Gina Miller [Brexit]

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:00 am

So she's a lying ***** making up academic qualifications, and having loads of negative nasty stuff written about her..

Is it true...? I have no idea.

I know this though..I am sick to death of seeing her face and hearing her 'noise' in the last 6 months or so - make your own mind up...and not just based on what the Daily Mail says.

- those photographs though..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... iller.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:01 am

What a terrible article. You can almost taste the hatred. None of this has anything to do with the fact that she was completely right to bring this legal challenge.

But as a piece of journalism itself it is shockingly bad in how it uses the tactic of "some are saying..." to spread the rumours they themselves have likely made up. Not once was it able to quote a critic of her.

"Her critics, though, see a ..."
"Some also question her track record ..."
"Critics, though, say"

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"But as the self-proclaimed poster girl for Remain..."
Where has she proclaimed this? I can't find a single example of her saying she's a poster girl for Remain, but i'm open to being corrected.

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It's articles like this that demonstrate why the likes of the Daily Mail are a cancer in our free press.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:39 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:What a terrible article. You can almost taste the hatred. None of this has anything to do with the fact that she was completely right to bring this legal challenge.

But as a piece of journalism itself it is shockingly bad in how it uses the tactic of "some are saying..." to spread the rumours they themselves have likely made up. Not once was it able to quote a critic of her.

"Her critics, though, see a ..."
"Some also question her track record ..."
"Critics, though, say"

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"But as the self-proclaimed poster girl for Remain..."
Where has she proclaimed this? I can't find a single example of her saying she's a poster girl for Remain, but i'm open to being corrected.

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It's articles like this that demonstrate why the likes of the Daily Mail are a cancer in our free press.

Lmao
Coming from the guy who presented 'Buzzfeed' as evidence that trump paid hookers to urinate on each other.
Your some character Charlie

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:39 am

Think IT has a crush.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:17 am

Damo wrote:Lmao
Coming from the guy who presented 'Buzzfeed' as evidence that trump paid hookers to urinate on each other.
Your some character Charlie

No I didn't. Check your facts.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:23 am

MShe certainly seems to be loving the limelight and has been milking her " intelligent black woman" status for all it's worth ( this is 2016 and we're aware that black women don't just have baskets of fruit on their heads Gina) and quelle suprise she's had a few offensive tweets ( from a country of 60 + mill)

Based off her wiki she seems to have been born into money and taken a few hubbys to the cleaners as well.With the dreaded HR degree to her name it's no suprise she's heading down the social justice route,Baroness Miller anyone?

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:24 am

I'd still give her one though

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:29 am

lakesclaret wrote:MShe certainly seems to be loving the limelight and has been milking her " intelligent black woman" status for all it's worth ( this is 2016 and we're aware that black women don't just have baskets of fruit on their heads Gina) and quelle suprise she's had a few offensive tweets ( from a country of 60 + mill)

Based off her wiki she seems to have been born into money and taken a few hubbys to the cleaners as well.With the dreaded HR degree to her name it's no suprise she's heading down the social justice route,Baroness Miller anyone?

Is there any point to this post or are you just blatantly sexist?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:34 am

Amusing to see a hypocrite taking the moral high ground. The same turd who thought people losing their lives in a plane crash was a source of amusement.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:40 am

You can guarantee that if she wasn't black the Daily Mail wouldn't have pursued her with the same vigour.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:40 am

claretdom wrote:Amusing to see a hypocrite taking the moral high ground. The same turd who thought people losing their lives in a plane crash was a source of amusement.

Who? Me?

I'm pretty sure the joke to which you refer was mocking our wage bill. And feel free to find one piece of hypocrisy from me and i'll promptly correct it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:47 am

Spijed wrote:You can guarantee that if she wasn't black the Daily Mail wouldn't have pursued her with the same vigour.

I found it funny that it was apparently worthwhile pointing our that she's married to her third husband. I'm sure that would have been worthwhile mentioning if she was a bloke.

