Covid-19

[FactualFrank]

Low dose aspirin might help those who are pre-disposed to blood clots if you get the virus:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/21/heal ... index.html

Low-dose Aspirin is a preventative measure, not really a treatment when you have it.

[Spijed]

Low-dose Aspirin is a preventative measure, not really a treatment when you have it.

Warfarin is the treatment once you have them.

[RingoMcCartney]

Now that it's become all but impossible to defend the Governments response.

Has it !? Says who!? According to the latest polling , around 62% of British people believe the government to be doing a good job in its handling of the unprecedented global pandemic.

Not that youd think so if the UTC messageboard was your only source of Coronavirus virus views. As the usual merry band of noisy lefties, whove never got over Boris's election success and subsequent EU exit in January, would have you believe. Which is, their opinion is prevailing one. It's not.

Let's blame the Chinese...........how creative of you, and your right wing friends.

So it's "right wing " to state the bleeding obvious is it!

Here's what those bastions of right wing rabble rousing gutter press, the Guardian and The NY Times have had to say about your precious ickle, "it weren't me gav, I neva did naffink", China-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... oronavirus

‘They’re chasing me’: the journalist who wouldn’t stay quiet on Covid-19

Li Zehua is missing, presumed detained. He’s one of many for whom the coronavirus crisis has led to a political awakenin

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ties-grows

Coronavirus: journalist missing in Wuhan as anger towards Chinese authorities grows

Chen Quishi’s disappearance comes amid widespread anger in China over the death of whistleblower doctor Li Wenliang

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/worl ... qiang.html

Chinese Tycoon Who Criticized Xi’s Response to Coronavirus Has Vanished

Ren Zhiqiang appears to be the latest government critic silenced by the Communist Party as it cracks down on dissent over the epidemic.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Many times the present situation has been likened to the second world war.
IMHO If Mr Hancock had been in charge then he would have saved millions
of lives. By the time Hancock got our troops to Dover the Germans would
already have been in London a fortnight.
The man makes inep sound productive.

Dominic Raab sending a fleet of cars to save people at Dunkirk.

[Taffy on the wing]

Has it !? Says who!? According to the latest polling , around 62% of British people believe the government to be doing a good job in its handling of the unprecedented global pandemic.

Not that youd think so if the UTC messageboard was your only source of Coronavirus virus views. As the usual merry band of noisy lefties, whove never got over Boris's election success and subsequent EU exit in January, would have you believe. Which is, their opinion is prevailing one. It's not.




So it's "right wing " to state the bleeding obvious is it!

Well you've stopped!
What's bleeding obvious is, this Government has made a complete balls-up of it's response to the Coronavirus. End of.

[evensteadiereddie]

Back to the "noisy lefties" crap, I see.
Looks like Mystic Smeg has run out of juice......
Can we not keep to the subject under discussion?

[RingoMcCartney]

Well you've stopped!
What's bleeding obvious is, this Government has made a complete balls-up of it's response to the Coronavirus. End of.

You hold a minority view.

Here's some more news from the right wingers favourite The Daily mirror!

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... s-21792733

Wuhan coronavirus whistleblower doctor 'goes missing' sparking detention fears

Wuhan doctor Ai Fen spoke out and later gave interviews with the media, but has since gone silent and her whereabouts are unknown as other medics who shared her concerns have died of the virus


Lovely people the Chinese Communist Party.


Not.

[evensteadiereddie]

And ?

[Taffy on the wing]

Has it !? Says who!? According to the latest polling , around 62% of British people believe the government to be doing a good job in its handling of the unprecedented global pandemic.

Not that youd think so if the UTC messageboard was your only source of Coronavirus virus views. As the usual merry band of noisy lefties, whove never got over Boris's election success and subsequent EU exit in January, would have you believe. Which is, their opinion is prevailing one. It's not.




So it's "right wing " to state the bleeding obvious is it!

