Summer transfer window

[Goliath]

We still have a month left, no need to panic, especially as the main business under VK was completed in August in Berge, Odobert and to a lesser extent Ramsey.

As a direct comparison its quite obvious to see.

1. We have a left back, in fact two and a third who can cover.
2. We have the defence sorted.
3. We have a manager who understands how to set up in the Premier League and a team replicating that image.
4. We have Esteve from the start of the season.
5. We have signed a world class right back with 15 years Premier League experience.
6. Half of the signings, (including JBL) are already settled and played a full season for the club.
7. The balance of the team/squad is much better.
8. We have signed players with existing Premier League experience.
9. It looks like we are signing a goalkeeper with existing Premier League experience.
10. Upto this point under VK we had signed 8 players including Vigouroux, Redmond and Obafemi who played 132 minutes of PL football between them.



1. Dara O'Shea
2. Lawrence Vigouroux
3. Jordan Beyer
4. Michael Obafemi
5. Zeki Amdouni
6. James Trafford
7. Nathan Redmond
8. Luca Koleosho

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9. Sander Berge (Signed 9th August)
10. Wilson Odobert (Signed 12th August)
11. Hannes Delcroix (Signed 22nd August)
12. Aaron Ramsey (Signed 22nd August)
13. Han-Noah Massengo (Signed 31st August)


1 Loum Tchaouna
2 Bashir Humphreys
3 Marcus Edwards
4 Jaidon Anthony
5 Quilindschy Hartman
6 Zian Flemming
7 Jacob Bruun Larsen
8 Max Weiß
9 Axel Tuanzebe
10 Kyle Walker

Nothing to do with anyone panicking. I was just stating a fact that at present we are a million miles off.

We obviously will do more business but we now have the issue of having to try and fit players in after most of the pre season work is done. Not ideal when we need a at least 3 to be able to hit the ground running.

That's the realism of the situation if you look at it neutrally instead of with claret tinted glasses.
The list you put up of this summers transfers also shows the limitations of this loan with an option policy we seem to go with when relegated. We are basically paying for last season now, after the event whilst also trying to improve for this season, not an easy task.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Based on his 3 seasons managing at Premier League level where his record is 2 relegations the first 2 attempts and being sacked after conceding 16 goals in his first 4 matches in the 3rd?

Wondered how long it would take for the agenda to begin again

[Woodleyclaret]

We will be fine and don't need a scattergun approach to signing VK or Sunderland style.

[ksrclaret]

Based on his 3 seasons managing at Premier League level where his record is 2 relegations the first 2 attempts and being sacked after conceding 16 goals in his first 4 matches in the 3rd?

I thought Parker had only managed one full season in the PL?

[LucasBFC1]

We're in for Mason Mount on a loan.

[123EasyasBFC]

How can Ipswich be negotiating for Cajuste with Napoli when he’s already signed for us.

Signed for us about 11 pages ago.

[Goliath]

We're in for Mason Mount on a loan.

Ignoring how he was pre Injury because it's been so long ago it's hardly relevant, I still thought he looked good last season. Still has that knack of timing his runs and getting goals, in the same way Brownhill did.
I'd be happy with this but there's also a fair chance that he'd end up injured.

[summitclaret]

We're in for Mason Mount on a loan.

We are building an extension to the Pyshio room.

[burnley007]

We're in for Mason Mount on a loan.

Decent source?
This would be a statement signing.

[RVclaret]

Nothing to do with anyone panicking. I was just stating a fact that at present we are a million miles off.

We obviously will do more business but we now have the issue of having to try and fit players in after most of the pre season work is done. Not ideal when we need a at least 3 to be able to hit the ground running.

That's the realism of the situation if you look at it neutrally instead of with claret tinted glasses.
The list you put up of this summers transfers also shows the limitations of this loan with an option policy we seem to go with when relegated. We are basically paying for last season now, after the event whilst also trying to improve for this season, not an easy task.

Always makes me laugh when people get themselves so confused between a fact and opinion, yet continue to speak with such confidence, authority and assertiveness.

[burnley007]

Based on his 3 seasons managing at Premier League level where his record is 2 relegations the first 2 attempts and being sacked after conceding 16 goals in his first 4 matches in the 3rd?

Come on, the guy earned plenty of credit from us last season surely?

He won me over, the players clearly really enjoy his management, let's give him a good chance at this shall we?

[123EasyasBFC]

Come on, the guy earned plenty of credit from us last season surely?

He won me over, the players clearly really enjoy his management, let's give him a good chance at this shall we?

The irony of you pleading with someone to give Parker some credit.

This time last year you wanted him gone before a ball was kicked.

[CoolClaret]

Based on his 3 seasons managing at Premier League level where his record is 2 relegations the first 2 attempts and being sacked after conceding 16 goals in his first 4 matches in the 3rd?

Would you like to tell everyone the circumstances SP walked into in one of those relegations as well as the four teams he played in those first four matches in the third (and the one game that disproportionally alters that stat)?

Also implies that a manager cannot improve, which is nonsensical.

