation to buy.
It is thought the obligation to buy would kick in if Ipswich earn promotion back to the Premier League.
Cajuste spent last season on loan at Ipswich and there is a willingness from all parties to get a deal done.

If we really wanted Cajuste, I suspect we’d be able to get it done. There doesn’t appear to be much (or any) competition at PL level and it seems inexpensive.

If we don’t sign him, it’s probably just an indication that we didn’t really want him.

[Firthy]

I didn't watch much PL last year so not sure what he's been up to but seems like it'd be a solid, sensible signing?

Made 10 appearances with 5 clean sheets last season. 36 now so probably OK for a season.

[billyhamilton82]

What have you seen that means we are in a better position than the vk pre season?

We are a million miles off at the moment.

We still have a month left, no need to panic, especially as the main business under VK was completed in August in Berge, Odobert and to a lesser extent Ramsey.

As a direct comparison its quite obvious to see.

1. We have a left back, in fact two and a third who can cover.
2. We have the defence sorted.
3. We have a manager who understands how to set up in the Premier League and a team replicating that image.
4. We have Esteve from the start of the season.
5. We have signed a world class right back with 15 years Premier League experience.
6. Half of the signings, (including JBL) are already settled and played a full season for the club.
7. The balance of the team/squad is much better.
8. We have signed players with existing Premier League experience.
9. It looks like we are signing a goalkeeper with existing Premier League experience.
10. Upto this point under VK we had signed 8 players including Vigouroux, Redmond and Obafemi who played 132 minutes of PL football between them.



1. Dara O'Shea
2. Lawrence Vigouroux
3. Jordan Beyer
4. Michael Obafemi
5. Zeki Amdouni
6. James Trafford
7. Nathan Redmond
8. Luca Koleosho

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9. Sander Berge (Signed 9th August)
10. Wilson Odobert (Signed 12th August)
11. Hannes Delcroix (Signed 22nd August)
12. Aaron Ramsey (Signed 22nd August)
13. Han-Noah Massengo (Signed 31st August)


1 Loum Tchaouna
2 Bashir Humphreys
3 Marcus Edwards
4 Jaidon Anthony
5 Quilindschy Hartman
6 Zian Flemming
7 Jacob Bruun Larsen
8 Max Weiß
9 Axel Tuanzebe
10 Kyle Walker

[ecc]

Yeah loads of business, that’s why we aren’t anymore because Alan Pace and all the scouting team are spending their time in Spain.

Unless you're being humourous that just isn't true.

[warksclaret]

If we really wanted Cajuste, I suspect we’d be able to get it done. There doesn’t appear to be much (or any) competition at PL level and it seems inexpensive.

If we don’t sign him, it’s probably just an indication that we didn’t really want him.

Remember reading about 7 days ago on here that the Cajuste deal was done by someone "ITK"

[ArmchairDetective]

He's Newcastle's backup GK behind Pope but he's still solid.

Made 10 appearances with 5 clean sheets last season. 36 now so probably OK for a season.

Thanks. Better option than Hladky? If we see Weiss as our future no.1 it probably makes sense to get someone in that's happy to do a job for a year or two.

[Mattster]

3. We have a manager who understands how to set up in the Premier League and a team replicating that image.

Based on his 3 seasons managing at Premier League level where his record is 2 relegations the first 2 attempts and being sacked after conceding 16 goals in his first 4 matches in the 3rd?

[ab1882]

10. Upto this point under VK we had signed 8 players including Vigouroux, Redmond and Obafemi who played 132 minutes of PL football between them.

On board with your point, but 9 including JBL and Tresor (Sept 1st) has gone missing again

Sometimes players are waiting for better offers and you miss out (Ziyech) and sometimes you land them (Defour).

[CoolClaret]

We have a massive game against Sunderland in three weeks, so we don't want to be bedding in new players in the week leading up to that game. Let's hope we get some business done over the next couple of days.

[jrgbfc]

Made 10 appearances with 5 clean sheets last season. 36 now so probably OK for a season.

I think there was plenty up there who thought he was unlucky to get dropped, especially when Pope made a few errors. Be a good steady signing.