Here's what those bastions of right wing rabble rousing gutter press, the Guardian and The NY Times have had to say about your precious ickle, "it weren't me gav, I neva did naffink", China-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... oronavirus

‘They’re chasing me’: the journalist who wouldn’t stay quiet on Covid-19

Li Zehua is missing, presumed detained. He’s one of many for whom the coronavirus crisis has led to a political awakenin

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ties-grows

Coronavirus: journalist missing in Wuhan as anger towards Chinese authorities grows

Chen Quishi’s disappearance comes amid widespread anger in China over the death of whistleblower doctor Li Wenliang

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/worl ... qiang.html

Chinese Tycoon Who Criticized Xi’s Response to Coronavirus Has Vanished

Ren Zhiqiang appears to be the latest government critic silenced by the Communist Party as it cracks down on dissent over the epidemic.

Get outside and breath some fresh air!.......maybe sit by the pool with Kate, and have a glass of wine. Relax.....maybe even get a life!

[evensteadiereddie]

Elizabeth would not be happy...

[RingoMcCartney]

Its come to summat when a noisy minority of key board Prime Ministers would sooner try and slag off their own governments reaction to an unprecedented global pandemic. Rather than admit that the speed and subsequent human and economic costs could have been far less damaging to the world. Had those responsible not lied , covered up and silenced anybody who wanted to warn others at it's very source !

Beyond help some people.

[evensteadiereddie]

Better than the key board Prime Ministers who are so obsessed with our government and Brexit , they refuse to accept any criticism of them whatsoever.

Beyond help, indeed !

[RingoMcCartney]

Get outside and breath some fresh air!.......maybe sit by the pool with Kate, and have a glass of wine. Relax.....maybe even get a life!

Yep! Resorted to playing the man not the ball. That sounds very familiar. You're ksr claret arent you!
See! Anyone can do the sad deluded paranoia riddled nonsense!



Anyway, back in the Real World a reality check for the noisy minority.

Data from a Survation poll showed that 74% of British adults believe “the Chinese government is to blame for allowing COVID-19 to spread”, while 19% said they do not believe it is to blame.

Of 1,001 adults polled on behalf of the Henry Jackson Society, a neoconservative think-tank, 83% said that the British government should demand an international inquiry into the response of the Chinese government to the COVID-19 crisis.

Last week a YouGov poll showed that a majority of Britons believe COVID-19 originated in a live animal market in China, and that such animal markets should be banned.

[TVC15]

CoRINGO Virus

Definition :

Never stops spreading it’s sh-ite

Evidence of tendency to attack ethnic minorities

Very likely to come back and repeat (again and again and again)

Everybody is sick to back teeth of it

Likely to be more than one variation of it

World will be a better place without it

[evensteadiereddie]

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

[ksrclaret]

Can anyone tell me why Wrongo is still at it on here?

He's already had a post removed on this thread today by way of it containing racist remarks. Something about murderous dictatorships and Chinese people. You'd think he'd have the decency to wind it in now.

[keith1879]

This article has a much wider application than Covid19 but seems very well worth reading.....and despite the fact that it is from the Guardian I think you would have to really struggle to find a political angle to discredit it. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... LE_xV5ccso

[RingoMcCartney]

CoRINGO Virus

Definition :

Never stops spreading it’s sh-ite

Evidence of tendency to attack ethnic minorities

Very likely to come back and repeat (again and again and again)

Everybody is sick to back teeth of it

Likely to be more than one variation of it

World will be a better place without it

More playing the man not the ball.

Let's look at what you previously said about those selfless people who disregarded their own lives and chose to save others by not following social distancing rules when building the Nightingale hospital.

No they have put other lives at risks - social distancing is not primarily about protecting yourself..it’s about limiting transmission and contacts.
I have not seen the video but if they have not been adhering to social distancing guidelines that is not heroic - it’s stupid.

You called them "stupid".

Nice.

[RingoMcCartney]

Can anyone tell me why Wrongo is still at it on here?

He's already had a post removed on this thread today by way of it containing racist remarks. Something about murderous dictatorships and Chinese people. You'd think he'd have the decency to wind it in now.

If some on here want to twist , when I refer to "The Chinese" , as meaning the Chinese People, rather than when I patently obviously meant the Chinese Government, and claim it to be "racist". Then it shows just how desperate some are to silence my opinion. Which let's be honest , has simply proven, when it comes to the ballot box, to be the opinion of the majority of the people in the UK.

