Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[claretspice]

Seems to me that transfer fees are rarely just as simply as "£ X". It's not like buying a house.

If different numbers are being pushed in different places, that is probably because they're using different points of reference - the base fee that is guaranteed, the total maximum fee taking in all potential add-ons, something in between that reflects performance triggers that either relate to individual performance (goals/appearances) vs team performance (promotion etc, - less directly influenced by the player).

It would be no surprise to learn that our approach this year has been to do deals based on lower committed fees and lots of conditional add-ons. That would help explain Kompany's comment that we've actually spent a lot less than the reported numbers. It might also be why the Metz asking price is being quoted as 4.2m, 7m and 10m. It might well be that we'd be willing to pay a headline fee of £4.2m, but want less to be guaranteed.

No question that as the summer wears on, the reality of our financial position and the reality of life under ALK and the debt appears to becoming into sharper focus. There's a week to go so no need to be too alarmed yet, but the rhetoric and the ambition is not matching reality yet. Whether that's because we got less money through the door for our sales and Kompany hasn't entirely adjusted his targets accordingly yet, remains to be seen.

[aggi]

I think we have to factor in that IF we get promoted a fair number of the current players may not be required in the PL and will be surplus to retirements. If we've paid big fees and they're on really high wages, there may be a problem moving them on to make space for the necessary upgrades in quality.

Why do you think this? I'd have thought that the intention was that the majority would be kept. They will have had a season playing as required and, if we do get promoted, were obviously successful at it.

There will obviously be a few that would be surplus to requirements but that's the same for any promoted team. I'd imagine that the main transfer activity would be replacing the loanees and a few like Cork and Rodriguez who are getting to the end of the career. I can't see us doing a second rebuild.

[KlyBfc]

Arise Sir Charge is right

We all know by now that we have a big debt to pay off, and that will affect our transfer policy

We've raised a lot, spent a small amount of that, and have a small amount left over to fill two or three positions

If Metz want more than we can afford, then we have to move on, and its pointless going back to the sale and all the stuff associated with that because we all agree that it was sub optimal for Burnley football club (though the complete lack of alternatives made it the only way we could go)

Absolutely this.

It’s time we moved on. What’s done is done. I wanted Garlick out because I felt he was no longer putting the required money in and had fallen out with Dyche. I didn’t however want what we got with Pace - debt. However it’s nearly 2 years ago now. We have what we have and we need to survive and wheel and deal within our new parameters.

Risking money on an unknown that stretches us is a risk they may feel is not worth taking. So move on to another target be it a purchase or a loan.

[ClaretPete001]

The reality is that only Cullen of the current crop of purchases looks like a consistent performer at this level on current form. Maatsen and THB are on loan and Of the other key players Jay Rod and Cork are 33.

Of those who are on the optimistic scale RV himself has said from the off that a pacy striker is required and more recently we need 2 more quality signings: he’s not wrong.

A year in mid table is neither use nor ornament because at the end of this year we are likely to lose 2 of the better players and 2 have key players into their mid 30s. And we lose another £30 million in PL broadcast revenue.

It’s not a time for making excuses or justifying Garlick or ALK. The investment is required now and we should have the funds to pay 4 million for a striker.

[forzagranata]

Now the one thing that upsets me is why people keep calling it EUROS is not its Euro and cent , you lads from the UK tut tut .

In the English speaking world the plural of euro is euros.

[Tribesmen]

In the English speaking world the plural of euro is euros.

Not in the euro zone baby , as the rules come from Brussels .

[WestMidsClaret]

I swear Newcastleclaret93 and KRBFC are the same person

So obvious isn't it

[ClaretPete001]

Why do you think this? I'd have thought that the intention was that the majority would be kept. They will have had a season playing as required and, if we do get promoted, were obviously successful at it.

There will obviously be a few that would be surplus to requirements but that's the same for any promoted team. I'd imagine that the main transfer activity would be replacing the loanees and a few like Cork and Rodriguez who are getting to the end of the career. I can't see us doing a second rebuild.

I don’t see Cork, Rodriguez or Barnes lasting another season. As I say above THB and Maatsen are on loan and to be honest Cullen aside none of the other new signings look Pl quality.

There maybe dramatic improvements as we progress but at this point I see little chance of Jay Rod or Cork laying 46 games and we’ve already seen the problems when one or the other does not play.

This rebuild is far from complete.

[Venkys4eva]

Whats the latest? Cant be arsed reading through all the financial posts on the transfer only thread

[Steddyman]

Whats the latest? Cant be arsed reading through all the financial posts on the transfer only thread

No new rumours. We aren't prepared to pay what Metz want for their striker. Nobody REALLY knows how much they want. Moving onto other targets.

[claretandy]

Another winger

https://twitter.com/sachatavolieri/stat ... xs-Qw&s=19

[agreenwood]

There is always lots we don't know about transfer deals - that is a given.

But the info that we know is out there is - a credible journalist reported we had offered 2.5 million euros but that Metz want double that.

Our manager said last night: "It is a difficult one, there are some players that are out of our range financially.

“For us it is a player who is probably out of our range.”

