Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Lancasterclaret]

There could well be something in the Anass Zaroury rumour because he matches other attacking buys in that he flatters to deceive!...

He looks like yet another player who looks exciting up until the final delivery or strike!... If you watch his clips, apart from the odd goal, very little comes from his attacks...

The good thing is that these signings are all young so have room to improve and grow with the system but we need to be prepared for some frustration which going off our last match I'm not sure we have the patience for.

Then we need to learn to be patient

I'm 100% sure that the same people who moaned when we struggled under SD will be the same who are moaning now

[wilks_bfc]

What is a Diablotin?

It’s “Devil”
Nickname for the Belgium team is “Red devils”

[Newcastleclaret93]

Then we need to learn to be patient

I'm 100% sure that the same people who moaned when we struggled under SD will be the same who are moaning now

People keep saying this but how long do we give? 1 year? 2?

What are you expecting that we have to be patient for? I can only assume your referring to a promotion push

[agreenwood]

Do not feed the resident troll.

[jedi_master]

People keep saying this but how long do we give? 1 year? 2?

What are you expecting that we have to be patient for? I can only assume your referring to a promotion push

More patient than 5 games I’d suggest. We have 41 left.

If we’re bobbling around in 15th at Christmas, that won’t be acceptable to anyone though - regardless of VK trying to downplay promotion aspirations. We have spent a lot more money than anyone else, regardless of outgoings. They need time, not judgment, at this very early stage though.

I will say the loan is what was my biggest concern upon relegation - the news we have paid off £32.4m of it this summer is excellent. Long term viability is crucial above a quick attempt (and possible failure) at getting back up. Whatever the thoughts on our takeover (I think mine are clear), the club has clearly sought to nail that issue this summer above ‘chasing the dream’, and VK has bought into that. I think to some extent we all have to do the same.

[Newcastleclaret93]

More patient than 5 games I’d suggest. We have 41 left.

If we’re bobbling around in 15th at Christmas, that won’t be acceptable to anyone though - regardless of VK trying to downplay promotion aspirations. We have spent a lot more money than anyone else, regardless of outgoings. They need time, not judgment, at this very early stage though.

I will say the loan is what was my biggest concern upon relegation - the news we have paid off £32.4m of it this summer is excellent. Long term viability is crucial above a quick attempt (and possible failure) at getting back up. Whatever the thoughts on our takeover (I think mine are clear), the club has clearly sought to nail that issue this summer above ‘chasing the dream’, and VK has bought into that. I think to some extent we all have to do the same.

I agree paying down the loan is truly excellent news as that is what could hamper us long term. Especially in the championship. Personally I think it’s the best news all summer.

Yes I more just want to understand the term be patient that everyone keeps flinging around. How patient? How long? It just seems very open ended.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I just think of all the players on the books he’s the most likely to go out on loan.

Surely we aren’t going to keep the following players on the books:

Azoury
Twine
Churlinov
Benson
Gudmundsson
Brownhill
Bastien
Vitinho
Tella
Costelloe

That’s ten players currently for 3 starting positions

Can’t rely on JBG unfortunately and he will be off at the end of the season if not before. Brownhill is a central midfielder as is Bastien , who will chop and change for different opponents/phases of games/game management . Vitinho is a full back who I doubt we will see in an attacking role for much longer. And Costelloe would not have featured if we already had a squad.

Tella
Twine
Churlinov
Benson
Azoury

Becomes 5 for the wide berths/no.10
You can throw Brownhill in there to make 6 , given that VK said he wanted 2 players per position then it does make sense.

You simply cannot rely on JBG , it would be foolish to chance it. I think having him around the young lads will benefit them to settle in etc, but wouldn’t be overly surprised to see him leave

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I agree paying down the loan is truly excellent news as that is what could hamper us long term. Especially in the championship. Personally I think it’s the best news all summer.

Yes I more just want to understand the term be patient that everyone keeps flinging around. How patient? How long? It just seems very open ended.

How quickly are you expecting things to click?
New manager, style of play, players etc...

If you've zero patience, then you'll never be happy with any progress...