[Goliath]

Always makes me laugh when people get themselves so confused between a fact and opinion, yet continue to speak with such confidence, authority and assertiveness.

Oh come on. You can't genuinely think that the squad as it is is anywhere near? I'm sure Parker doesn't think it is either.

If I say Preston's squad would be nowhere near at this level would you argue against that being factual as well? At what point does opinion become fact, or more importantly.. who gives a sh*t?

It's a silly, petulant bit of point scoring youre going for to try and undermine my point because you're unable to realistically argue with what I actually said.
If you think the squad as it is is good enough then that's fine, I'm not going to argue with you, I just strongly disagree as does the manager who's clearly trying to get a numerous players in.

[Woodleyclaret]

Thanks nice response.We are still firmly in silly season where journos are desperate to full column inches. Some of the "links are spurious at best.We have signed some decent players and probably need a cm enforcer.

[Mattster]

Wondered how long it would take for the agenda to begin again

No agenda. Just questioning how it can be claimed that we are better placed this season because we have a manager who "understands how to set up in the Premier League" when that is his record. Is that an unreasonable question?

[ArmchairDetective]

The irony of you pleading with someone to give Parker some credit.

This time last year you wanted him gone before a ball was kicked.

I'm reluctantly adding to the point scoring derailing nature of some posts on this thread here, but Burnley007 did acknowledge that in their post.

[burnley007]

The irony of you pleading with someone to give Parker some credit.

This time last year you wanted him gone before a ball was kicked.

whooosh

My WHOLE point is that he earned credit last season.

[RVclaret]

Oh come on. You can't genuinely think that the squad as it is is anywhere near? I'm sure Parker doesn't think it is either.

If I say Preston's squad would be nowhere near at this level would you argue against that being factual as well? At what point does opinion become fact, or more importantly.. who gives a sh*t?

It's a silly, petulant bit of point scoring youre going for to try and undermine my point because you're unable to realistically argue with what I actually said.
If you think the squad as it is is good enough then that's fine, I'm not going to argue with you, I just strongly disagree as does the manager who's clearly trying to get a numerous players in.

We aren’t a million miles off, in my opinion. GK and CM, we’d be competitive, GK, CM and Striker and we’d have a better balanced, more experienced squad and manager than last time.

[GetIntoEm]

Turned on parker now, love this thread

[wadeswondergoal]

Don’t feed the trolls.

[billyhamilton82]

Based on his 3 seasons managing at Premier League level where his record is 2 relegations the first 2 attempts and being sacked after conceding 16 goals in his first 4 matches in the 3rd?

Yes we all know that, but at least we aren't going up deluded with the thinking that we can take on £ Billion clubs at their own game.

[Bacchus]

Always makes me laugh when people get themselves so confused between a fact and opinion, yet continue to speak with such confidence, authority and assertiveness.

80% of this forum (90% of this thread) is made up of people posting utter drivel with a totally unwarranted air of authority. The theme about PSR pushing transfers back to today being a prime example.

The fun part is working out which contributors know full well that they are posting drivel but weirdly continue to do so and which ones actually believe the nonsense they write.

[billyhamilton82]

Mason Mount link:

https://x.com/OfficialOTBNews/status/19 ... gr%5Etweet

[Goliath]

We aren’t a million miles off, in my opinion. GK and CM, we’d be competitive, GK, CM and Striker and we’d have a better balanced, more experienced squad and manager than last time.

Right, so without those we wouldn't be anywhere near enough points surely? I don't really see what you're disagreeing with..we both think we need to improve the starting 11 to be competitive.

[burnley007]

Mason Mount link:

https://x.com/OfficialOTBNews/status/19 ... gr%5Etweet

I hope it's true, but I'm not sure it is, surely??

[billyhamilton82]

I hope it's true, but I'm not sure it is, surely??

Feel the same, but this would be a brilliant signing if we can pull it off.

UTC

[burnley007]

Mount has played 30 games over the past 2 seasons for Utd.
£2m per game! Ouch.

[Tall Paul]

No agenda. Just questioning how it can be claimed that we are better placed this season because we have a manager who "understands how to set up in the Premier League" when that is his record. Is that an unreasonable question?

It's not unreasonable at all.

[Mattster]

Yes we all know that, but at least we aren't going up deluded with the thinking that we can take on £ Billion clubs at their own game.

But are we deluded with the thinking we've got a manager who understands the level when his 3 previous attempts at the level have all been failures?

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Mount would be the ideal replacement for Brownhill.

[agreenwood]

But are we deluded with the thinking we've got a manager who understands the level when his 3 previous attempts at the level have all been failures?

You’ve over-egged that a bit.

He was relegated with Fulham twice, but one of those occasions was as a manager coming in in March when Fulham were already in the relegation zone - 10 points off safety with 10 games to go.

He was never relegated with Bournemouth, but was sacked after being outspoken regarding their recruitment after 4 games and off the back of defeats to Arsenal, City and Liverpool.

Has he succeeded in the Prem? No. Has he failed 3 times? Well, only if you really want to stretch the truth to make a point.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Mount would be the ideal replacement for Brownhill.