The left claim to LOVE diversity.

They HATE diversity of opinion.

[TVC15]

More playing the man not the ball.

Let's look at what you previously said about those selfless people who disregarded their own lives and chose to save others by not following social distancing rules when building the Nightingale hospital.





You called them "stupid".

Nice.

Haha - and repeat....again and again
The construction workers (like many other construction workers who have been caught like this) were stupid if they were not social distancing.
But you can’t get your head around the fact they were still required to socially distance for this build - so as usual you try and take things out of context.
Your sick twisted little tactics are tiresome - nobody gives a f-uck about you anymore. You’re completely irrelevant on this board....and more than likely in your life.

Go away you sad little virus.

[RingoMcCartney]

It's clear that a handful of you are still convinced I've got various user names.

Your judging me by one of your very owns standards arent you Eddie!


This is Eddie boasting of registering on another teams message board and indulging in "Verbal Guerilla warfare!!!!!"

I did it a few years ago on a Bolton Wanderers boardOne account being the hostile, gleeful Burnley fan, the other a long-suffering Trotters fan with patience sadly running out.

what I was doing on the Trotters board. Both my accounts, successful in different ways, were brilliant wind-up jobs although the inevitable bans did make life a tad difficult at times

It was, to be fair, pretty interesting to see how you could manipulate others' thinking. Nothing "split personality" about that, chap, far from it - two uses of different persona. That's why I did it

i Was happy to spend time on the Bolton board engaged in guerilla verbal warfare

I ran one account as a legit BFC fan enjoying the er, banter with some of their lads. Occasionally it went too far and one lad, Mallorca Trotter, bless him, had my BFC fan account shut. No problem - new user name, tone it all down a bit and off we went. The other account, never questioned, was a ****-take from start to finish, posting stuff just to see how gullible some of those fools were

He's one of your own! He's one of your own "Verbal Guerilla warfare " hes one of your own!

[CombatClaret]

Can anyone tell me why Wrongo is still at it on here?

He's already had a post removed on this thread today by way of it containing racist remarks. Something about murderous dictatorships and Chinese people. You'd think he'd have the decency to wind it in now.

The more inept the government response becomes and the more evidence is revealed the wilder Wrong Quixote tilts at the windmills.

[RingoMcCartney]

Haha - and repeat....again and again
The construction workers (like many other construction workers who have been caught like this) were stupid if they were not social distancing.
But you can’t get your head around the fact they were still required to socially distance for this build - so as usual you try and take things out of context.
Your sick twisted little tactics are tiresome - nobody gives a f-uck about you anymore. You’re completely irrelevant on this board....and more than likely in your life.

Go away you sad little virus.

Foul and abusive language, personal insults I could go to the mods about this bullying . Let's call it what it is. But I won't. I'll simply remind others of your own rather crass comments about those that helped to "achieve the unachievable" when the built the Nightingale hospital in London.

No they have put other lives at risks - social distancing is not primarily about protecting yourself..it’s about limiting transmission and contacts.
I have not seen the video but if they have not been adhering to social distancing guidelines that is not heroic - it’s stupid.

[TVC15]

Foul and abusive language, personal insults I could go to the mods about this bullying . Let's call it what it is. But I won't. I'll simply remind others of your own rather crass comments about those that helped to "achieve the unachievable" when the built the Nightingale hospital in London.

Completely stand by what I said. Nothing crass about the comments at all - anybody who does not social distance when they have been told to is committing a stupid act. Does not mean they are stupid or that they have not done something heroic - just means they have done something stupid.

As for crass comments - you will be top of that list. Look at the number of times you have been banned for racist comments....including today.
Now we all know that’s little to do with you being stupid and everything to do with you being racist.