Oh wait

[Newcastleclaret93]

How quickly are you expecting things to click?
New manager, style of play, players etc...

If you've zero patience, then you'll never be happy with any progress...

Oh wait

I haven’t got zero patience. I am asking how patient should I be when everyone keeps saying that?

1 year? 2?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I haven’t got zero patience. I am asking how patient should I be when everyone keeps saying that?

1 year? 2?

How long do you think it will take?

Promotion isn't the be all for this season, that's been made clear, because it gives the manager time to get his ideas across.

You won't be happy unless we get promoted I suspect, playing in a style that you like etc.

[MDWat]

It’s fair to start casting judgment after about half a season, I think.

You can’t say either way whether we have signed appropriate quality because we haven’t seen anywhere near enough. At the same time, it’s reasonable to cast an early judgment.

Muric, THB, Maatsen, Cullen, Tella have shown early promising signs.

Benson has looked a touch worrying given how quickly he was kicked out of the game, but often a short amount of time out of a side can benefit a player like that.

However, there are 13 new players, a new manager with a new style. It isn’t going to click overnight. I think we’re one short at centre back and one short up front. I’m not naive enough to think we’re going to stick £10m down for a player, but 2x £5m players in that position might be gettable.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Leave him to be his usual trolling self

He wrote collins off after 1 game last season then back tracked. Luckily the game isn’t available to watch on tv today so some of you may be spared his nonsense until he’s watched 1minute highlights later.

He has given the club 5 games it’s only right he starts his drivel.

[AGENT_CLARET]

I haven’t got zero patience. I am asking how patient should I be when everyone keeps saying that?

1 year? 2?

For me personally given we have a new manager, coaching team, new squad of at least 12/14 players, new formation and a new style of play I'd written off this season as a transition season and would like us to finish around mid table, the real test of all this hard work the club are doing is where we finish in the league next season, I'd expect us to hit the playoffs minimum.

[Newcastleclaret93]

How long do you think it will take?

Promotion isn't the be all for this season, that's been made clear, because it gives the manager time to get his ideas across.

You won't be happy unless we get promoted I suspect, playing in a style that you like etc.

I have no idea, I think realistically promotion has got to be achieved this season. It will just get harder each year we stay down, Due to the various financial reasons.

Just trying to get a bit of clarity from people that are saying be patient. I take it from your post you think promotion is realistic next season and that’s how patient we should be?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Leave him to be his usual trolling self

He wrote collins off after 1 game last season then back tracked. Luckily the game isn’t available to watch on tv today so some of you may be spared his nonsense until he’s watched 1minute highlights later.

He has given the club 5 games it’s only right he starts his drivel.

Come on be civil. I am asking a fairly reasonable question. I haven’t written any body off just want to know realistically how patient are we talking here?

[Newcastleclaret93]

For me personally given we have a new manager, coaching team, new squad of at least 12/14 players, new formation and a new style of play I'd written off this season as a transition season and would like us to finish around mid table, the real test of all this hard work the club are doing is where we finish in the league next season, I'd expect us to hit the playoffs minimum.

Fair enough, I can understand that viewpoint. Now if your telling people to be patient i at least understand what your referring to.

[BurnleyFC]

I still think promotion has to be the objective this season, regardless of the noises coming out of the club.

There’s a reason we made Kompany the highest paid manager in the league on nearly £3m a year.

[taio]

I haven’t got zero patience. I am asking how patient should I be when everyone keeps saying that?

1 year? 2?

In my mind we need to be promoted this season or next. In so far as the current management team and squad, we need to be patient for a chunk of this season for what should be very obvious reasons.

[jedi_master]

Promotion is always the aim of the game, certainly within two seasons due to how much we’ve spent.

The other big concern of course is that if we’re successful without actually getting up, Kompany will get admiring glances from elsewhere on account of his name. That also adds an element of risk when he’s been crucial in bringing all these players in. It’s highly unlikely we’ll have another ten year ‘dynasty’ like under Dyche.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I have no idea, I think realistically promotion has got to be achieved this season. It will just get harder each year we stay down, Due to the various financial reasons.