Heathclaret · Post by **Heathclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:07 am

I find it odd that anybody thinks she has done the wrong thing here, and it is disgraceful the way she is criticised by the Pro Brexit press and other individuals who think she is trying to overturn the referendum result. I think it only right that parliament has a say in the way we leave the EU. I also found Kwasi Kwarteng reasonably amusing when he highlighted, to the SNP representative, that 40% of people in Scotland voted to leave the EU as a reason as to why they should follow the rest of the UK out of the EU. The irony.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:11 am

First article I've read in a long time from the Daily Mail and it's still the same. Total and utter drivel from start to finish.

How anyone can actually take that seriously I'll never know. I can't ever remember journalism - across the board- being as bad as it is now.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:18 am

Siddo

With respect It's nothing to do with her gender, though the fact she's an attractive intelligent black woman ,naturally has the likes of the mail frothing a little.

Taking a harsh (ish) viewpoint on someone's general antics or performance on a massive public debate such as Brexit doesn't imply sexism just because the subject is female.

Though if she was being interviewed for a job and I stated " I'd give her one" naturally that would indeed be sexist ( unless Sid James said it)!

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:22 am

I don't think people think "she's done the wrong thing" as such ,as legally she's of course on very solid ground ,its more her taking this " standard bearer sword of righteousness" approach which does look a bit " me me me"

Heathclaret · Post by **Heathclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:28 am

And perhaps Theresa May's decision that she didn't need to take it to the house, which led to a citizen challenging her in court, was all about, as you put it, " me, me, me " as well. I know who I find to be the more dangerous.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:29 am

It amazes me people still read the Daily Fail , let alone take any notice of it .

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:32 am

Daily mail supports Hitler.

Sorry, that should read "supported" Hitler.

Just want to make it clear though, they don't support Hitler now, but they used to.Thats Hitler, the HITLER.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:36 am

She's not that attractive though is she?

I don't think so personally.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:47 am

Are the hairdresser and Pimlico plumber guy still in the mix in this? Though looking at plumber guy he may also be the hairdresser

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:52 am

Isn't there another bunch of people preparing another case to stop/change something with Brexit who've just won the right to remain anonymous?

It's going to get tedious if they're going to keep chucking in more court cases.

I understand the one started by this Gina Miller and her associates, before anyone starts.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:59 am

Sidney1st wrote:Isn't there another bunch of people preparing another case to stop/change something with Brexit who've just won the right to remain anonymous?

It's going to get tedious if they're going to keep chucking in more court cases.

I understand the one started by this Gina Miller and her associates, before anyone starts.

People can bring as many legal challenges as they like, they'll only be successful if they're justified in bringing them.

Brexiteers should be welcoming these challenges now rather than later when May actually tries to pull the UK out of the EU and it then has to be actually blocked because it was done unconstitutionally. Imagine if she'd triggered Article 50, got halfway through negotiations, only for the courts to decide that her triggering of Article 50 was unconstitutional? The triggering of A50 would be void because EU law says that we have to follow our own laws, it'd have to be done again but through parliament this time, and when negotiations resume, or start over, she'll have shown her hand completely.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:09 am

Spijed wrote:You can guarantee that if she wasn't black the Daily Mail wouldn't have pursued her with the same vigour.

I honestly had no idea she was "black" - she just looked like she had a fake tan that had gone wrong to me

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:13 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:People can bring as many legal challenges as they like, they'll only be successful if they're justified in bringing them.

Brexiteers should be welcoming these challenges now rather than later when May actually tries to pull the UK out of the EU and it then has to be actually blocked because it was done unconstitutionally. Imagine if she'd triggered Article 50, got halfway through negotiations, only for the courts to decide that her triggering of Article 50 was unconstitutional? The triggering of A50 would be void because EU law says that we have to follow our own laws, it'd have to be done again but through parliament this time, and when negotiations resume, or start over, she'll have shown her hand completely.

As I stated, I understand the one from Miller and her mates, I even think it was a good one.

Like I said though, if there are going to be repeated attempts to block any sort of brexit through the courts, it's just going to get tedious.
How about people let the government start negotiating and coming up with a deal.