A fit Mount would be for sure.

[IPAclaret]

And on it goes, yet more endless pointless bickering.

I just don't know how or why you can be arsed.

I get that a topic is going to wander in different directions but this is beyond the ridiculous.

Rant over and I'll log back in, in 24 hours to see if we've actually bought anyone.

UTC

[ArmchairDetective]

I'd be over the moon if we signed mount. A real sign of intent and ambition.

Easy to forget, if he wasn't a bit injury prone and lost a bit of form he wouldn't be linked with us.

[boyyanno]

Mount would be a class signing, but we'd still need a combatative midfielder as well.

[ArmchairDetective]

No idea whether it's true but someone on this thread did say we're in negotiations for players from both Manchester clubs.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I just cannot see Mount coming to Burnley. He’s a very good player when he’s fit.

Played 70 mins against Bournemouth in a friendly the other day.

[Woodleyclaret]

Scott Parker deserves our full support.We are up against millionaire clubs and there is no point winging about our situation. We have players with hugh hearts proud to wear the shirt who will give 100% for SP and us and they deserve our support UTC

[dougcollins]

We were allegedly offered Ortega as part of the Trafford deal, but turned him down?

[warksclaret]

Mount has played 30 games over the past 2 seasons for Utd.
£2m per game! Ouch.

...and Man Utd have been a shambles in the way they have managed players. Had Mount gone to the likes of Bournemouth, Palace, Fulham or similar well run clubs for two years, you would probably have seen the "real" Mount

[billyhamilton82]

But are we deluded with the thinking we've got a manager who understands the level when his 3 previous attempts at the level have all been failures?

If you take time to read back, the initial post was in response to Goliath in respect of a direct comparison between the respective pre season's of VK (at Burnley and SP (at Burnley).

Simply put, IMO we are better set up under SP in prepration for a PL season than we were under VK as I believe because he has been there before and knows what's coming.

VK, following on from having a very haphazard transfer window, never got to grips with the higher level and was IMO, extremely naive.

The fact he has maanged in the PL before is in my opinion a positive not a negative.

[Conroy92]

...and Man Utd have been a shambles in the way they have managed players. Had Mount gone to the likes of Bournemouth, Palace, Fulham or similar well run clubs for two years, you would probably have seen the "real" Mount

This.

[CoolClaret]

You’ve over-egged that a bit.

He was relegated with Fulham twice, but one of those occasions was as a manager coming in in March when Fulham were already in the relegation zone - 10 points off safety with 10 games to go.

He was never relegated with Bournemouth, but was sacked after being outspoken regarding their recruitment after 4 games and off the back of defeats to Arsenal, City and Liverpool.

Has he succeeded in the Prem? No. Has he failed 3 times? Well, only if you really want to stretch the truth to make a point.

After beating Villa 2-0 in their first game as well (Bournemouth)

[NL Claret]

Don’t feed the trolls.

Excellent guidance, unfortunately some are unable to identify the classic trolls who love to hijack a thread for their own benefit.

Some are all to easy to identify yet get plenty of food.

[Elizabeth]

And on it goes, yet more endless pointless bickering.

I just don't know how or why you can be arsed.

I get that a topic is going to wander in different directions but this is beyond the ridiculous.

Rant over and I'll log back in, in 24 hours to see if we've actually bought anyone.

UTC

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UTC. When we signed Kyle Walker I was sat on the settee at home and the sky sports ribbon came up with confirmation of the signing without any previous talk. Pure delight and it would it be too much to ask that the same thing happens again.

The thing is this forum is quite addictive and there's always the temptation to have a little peek and invariably it ends in a big anti climax.

Get the goalkeeper in first and that narrows down the additional number of key signings we need.

[Mattster]

If you take time to read back, the initial post was in response to Goliath in respect of a direct comparison between the respective pre season's of VK (at Burnley and SP (at Burnley).

Simply put, IMO we are better set up under SP in prepration for a PL season than we were under VK as I believe because he has been there before and knows what's coming.

VK, following on from having a very haphazard transfer window, never got to grips with the higher level and was IMO, extremely naive.

The fact he has maanged in the PL before is in my opinion a positive not a negative.

Fair enough, though worth noting that Parker's only full PL season ended in relegation and finished more points from safety than we did under Kompany.

So I'd still question the comparison.

[Mattster]

You’ve over-egged that a bit.

He was relegated with Fulham twice, but one of those occasions was as a manager coming in in March when Fulham were already in the relegation zone - 10 points off safety with 10 games to go.

He was never relegated with Bournemouth, but was sacked after being outspoken regarding their recruitment after 4 games and off the back of defeats to Arsenal, City and Liverpool.

Has he succeeded in the Prem? No. Has he failed 3 times? Well, only if you really want to stretch the truth to make a point.

Ofcourse he failed 3 times. Which season are you claiming was a success?

[whiffa]

Can tell the kids are off school can't you...

[Mattster]

Mount would be a great signing, we would still need at least 1 more midfielder to strengthen the spine defensively. And possibly another given the likelihood Mount would miss a some periods of the season with injury.