It doesn't seem unreasonable for people to suggest therefore that we aren't willing to pay the 5 million euros for this particular player.

The journalist in question actually said “more than double”, which would mean it’s not €5m, if we offered €2.5m.

If we’re going to use journalist quotes to bash the board, let’s at least use them accurately.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Anass Zaroury, Belgian U21 international of Sporting #Charleroi close to join #BurnleyFC ! Talks ongoing & advanced between #RCSC and #Burnley. #Zaroury wants to play in England ! More information to follow.

Sacha tavioulo

[jedi_master]

Another winger

https://twitter.com/sachatavolieri/stat ... xs-Qw&s=19

Very trustworthy source as we have seen already this summer, and the tweet gives thoughts that this is going to happen/progressing.

Utterly bizarre! Clearly a prospect (regular for Belgium U-21's and a lot of games for his age), but where are they all going to play? Churlinov, Benson, JBG, Zaroury, Tella etc - perhaps it's a case of three of those behind one striker but none of them are number ten's by trade in the same way that O'Hare was. One can only assume that Kompany believes they are capable of playing in that role.

I am starting to think Kompany wants the option to make all 5 subs in games as a sort of 'one up' on most of this league with no discernible loss in the quality on the pitch in the same way Klopp and Pep do in the PL perhaps?

[RVclaret]

So far this season he has played only as a centre forward and attacking midfielder according to transfermarkt.

2 goals in 5 appearances.

[ClaretAndJew]

We are certainly sowing our seeds to harvest in 2-3 years time, aren't we?

Success will be measured two ways.

A return to the Premier League and/or a huge return on our relatively modest incomings.

This is the model Pace wanted, this appears a good strategy, but time will tell.

[Denno97]

So far this season he has played only as a centre forward and attacking midfielder according to transfermarkt.

2 goals in 5 appearances.

Looks like he started out as a winger but now plays up front. Guessing a similar style to the Georgian

[AGENT_CLARET]

With another winger apparently linked Kompany must be looking at this formation

...........Keeper

........CB CB CB

RW....................LW

RW....................LW

RW....................LW

.............ATT

Would be different

[GodIsADeeJay81]

With another winger apparently linked Kompany must be looking at this formation

...........Keeper

........CB CB CB

RW....................LW

RW....................LW

RW....................LW

.............ATT

Would be different

They do say the best form of defence is attack

[JR1882]

Whats the latest? Cant be arsed reading through all the financial posts on the transfer only thread

Apparently we owe some people money, so we sold some players, signed some cheaper ones, and here we are.

That’s pretty much 170 pages.

[AfloatinClaret]

Newcastle on this thread is a bit like Burnley’s use of the ball so far this season. He occupies about 70% of it without being particularly interesting and at times can be frustrating.

To be fair, he and KRBFC have played some very nice one-twos back and forth between them.

I swear Newcastleclaret93 and KRBFC are the same person

That can't be true; it'd mean that he/they were playing with themselves.

[RVclaret]

Looks like he started out as a winger but now plays up front. Guessing a similar style to the Georgian

Yes last season he played all across the front.

Kompany recently said he’s looking for that flexibility.

[forzagranata]

The journalist in question actually said “more than double”, which would mean it’s not €5m, if we offered €2.5m.

If we’re going to use journalist quotes to bash the board, let’s at least use them accurately.

Ah yes, I see his follow up tweet now. I stand corrected.

But, come on, its not about 'bashing the board'. Do we have to go into the usual social media binary of Leavers v Remainers, Republican v Democrat, Woke v Gammon and go into 'Pacebots v Board Bashers'?

Is it really not possible to have a rational, critical view of events without being a 'basher'?

[agreenwood]

Ah yes, I see his follow up tweet now. I stand corrected.

But, come on, its not about 'bashing the board'. Do we have to go into the usual social media binary of Leavers v Remainers, Republican v Democrat, Woke v Gammon and go into 'Pacebots v Board Bashers'?

Is it really not possible to have a rational, critical view of events without being a 'basher'?

Of course it is, but posters on here and social media are referring to a mythical €5m/£4.2m fee and bemoaning the clubs unwillingness to pay it.

[whiffa]

I have a lot of optimism that Twine will be a very good player for us. Seems to get forgotten in discussions but when he's back fit; I can see him giving us that goal threat.

[forzagranata]

We aren't willing to pay more than double 2.5 million euros.

So we aren't willing to pay somewhere in the region of 4.5 to 6 million pounds for this striker that presumably VK had identified.

Its useful to know and I am glad that VK is so transparent.

[Mala591]

Anass Zaroury

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/anass-z ... rainer_id=

[ksrclaret]

Is it really not possible to have a rational, critical view of events without being a 'basher'?

“Muric is a sh1t version of Ederson and we’re stuck with him”

Rational

[Zlatan]

I have a lot of optimism that Twine will be a very good player for us. Seems to get forgotten in discussions but when he's back fit; I can see him giving us that goal threat.

Is Twine the new JBG…?

Asking for a physio friend…

[Murger]

VKs fetish for wingers is quite worrisome.