[TVC15]

And repeat

CoRINGO Virus

Definition :

Never stops spreading it’s sh-ite

Evidence of tendency to attack ethnic minorities

Very likely to come back and repeat (again and again and again)

Everybody is sick to back teeth of it

Likely to be more than one variation of it

World will be a better place without it

[mdd2]

https://youtu.be/TkU1ob_lHCw

Hope this works-a bit of light relief

[Devils_Advocate]

Apparently the Conservative backbench committee has come together for a meeting today. Twitter thread linked from Nicholas Watt (political editor for Newsnight) who has received off the record comments from some of those present at the meeting

High level summary is that they are ready to start really pushing for easing of the lockdown with grave concern for business if lockdown continues as is

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status ... 2066940928

[conyoviejo]

It will be at least the end of May before there is any chance of an easing of the lockdown.

[Zlatan]

It will be at least the end of May before there is any chance of an easing of the lockdown.

Brexit saw the end of May...


Ba dum tish...

[RingoMcCartney]

Completely stand by what I said. Nothing crass about the comments at all - anybody who does not social distance when they have been told to is committing a stupid act. Does not mean they are stupid or that they have not done something heroic - just means they have done something stupid.

As for crass comments - you will be top of that list. Look at the number of times you have been banned for racist comments....including today.
Now we all know that’s little to do with you being stupid and everything to do with you being racist.

If I've been "banned for racist comments including today" how am I able to make this post? If what you mean is there are a number of posters who want to silence opinions that are different to theirs. And they'll try and claim that when some says "the Chinese " obviously meaning the Chinese government/ the chinese communist party . But they want to portray that as me calling the Chinese People as a whole, then yes there are people willing to misrepresent it and make spurious claims of "racism"

I also notice that youre cutting and pasting your "virus joke" aimed at me on other threads now for laughs. Youre a bully arent you TVC15 . That's what bullys do. You did exactly the same the night Boris went into intensive care. There was a thread about it and most people were on that, saying despite his politics they hoped he'd pull through. However, you chose to latch onto the thread where I was discussing anti-Semitism with AndrewJB. Our chat had finished quite amicably hours before, but you, unable to express concern for the PM, decided to resurrect the thread where both I and Andrew, signed off from and, true to form, didn't counter or agree with the subject matter but made snidey personal comments about be. Others did exactly the same emboldening you further. But that's what bullys do isn't it TVC15, seek approval from the pack.

There's real anger in your posts towards me. Why simply because I happened to highlight your disrespectful remarks about those that had put themselves in harm's way, with little thought for their lives, but just acting on their , admirable, human impulse to want to help to save others.

You called them "stupid"

[dsr]

It will be at least the end of May before there is any chance of an easing of the lockdown.

I suspect not. We will be getting to the stage then when it's costing more lives than it saves, if we haven't got there already. (It depends to some extent on the value of a life spent doing nothing, going nowhere, staring at the walls. If that life is scarcely of value, then we will be in negative. Every time an old person dies in lockdown - and that's 6,000 a week in normal circumstances, so it will be more in lockdown - then it is a life wasted.)

[Elizabeth]

The reasons given for the lockdown were to slow the rate that the virus was spreading and to protect the NHS.
As things stand, with talk of the peak having been reached and reports that the 'new hospitals' are being under-used, why would there not be some relaxation?

I think the public would be entitled to ask that question

[TVC15]

If I've been "banned for racist comments including today" how am I able to make this post? If what you mean is there are a number of posters who want to silence opinions that are different to theirs. And they'll try and claim that when some says "the Chinese " obviously meaning the Chinese government/ the chinese communist party . But they want to portray that as me calling the Chinese People as a whole, then yes there are people willing to misrepresent it and make spurious claims of "racism"

I also notice that youre cutting and pasting your "virus joke" aimed at me on other threads now for laughs. Youre a bully arent you TVC15 . That's what bullys do. You did exactly the same the night Boris went into intensive care. There was a thread about it and most people were on that, saying despite his politics they hoped he'd pull through. However, you chose to latch onto the thread where I was discussing anti-Semitism with AndrewJB. Our chat had finished quite amicably hours before, but you, unable to express concern for the PM, decided to resurrect the thread where both I and Andrew, signed off from and, true to form, didn't counter or agree with the subject matter but made snidey personal comments about be. Others did exactly the same emboldening you further. But that's what bullys do isn't it TVC15, seek approval from the pack.

There's real anger in your posts towards me. Why simply because I happened to highlight your disrespectful remarks about those that had put themselves in harm's way, with little thought for their lives, but just acting on their , admirable, human impulse to want to help to save others.