Just trying to get a bit of clarity from people that are saying be patient. I take it from your post you think promotion is realistic next season and that’s how patient we should be?

The club are prepared to miss out on promotion this season though, they're showing patience and they have all the financial numbers to hand.

If the club goes up this season, then great.
If they don't, but can mount a serious challenge, then great
If we finish outside the top 6 but in the top 10, I'd be concerned but it would also depend on how we've performed over a season
Outside top 10 then I'd have questions.

You appear to lack any sort of realism or patience, hence why you're now stating how unimpressed you are with everything after a mere 5 games, which to everyone else will just look odd.

[Newcastleclaret93]

The club are prepared to miss out on promotion this season though, they're showing patience and they have all the financial numbers to hand.

If the club goes up this season, then great.
If they don't, but can mount a serious challenge, then great
If we finish outside the top 6 but in the top 10, I'd be concerned but it would also depend on how we've performed over a season
Outside top 10 then I'd have questions.

You appear to lack any sort of realism or patience, hence why you're now stating how unimpressed you are with everything after a mere 5 games, which to everyone else will just look odd.

I’ve been unimpressed with a number of our permanent signings but it’s also early days. Got to hope they will get better.

Interesting, your viewpoint on league finishes is something I haven’t comprehended.

[Newcastleclaret93]

In my mind we need to be promoted this season or next. In so far as the current management team and squad, we need to be patient for a chunk of this season for what should be very obvious reasons.

That’s a fair point

[Cleveleys_claret]

As brilliant as the Prem is and the money it gives us, does anyone think that this team would be anything but cannon fodder without the loan signings we have. That is coming from someone who is excited by all the changes happening with the squad, but also a complete realist

[BigChaCha]

I am personally happy to wait 2 seasons if it takes that but it's a bit of a catch22 situation if we do reasonably well but don't go up this season as we will likely lose our best players in Brownhill and Cullen and we would also be extremely unlikely to sign any of the loans on permanent deals so we would be almost starting from scratch again!

[123EasyasBFC]

Can’t believe someone on on this thread last night was actually suggesting benson will go out on loan purely because he’s had a couple of off games hahaha one of the worst takes possible

[Big Vinny K]

I still think promotion has to be the objective this season, regardless of the noises coming out of the club.

There’s a reason we made Kompany the highest paid manager in the league on nearly £3m a year.

There is a reason you are correct - but I doubt very much it’s the reason you guessed.
Personally I think he is here to try and lay the foundations for a rebuild of the club and that could well take 2 or 3 years.
This season a top 10 finish and the bedding in of a new style of football and completely new set of players will be a positive first year.
Next season play off minimum and more consistency in turning possession and attractive football into more wins, goals and better game management.
Year 3 hopefully back in Premier League but if not probably the season that someone with the high standards of VK will start to judge himself if we do not go up.

We have as our manager an incredible individual who has operated at the highest levels in world class football. That’s not I realise a free pass to being a successful manager but when you throw in the intelligence and determination attributes of VK the very last thing I think we should be doing as a club is putting any pressure on him.

I still find it pretty amazing that we attracted a person of his calibre to a club like Burnley.

[RVclaret]

Can’t believe someone on on this thread last night was actually suggesting benson will go out on loan purely because he’s had a couple of off games hahaha one of the worst takes possible

Mental isn’t it.

[louieollie]

I agree paying down the loan is truly excellent news as that is what could hamper us long term. Especially in the championship. Personally I think it’s the best news all summer.

Yes I more just want to understand the term be patient that everyone keeps flinging around. How patient? How long? It just seems very open ended.

How on earth can you or anyone set a specific time/date on how long YOU need to be patient 🫣......it's an individual's decision but it's most certainly more than 5 games for myself if that helps you get a guide on how long you should wait.

How about you set yourself a realistic time frame and relax until that time comes around, watch and enjoy the growth of the team and see if VK's ideas are working.

I think patience comes with age so maybe I have the advantage on you I honestly don't know but just go with the flow fella.