[Devils_Advocate]

Can't keep up with the thread so apologies if this has been discussed but is their a view of how much cash VK has left to spend on players and how much of the cash from player sales is being used to service our debt?

Thanks in advance

[KefkaClaret]

Another winger?

[Kevwando]

Another winger?

Belgium u21 list him as a striker

[RVclaret]

Just to repeat, Zaroury has mainly played as a striker / centre forward but can also operate on the wing.

In other news, Diaz is off to Everton according to Nixon

[Chuckypad]

Just to repeat, Zaroury has mainly played as a striker / centre forward but can also operate on the wing.

In other news, Diaz is off to Everton according to Nixon

Luis or Ruben?

Don't know how they get away with FFP

[claretspice]

I know nothing whatsoever about this lad, except to say that he's been a reasonable regular for Charleroi, who finished a fairly creditable 7th last season - can't be said that the kid had a spectacular goalscoring record but there's lots of possible reasons for that.

What I would say is that the theme that runs through virtually every striker we've been linked with is that they are not target men. They are generally strikers who would play off a target man in the sort of system we've been used to at Burnley. It does look very much as though Barnes and Jay will be our principle "target men" options once the window has closed, and whilst finances are clearly an issue generally, that much appears to be Kompany's choice. One observation I'd certainly make is that at times in the games I've seen it's been abundantly obvious that we'd benefit more from having someone running the channels and behind to give us an outball, than from having a big fella to knock it into - and at times Rodriguez (and perhaps even more so Barnes) would benefit from having someone running off them to create space and provide options.

Is this a good thing or bad? Time will tell. One thing I think it does need is reinforce the need for more height at the back because otherwise we will be a very small, and bullyable, team, particularly at set plays.

[Devils_Advocate]

Its also possible that VK might not want to use a target man and rather have a number 10 style striker up top who can receive the ball and help bring the other attacking midfielders into goal scoring positions hence VKs comment about sharing the goals out.

[creepingdeath]

Scores first goal in this after a one two and also has a long range strike tipped over before being subbed

https://youtu.be/SyvRzTpYvH4

[Hedontplayforyou]

Isak about to sign for Newcastle, you’d have thought Chris Wood is now surplus to requirements there already, unless he’s kept as third choice .

He may get a loan move somehwere before the window is out

[bobinho]

Hopefully it won’t be here.

In fact, I’m SURE it won’t be here.

[Hedontplayforyou]

He would score 20+ here no matter what he said when he left

[aggi]

I don’t see Cork, Rodriguez or Barnes lasting another season. As I say above THB and Maatsen are on loan and to be honest Cullen aside none of the other new signings look Pl quality.

There maybe dramatic improvements as we progress but at this point I see little chance of Jay Rod or Cork laying 46 games and we’ve already seen the problems when one or the other does not play.

This rebuild is far from complete.

I'd agree that at the moment they don't look PL quality but this is in the event of promotion so you'd expect them to be playing much better if that happened.

[Gordaleman]

As someone said to me recently, we are beginning to look like the United Nations. Maybe they should move the HQ from New York to Burnley?

Exciting times at Turf Moor and I think we can all see that things are starting to come together. Pretty soon, some team is going to get a right hiding. Hope it starts at Wigan.

[dsr]

Not in the euro zone baby , as the rules come from Brussels .

Bruxelles, surely.

[Vegas Claret]

Pope 40m
Collins 40m

Said we were after a player that signed for a new team the day before.

I like the guy he’s usually very good but he’s had some mares this summer

just a reminder that Kompany said all the fees that have been quoted in the press have been way out. Nixon, Sacha and Romano are extremely reliable though in terms of names

[Conroy92]

He would score 20+ here no matter what he said when he left

I think he'd be extremely poor in the new system. We are after a striker to link the play and bring the midfielders forward. That's not Wood.
If it's target man your after both Rodriguez and Barnes are better equipped to play that way.
Without us crossing any balls into the box or punting them forwards Wood would be an absolute passenger.

Personally I believe one of the reasons Wood was successful for us was that we shaped the team around him, I also believe it stifled the goals elsewhere.

[Conroysleftfoot]

As someone said to me recently, we are beginning to look like the United Nations. Maybe they should move the HQ from New York to Burnley?

Exciting times at Turf Moor and I think we can all see that things are starting to come together. Pretty soon, some team is going to get a right hiding. Hope it starts at Wigan.

I did hope that Blackpool were going to get the hiding.

[Vegas Claret]

Apparently Boubakar Kouyate is refusing to play at Metz to force a move. Metz were asking 10m for him but we reportedly offered 2.5m and were supposedly going back with an offer of 5m plus a sell on clause. Nothing has happened in a while but the player hasn't featured since and it could be that he and his agent are trying to force the club to listen to offers before the window closes.

Nixon said a while ago there is a lot of competition for his signature from teams all across Europe

[Zlatan]

I did hope that Blackpool were going to get the hiding.

They did for 10 minutes…

[Vegas Claret]

Isak about to sign for Newcastle, you’d have thought Chris Wood is now surplus to requirements there already, unless he’s kept as third choice .

He may get a loan move somehwere before the window is out

Isaak is a top signing for Newcastle