You called them "stupid"

Aaaah bless - poor old Wrongo. Always blaming everyone else for picking on him....didums.
You are a racist - that’s why you have had posts removed and been banned previously....but yeh that must be people picking on you too.

I ain’t got a clue what you are talking about when Boris was ill - but i know for a fact that I never said one thing disrespectful about him....despite your pathetic attempt to try and make something out of nothing - like you always do.
Just like you are now by repeating your lies when you know full well I said that IF they were not social distancing as they had been instructed to then they had been stupid in not doing so. You really love going round in circles though don’t you. I have already said that I think that the act was stupid - IF indeed they had done it as someone in the thread was saying.

Now stop crying....and go away you sad little pathetic racist virus.

Stay safe...

[AndrewJB]

This article has a much wider application than Covid19 but seems very well worth reading.....and despite the fact that it is from the Guardian I think you would have to really struggle to find a political angle to discredit it. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... LE_xV5ccso

It’s a good article. If only politics could look at itself with the same critical faculties as science.

[RingoMcCartney]

Aaaah bless - poor old Wrongo. Always blaming everyone else for picking on him....didums.
You are a racist - that’s why you have had posts removed and been banned previously....but yeh that must be people picking on you too.

I ain’t got a clue what you are talking about when Boris was ill - but i know for a fact that I never said one thing disrespectful about him....despite your pathetic attempt to try and make something out of nothing - like you always do.
Just like you are now by repeating your lies when you know full well I said that IF they were not social distancing as they had been instructed to then they had been stupid in not doing so. You really love going round in circles though don’t you. I have already said that I think that the act was stupid - IF indeed they had done it as someone in the thread was saying.

Now stop crying....and go away you sad little pathetic racist virus.

Stay safe...

Show me a single example of racism in any of my posts. Go through every single one. You will not find a single genuine example.

Nobody's crying on my part TVCI5 I can assure you of that. You're the one displaying pent up anger in your posts

Each one you make just shows just how much you seem to resent that I happened to pick up on the clear lack of respect youd shown for those heroes that built the Nightingale hospitals. You're getting more and colourful with your increasingly aggressive language.

A frustrated bully , that I doubt very much would have quite as much courage If you had to say it to my face.

[evensteadiereddie]

As I've explained for what, probably five times now, I did indeed run two accounts on the Up the Trotters website, it was brilliant fun especially as the club at that time was imploding steadily. Adding to their misery was excellent. So why do you do it on here ?
I've never denied it and was rather proud of getting away with it. When they were relegated, I fessed up and only one of their lads admitted to having had any suspicions.

You do exactly the same on here, Ringo, and I'm not sure why. You reckon to be a Claret but, clearly, politics and your self-esteem seem to be more important. You have given the game away several times but blunder on, tediously, oblivious to the ridicule you invite.

Fair enough but remember when you start whining about bullying, being a victim, being silenced and so on, YOU are the one who picked up a ban.
What was it for again ?
Oh aye, making homophobic comments..................classy, huh ?

There's no need for every thread to descend into nonsense. Tony gave us the advice, please rein it in and stick to it.

Anyway, Ringo, don't take offence, I've no axe to grind, I'm just putting you straight.

Fwiw, I think the lad WOULD say it to your face. Why on earth wouldn't he ? Let's face it, your record of "hunting people down" is a bit feeble, is it not ?

That's all, I''ve done my bit and I hope you're OK with it.

Keep on topic, stay safe...

[ksrclaret]

If I've been "banned for racist comments including today" how am I able to make this post? If what you mean is there are a number of posters who want to silence opinions that are different to theirs. And they'll try and claim that when some says "the Chinese " obviously meaning the Chinese government/ the chinese communist party . But they want to portray that as me calling the Chinese People as a whole, then yes there are people willing to misrepresent it and make spurious claims of "racism"

Hi Wrongo,

If a poster has had posts removed, which you have today for racist remarks, you can be sure that it's because the post was indeed racist. It's insulting to the mods to suggest they are trying to silence you. They could only have looked at your comments through independent eyes and concluded they weren't acceptable. They are simply trying to make sure the integrity of this board is not brought down by the sorts of comments you made today.