[fatboy47]

I'm a bit baffled by the general idea that promotion at the first attempt is no real biggie.

Imo, its massive, and if not achieved each subsequent attempt becomes more and more difficult..as the saleable assets vanish along with the parachute payments, and were left with a fairly big unpaid debt and no sugar daddy to fund any future promotion push.

[boatshed bill]

I'm a bit baffled by the general idea that promotion at the first attempt is no real biggie.

Imo, its massive, and if not achieved each subsequent attempt becomes more and more difficult..as the saleable assets vanish along with the parachute payments, and were left with a fairly big unpaid debt and no sugar daddy to fund any future promotion push.

Not sure you're right here.
Coyle managed it , put together a promotion winning team from nowhere.

[arise_sir_charge]

I keep reading folk saying that our best signings so far all seem to the the loan ones……fair comment as things stand but it should also be noted they’ve all come from English clubs having been schooled in English academies and having played English league football.

The foreign signings need to be allowed a lot longer to settle and get a feel for it. Better to judge their respective merits and potential in 20 games time.

[Big Vinny K]

I'm a bit baffled by the general idea that promotion at the first attempt is no real biggie.

Imo, its massive, and if not achieved each subsequent attempt becomes more and more difficult..as the saleable assets vanish along with the parachute payments, and were left with a fairly big unpaid debt and no sugar daddy to fund any future promotion push.

You have just described what has already happened !!

As per recent update we have now paid off another chunk of our debt.

Year 2 after relegation I don’t think there is much change in the parachute payments from year 1. I thought the big drop off happened in year 3 ? (I might be wrong but that’s how it used to be).

So I don’t really see much difference in second season than first for us financially - and the big difference for VK is that he is given a reasonable amount of time, multiple transfer windows and some patience to make and learn from a few mistakes.
Lets please not end up like Watford and other basket case clubs in the way they treat their managers

[randomclaret2]

You have just described what has already happened !!

As per recent update we have now paid off another chunk of our debt.

Year 2 after relegation I don’t think there is much change in the parachute payments from year 1. I thought the big drop off happened in year 3 ? (I might be wrong but that’s how it used to be).

So I don’t really see much difference in second season than first for us financially - and the big difference for VK is that he is given a reasonable amount of time, multiple transfer windows and some patience to make and learn from a few mistakes.
Lets please not end up like Watford and other basket case clubs in the way they treat their managers

The parachute payments are ( very roughly ) £45m year 1, £35m year 2, and £15m year 3.

[Steddyman]

*sigh* same old same old. Another page filled with the same people arguing about the same things. Why not go the pub and have this argument and leave this thread to transfer rumours?

[Tricky Trevor]

Come on be civil. I am asking a fairly reasonable question. I haven’t written any body off just want to know realistically how patient are we talking here?

That is a question for a new thread, not this one.

[jackmiggins]

Must agree - it’s so tedious scrolling through these ridiculous theories from experts in their own lunchtimes

[It Is What It Is]

All this talk of Promotion ifs ands & buts is not for this thread .
There are 23 other teams competing as well, it is not a given.
Now...can we get back to transfers with no ££

[gandhisflipflop]

Must agree - it’s so tedious scrolling through these ridiculous theories from experts in their own lunchtimes

It’s very kind to presume some have jobs

[MrTechno]

I have no idea, I think realistically promotion has got to be achieved this season. It will just get harder each year we stay down, Due to the various financial reasons.

Just trying to get a bit of clarity from people that are saying be patient. I take it from your post you think promotion is realistic next season and that’s how patient we should be?

I was initially thinking that we’d have an idea about how we will operate at the end of September but think it’ll take longer given that new signings seem to becoming weekly. Not sure you can write any of the signings off so far, people were slagging tella off after Watford. Even the much derided benson has been patchy and decent in patches, which was always going to happen with some of the signings. IMO all have shown potential. As MD says if we’re lower table by Christmas, then it’s not good enough but a win today and we’re 3 points off top, no matter what the other results. We’ve been the better side in most if not all games so far. Try and enjoy it a bit more pal, when have you seen us dominate the ball like this before? Some of the passing, moves and goals have been a joy to behold.