Then parliment can decide what bits they're going to agree on etc and then any disagreements can be renegotiated.
(I'm aware that won't happen because the opposition parties will just keep saying no for the sake of it, especially the Scots)

If private individuals are going to keep raising legal challenges every single step of the way, the general public are just going to end up viewing them as sore losers.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:26 am

Do you mean this one Sid

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/edit ... -1.2949737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LDNBFC87 · Post by **LDNBFC87** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:33 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:What a terrible article. You can almost taste the hatred. None of this has anything to do with the fact that she was completely right to bring this legal challenge.

But as a piece of journalism itself it is shockingly bad in how it uses the tactic of "some are saying..." to spread the rumours they themselves have likely made up. Not once was it able to quote a critic of her.

"Her critics, though, see a ..."
"Some also question her track record ..."
"Critics, though, say"

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"But as the self-proclaimed poster girl for Remain..."
Where has she proclaimed this? I can't find a single example of her saying she's a poster girl for Remain, but i'm open to being corrected.

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It's articles like this that demonstrate why the likes of the Daily Mail are a cancer in our free press.

Couldn't agree more, IT. Unfortunately, it does enough to rile its readers up and spread more ill-informed social friction. In the DM's eyes, job done!

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:34 am

I actually posted on this message board yesterday soon after the court ruling that today we could expect the "Brexit bile" from both the Daily Express and the Daily Mail as Brexiteers throw a "hissy fit" at everything not going their way.

Case proved I think.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:36 am

kentonclaret wrote:I actually posted on this message board yesterday soon after the court ruling that today we could expect the "Brexit bile" from both the Daily Express and the Daily Mail as Brexiteers throw a "hissy fit" at everything not going their way.

Case proved I think.

No difference to the other side complaining or trying to find ways to slow down or stop Brexit.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:38 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Do you mean this one Sid

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/edit ... -1.2949737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's the one.

There's a real possibility that once it's all negotiated that the EU may not want to reverse the decision after x amount of years arranging the deal.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:39 am

Sidney1st wrote:No difference to the other side complaining or trying to find ways to slow down or stop Brexit.

Or ensuring that our government acts within the law of the land (like you'd expect it to without having to take it to court).

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:45 am

Gina Milller obviously had a far greater understanding of the British Constitution than Theresa Maybe and her chums down at the Daily Wail otherwise they would not have embarked on a frivolous and fruitless legal challenge when key members of her own cabinet told her 6 months ago that she could not bypass parliament.

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:46 am

Clearly she loves the limelight. She's like a fitter version of Condoleezza Rice. Think she would be right up Frank Bough's street, whips n chains and all that

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:49 am

Daily Mail readers would rather fantasise over Theresa Maybe and her £995 leather trousers.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:50 am

Just thought of a new game.

The idea is spotting a Daily Mail reader just by what he/she posts.

I'm going to call it "Where's Welsby"

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:56 am

Ha. Can't stand the Mail! It's dreadful. But like a lot of people I don't read any paper because none of them fit the bill. The Guardian is just as bad as the Mail. I'm sure most posters (including Lancaster) clicked on the link hoping to see a sexy photo as opposed to having much political interest in brexit!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:59 am

Is there a sexy photo on the link?

I'll check it out!

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:05 am

lakesclaret wrote:Siddo

With respect It's nothing to do with her gender, though the fact she's an attractive intelligent black woman ,naturally has the likes of the mail frothing a little.

Taking a harsh (ish) viewpoint on someone's general antics or performance on a massive public debate such as Brexit doesn't imply sexism just because the subject is female.

Though if she was being interviewed for a job and I stated " I'd give her one" naturally that would indeed be sexist ( unless Sid James said it)!

You mention her degree. I have an HR degree, and I would urge you to read your company's social media policy, because your posts have probably breached it.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:11 am

When campaigning for Brexit and for Britain to leave the EU Nigel Farage stated that he wanted Britain to make its own laws in our own SOVEREIGN PARLIAMENT.