Hope this clears things up for you Wrongo.

[TVC15]

Show me a single example of racism in any of my posts. Go through every single one. You will not find a single genuine example.

Nobody's crying on my part TVCI5 I can assure you of that. You're the one displaying pent up anger in your posts

Each one you make just shows just how much you seem to resent that I happened to pick up on the clear lack of respect youd shown for those heroes that built the Nightingale hospitals. You're getting more and colourful with your increasingly aggressive language.

A frustrated bully , that I doubt very much would have quite as much courage If you had to say it to my face.

Now you are denying you have had racist posts removed or been banned for racism - laughable.
Oh and I would happily say it to your pathetic racist face - for now from 2 metres though

You stay safe though eh Nick, Tommy, Enoch

[evensteadiereddie]

Infamy, infamy - they've got it in for me......

[RingoMcCartney]

Hi Wrongo,

If a poster has had posts removed, which you have today for racist remarks, you can be sure that it's because the post was indeed racist. It's insulting to the mods to suggest they are trying to silence you. They could only have looked at your comments through independent eyes and concluded they weren't acceptable. They are simply trying to make sure the integrity of this board is not brought down by the sorts of comments you made today.

Hope this clears things up for you Wrongo.

I didnt say " the mods to suggest they are trying to silence me" again misrepresenting my words. I said people like you want to silence me. To be fair to Tony he probably just wants what the rest of us want , which is as easy a life as is possible right now.

As I've said, you will try and claim that when ive said "the Chinese " obviously meaning the Chinese government/ the chinese communist party . You want to portray that as me calling the Chinese People as a whole, and make spurious claims of "racism"

Obviously cant speak for Tony, but if it were me I'd I'd probably think , I cant be bothered with this crap, and remove the "offensive" post to keep the peace.

[paulatky]

What’s happened to this thread ?

Turned into a political bickering thread without any useful updates or opinions about covid-19

[evensteadiereddie]

[ksrclaret]

What’s happened to this thread ?

Turned into a political bickering thread without any useful updates or opinions about vivid-19

Hi uptheclarets,

You're on the wrong thread if you want useful updates and opinions about vivid-19. It is some sort of make-up product?

[tim_noone]

What’s happened to this thread ?

Turned into a political bickering thread without any useful updates or opinions about vivid-19

I'm guessing you've lost some credibility in any discussions now......

[RingoMcCartney]

Now you are denying you have had racist posts removed or been banned for racism - laughable.
Oh and I would happily say it to your pathetic racist face - for now from 2 metres though

You stay safe though eh Nick, Tommy, Enoch

See above re my "racist " posts.

As for being brave to my face. I doubt it.

[TVC15]

See above re my "racist " posts.

As for being brave to my face. I doubt it.

Why would I need to be brave ?
I’d just say it to your face - gladly.
I really don’t give a sh-it whether you doubt it or not.

[RingoMcCartney]

Why would I need to be brave ?
I’d just say it to your face - gladly.
I really don’t give a sh-it whether you doubt it or not.

Good! Everybody's happy then!

Now going forward, if you dont want to engage in a discussion with me , fine. If you do, as long as it relevant and not simply playing the man not the ball I'll go along. If you just want to use foul and abusive language, and use direct personal abuse and derogatory remarks about me. Make no mistake I will now report you and whoever else does the same, to the moderators.


Crystal?

[evensteadiereddie]

A very wise bit of back-pedalling,, very wise indeed..............

[TVC15]

Good! Everybody's happy then!

Now going forward, if you dont want to engage in a discussion with me , fine. If you do, as long as it relevant and not simply playing the man not the ball I'll go along. If you just want to use foul and abusive language, and use direct personal abuse and derogatory remarks about me. Make no mistake I will now report you and whoever else does the same, to the moderators.


Crystal?

When you stop being racist (probably never) I’ll stop calling you a racist.
That’s the best I can do.
Hopefully one day I’ll get the chance to say it to your face as it will be especially pertinent

Crystal ?

[conyoviejo]

FFS get a room you two and sort it out ..lol