I watched the game last night and I really don’t think we have anything to fear in this division. We’re probably a bit vulnerable from set plays, from the biggest sides but if we get a CB or McNally comes good then hopefully we’ll look stronger. If/when we fully click we’ll be a force. Anyway here’s hoping for our first 3 points at Wigan. Hope you enjoy the game

[BurnleyFC]

There is a reason you are correct - but I doubt very much it’s the reason you guessed.
Personally I think he is here to try and lay the foundations for a rebuild of the club and that could well take 2 or 3 years.
This season a top 10 finish and the bedding in of a new style of football and completely new set of players will be a positive first year.
Next season play off minimum and more consistency in turning possession and attractive football into more wins, goals and better game management.
Year 3 hopefully back in Premier League but if not probably the season that someone with the high standards of VK will start to judge himself if we do not go up.

We have as our manager an incredible individual who has operated at the highest levels in world class football. That’s not I realise a free pass to being a successful manager but when you throw in the intelligence and determination attributes of VK the very last thing I think we should be doing as a club is putting any pressure on him.

I still find it pretty amazing that we attracted a person of his calibre to a club like Burnley.

In theory this is correct, but the reality is that if we flirt around the lower half of the table this season then VK’s job will probably be under threat, and if we mount a good promotion challenge but ultimately fail then he’ll be on the radar for Premier League clubs.

As much as the club and even VK want this to be a long term project, it very rarely ends up being so because of one reason or another.

[Lancasterclaret]

People keep saying this but how long do we give? 1 year? 2?

What are you expecting that we have to be patient for? I can only assume your referring to a promotion push

You moan after one game regardless

Couple of seasons I reckon

[DCWat]

In theory this is correct, but the reality is that if we flirt around the lower half of the table this season then VK’s job will probably be under threat, and if we mount a good promotion challenge but ultimately fail then he’ll be on the radar for Premier League clubs.

As much as the club and even VK want this to be a long term project, it very rarely ends up being so because of one reason or another.

When ninety plus percent of the squad cite Kompany as the reason for joining, him being moved on could have a huge impact.

From the outside, we look quite reliant on a good proportion of the new signings hitting it off. Be that from the perspective of a promotion challenge over the this / next season or from being able to turn a profit and further refreshing the squad to improve promotion chances.

If promotion doesn’t look likely, this season or next and the values of some of the players aren’t turning decent profits, I do fear for what may follow.

[KRBFC]

Junior Mwanga signed his first professional deal with Bordeaux just three weeks ago. The expectation was that he'd spend the season playing in D2. He's currently serving a ban for a red card he received on Saturday. A few sites are quoting that we're interested in him.

Bordeaux are in d3 I thought

[ElectroClaret]

Archer deal still a possibility, according to R/lancs, just been discussing it with Little and Weller.

[IanMcL]

If only that had had any transfer rumours in it, and hadn't had any financial discussion in it, it would have been perfect for this thread.

It started by saying Kompany could be gathered by reduced transfer budget!

[Culmclaret]

It’s such a shame that our dealings in the market have been so second rate. If we’d had a good window imagine how many we would have got at Wigan

[jedi_master]

Archer deal still a possibility, according to R/lancs, just been discussing it with Little and Weller.

Clinch that and get a centre back and I’ll be getting excited.

[Tricky Trevor]

Might be of interest to some, Florist have enquired about Michael Keane. Out of our price range but, as we know, a far better player than he’s showing in that Madhouse.

[Mattster]

I'm not really enthused by Tella, not entirely sure what he offers.

Looking at his underlying stats the only thing he's good at is pressing/defending. His main source of goal/shot creating actions are winning fouls but that's pretty much entirely down to the fact that Southampton have Ward-Prowse on setpieces.

Very happy to be proved wrong! Keep it coming, Nath.

[JohnDearyMe]

Clinch that and get a centre back and I’ll be getting excited.

With you there. Need a better option off the bench up front as a minimum