Ashes Second Test

[warksclaret]

Pope & Brook both got out to terrific deliveries

Exceptional balls, but how good has their play been in general

[ClaretTony]

Exceptional balls, but how good has their play been in general

Brook stays in for me without a doubt

[SalisburyClaret]

Foakes has to play.

[Milltown1882]

Brook stays in for me without a doubt

I’m not overly keen on dropping a guy that averages 74.7 in Test cricket.

[warksclaret]

Brook stays in for me without a doubt

Agreed-my initial comment was aimed at Bell and Crawley

[bfcjg]

Sometimes you have to admit they are at times better at playing the game with better cricketers.

[Casper2]

It’s time the wide rule in test cricket was reviewed

[sjb]

Agreed-my initial comment was aimed at Bell and Crawley

Not sure what Ian Bell has done to upset you

[ClaretTony]

That’s it. Really good effort today to get as close as we did and for so long a good watch.

[Milltown1882]

Close margins these two tests. Luckily a v quick turnaround for Headingley. Refresh the bowling attack and it’s on.

[ClaretTony]

We might be 2-0 down but this series has got me gripped

[Newcastleclaret93]

It’s tough - just think that with Jimmy seemingly dropping off a cliff we may as well have someone that will average around 25-30 with the bat…

I’d probably bring Moeen back in and either Sam Curran or Woakes for Anderson.

I like Curran because he’s a left armer and has a different style - brings some variation to our attack

You could argue Wood back in but who for or even Potts? Tongue actually bowled quite well…

Crawley
Duckett
Brook
Pope
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Curran/Woakes
Broad/Robbo/Potts
Tongue

Good batting to 9 there

Not sure what else could be done

I would be getting Hain in that starting eleven

[FCBurnley]

We wouldn’t. Had we not declared we would have run out of time so would have drawn it at best. We lost it because their 9th wicket pair scored 54 to win it.

Must be amazing to know what if. Bit spooky really

[Casper2]

Strauss really pi$$es me off saying not the usual crowd in at lords
What you mean commoners

[ClaretTony]

Must be amazing to know what if. Bit spooky really

Nothing amazing at all, just look how long was left when they won it. Just requires some common sense and a knowledge of the game.

[RVclaret]

Strauss really pi$$es me off saying not the usual crowd in at lords
What you mean commoners

He’s been bizarre these past few days

[ClaretTony]

Strauss really pi$$es me off saying not the usual crowd in at lords
What you mean commoners

It’s all very champagne & cocktails at Lord’s

[Robbie_painter]

Strauss really pi$$es me off saying not the usual crowd in at lords
What you mean commoners

Bad comment from strauss that,came across as elitist.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Nothing amazing at all, just look how long was left when they won it. Just requires some common sense and a knowledge of the game.

I personally don’t think it’s as simple as that. Anything could have happened, if we didn’t declare and added another 100 runs the pressure would be on the Aussies and they could have collapsed

[Milltown1882]

I would be getting Hain in that starting eleven

How him and Bell-Drummond aren’t around it is beyond me.

[CoolClaret]

Bad comment from strauss that,came across as elitist.

Strauss is an elitist tosser tbf

[ClaretTony]

Bad comment from strauss that,came across as elitist.

Strauss is but he’s right. I was amazed the first time I went how different it was.

[Casper2]

Aussie commentators biased , English commentators not .

[nil_desperandum]

Strauss really pi$$es me off saying not the usual crowd in at lords
What you mean commoners

I assumed that he mean't that the crowd were far more animated and vocal than in the past,which can only be a good thing. The atmosphere has generally been quite cool and passive at Lords compared to the northern grounds, but it was hostile today.This can only be a good thing for English cricket.

[ClaretTony]

Aussie commentators biased , English commentators not .

I’d rather listen to them than Pietersen & Morgan

[ClaretTony]

I assumed that he mean't that the crowd were far more animated and vocal than in the past,which can only be a good thing. The atmosphere at Lords has generally been quite cool and passive at Lords compared to the northern grounds, but it was hostile today.This can only be a good thing for English cricket.

Think that’s exactly what he meant

[Newcastleclaret93]

How him and Bell-Drummond aren’t around it is beyond me.

Isn’t Hain averaging 70 odd in the county championship this season. How he isn’t around this starting eleven blows my mind

[Robbie_painter]

Aussie commentators biased , English commentators not .

To be fair Ricky ponting is really good and doesn’t come across as biased at all.

[Woodleyclaret]

So the report was right? Elitist and racist?

[ClaretTony]

To be fair Ricky ponting is really good and doesn’t come across as biased at all.

I like listening to both of the Aussies on Sky

[alwaysaclaret]

Wood has to come in for Jimmy, change in tactics and let's just stop playing silly shots and giving wickets away far too cheaply, too many times we're left at the end expecting the bowlers to pull it out of bag, openers have to step up for me and just be consistent in building an innings, the only other issue is do we play a spinner, if so who. But after today's malarkey we shouldn't need to put any more fire in the bellies.

[ClaretTony]

Wood has to come in for Jimmy, change in tactics and let's just stop playing silly shots and giving wickets away far too cheaply, too many times we're left at the end expecting the bowlers to pull it out of bag, openers have to step up for me and just be consistent in building an innings, the only other issue is do we play a spinner, if so who. But after today's malarkey we shouldn't need to put any more fire in the bellies.

Is Wood fit? No doubt Jimmy hasn’t had good tests this summer although Edgbaston In particular offered him nothing. I’d have a fit Wood in the side.

[nil_desperandum]

I like listening to both of the Aussies on Sky

I agree, and for me Taylor is the better of the two. He's quite "old school" I think.

[Robbie_painter]

Is Wood fit? No doubt Jimmy hasn’t had good tests this summer although Edgbaston In particular offered him nothing. I’d have a fit Wood in the side.

Fairly sure the only reason wood isn’t in the side is because he’s unfit

[CoolClaret]

So the report was right? Elitist and racist?

Elitist for sure -

Don’t wanna get into it but a lot of issues in society stem from that; what can be perceived as racism in a lot of cases is more like elitism

[bobinho]

Who’s in Leeds? Or have I missed something

No you haven’t…. I have. Getting ahead of myself…

[FCBurnley]

I personally don’t think it’s as simple as that. Anything could have happened, if we didn’t declare and added another 100 runs the pressure would be on the Aussies and they could have collapsed

He forget to add arrogance and mystical powers.

[JohnDearyMe]

It’s all very champagne & cocktails at Lord’s

Ticket prices for the first 4 days at Lords were extremely expensive. Gets worse every year

[Clive 1960]

Changes i would make for next test bring Foakes in to wicketkeep move Bairstow up order for Pope if injured and wood for Anderson and if it spins Ali for Robinson.

[Robbie_painter]

Elitist for sure -

Don’t wanna get into it but a lot of issues in society stem from that; what can be perceived as racism in a lot of cases is more like elitism

Daft comment.Absolutely no need for it either.

[ClaretTony]

I agree, and for me Taylor is the better of the two. He's quite "old school" I think.

He is a more traditional kind of commentator. He’s good but I also like Ponting.

On the subject of good commentators, I’m now watching the Lancs t20 game and Bumble is on.

[ClaretTony]

Ticket prices for the first 4 days at Lords were extremely expensive. Gets worse every year

I was Talking to Someone a couple of weeks ago who said tickets for a day at the test have gone through the roof.

[alwaysaclaret]

Is Wood fit? No doubt Jimmy hasn’t had good tests this summer although Edgbaston In particular offered him nothing. I’d have a fit Wood in the side.

Not sure about wood's fitness but if he is he definitely comes in for me, one of the thing's they were far better at this test was pace, another was the field placings at times and the work they put in to stop the boundaries, it really is fine margins though tbf, but the one obvious thing we need to step up with is opening of batting and 3 and 4 we need to be far more consistent cos the aussies are.

[CoolClaret]

Daft comment.Absolutely no need for it either.

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Its not though is it - I don’t think you’ve fully grasped what I’m getting at.

The two are extremely intertwined - elitism influences stereotyping & racist institutions.

But again, don’t want to derail the thread

[alwaysaclaret]

Is Wood fit? No doubt Jimmy hasn’t had good tests this summer although Edgbaston In particular offered him nothing. I’d have a fit Wood in the side.

Got a funny feeling broad will be ready to step up though.

[Robbie_painter]

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Its not though is it - I don’t think you’ve fully grasped what I’m getting at.

The two are extremely intertwined - elitism influences stereotyping & racist institutions.

But again, don’t want to derail the thread

No correlation whatsoever between elitism and racism but if you think there is that’s up to you.Leave it there now as like you say there’s no need to derail a good thread.

[Taffy on the wing]

I'm still smarting at Robinson's wicket.....he was our last decent batsman & he just chucked it away!
Those things are the reason we're 2 down.....Brainfart decisions.

Regarding Strauss, he saw nothing unsporting about Bairstow's dismissal...Twohat.

[Spijed]

If cricket isn't elitist then why is it only a case of who you know to get membership of the MCC.

[Casper2]

To be fair Ricky ponting is really good and doesn’t come across as biased at all.

Are you being serious

[Casper2]

I assumed that he mean't that the crowd were far more animated and vocal than in the past,which can only be a good thing. The atmosphere has generally been quite cool and passive at Lords compared to the northern grounds, but it was hostile today.This can only be a good thing for English cricket.

It was only £25 to get in today making it affordable to the great unwashed