Gina Miller had a far greater grasp of what the sovereignty of Parliament means then Theresa May.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:14 am

It's quite straight forward - You have a car you're the owner but there are 3 other people (Not the owner) who are insured to drive the car. You're all legally entitled to drive the car - at some point you all decide to sell the car - but you can't legally sell the car without the owner's approval.

We're going to get out of Europe but it's the owner (UK parliament that is the one you have to consult first) The main driver (but not the owner) is the first to say sell (get out) and is disappointed when the owner (who has agreed in principle) seems to take a long time to sell the car, as they are the main driver and want a better car. The second driver says they have the right to sell the car as they are the car expert in the family and they've spotted a lovely car they want instead, but then they realise that legally they have to consult the owner of the car first.

Gina Miller just asked the question - shouldn't the owner make the decision.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:34 am

Theresa May has previous with regards trying to force something through despite not having a proper case behind her: a key example is the drawn out deportation of Abu Hamza.

The Mail/Sun/Express were frothing at the mouth that the courts kept blocking his deportation, when the truth was that Theresa May was incompetent and kept presenting her case despite it being riddled with massive holes, which even your average immigration lawyer could spot.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:36 am

I think it's fairly obvious that Teresa May isn't a good politician, let alone someone good enough to be our PM.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:50 am

Siddo wrote:You mention her degree. I have an HR degree, and I would urge you to read your company's social media policy, because your posts have probably breached it.

HR degree - hilarious

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:16 pm

Lmao
Coming from the guy who presented 'Buzzfeed' as evidence that trump paid hookers to urinate on each other.
Your some character Charlie

Imploding Turtle wrote:No I didn't. Check your facts.

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=11823

Turtle presenting an 'alternative fact' there. I thought you didn't like those?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:13 pm

LongsideFacingUp wrote:http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=11823

Turtle presenting an 'alternative fact' there. I thought you didn't like those?

Where did I once cite buzzfeed?

You've literally proven me right.

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:44 pm

brexit wrote:HR degree - hilarious

?

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:30 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:So she's a lying ***** making up academic qualifications, and having loads of negative nasty stuff written about her..

Is it true...? I have no idea.

I know this though..I am sick to death of seeing her face and hearing her 'noise' in the last 6 months or so - make your own mind up...and not just based on what the Daily Mail says.

- those photographs though..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... iller.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An article full of half-baked allegations, utterly irrelevant "facts" and hand picked photos, so typical of the hideous, hypocritical and sanctimonious rag. Hampstead, the fact that you feel this article worthy of promoting says far more about you than the article does about her.

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:38 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Where did I once cite buzzfeed? You've literally proven me right.

Below is Turtle's post in the tread he started called: 'Watergate II - Trump's Wet 'n' Wild Party' (LOL you're so funny Turtle)

And yes, while this is a CNN article and CNN are ****, Carl Bernstein has put his name to it in the byline so as a piece of journalism it already has far more credibility than anything else that's been reported about Trump, Clinton, or anything political in the U.S. in a long while.
Here is the document of which, it is claimed, Obama and Trump each receive a two-page synopsis.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... tions.html

The link to DocumentCloud he used was uploaded by Buzzfeed.

The info bar on the right of the document states:

Contributed by: Mark Schoofs, BuzzFeed

Aaaaaaaand just above that is a link to the associated Buzzfeed article https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/t ... biY5MAy2GJ

Oops.

Looking forward to watching you try and dance round this one Turtle mate.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:40 pm

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:53 pm

LongsideFacingUp wrote:Below is Turtle's post in the tread he started called: 'Watergate II - Trump's Wet 'n' Wild Party' (LOL you're so funny Turtle)

The link to DocumentCloud he used was uploaded by Buzzfeed.

The info bar on the right of the document states:

Contributed by: Mark Schoofs, BuzzFeed

Aaaaaaaand just above that is a link to the associated Buzzfeed article https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/t ... biY5MAy2GJ

Oops.

Looking forward to watching you try and dance round this one Turtle mate.

That dossier wasn't compiled by Buzzfeed. It was compiled by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele. If i'm citing anyone it's him. Buzzfeed might have uploaded the dossier, but they didn't create it. This is where you're having trouble, words don't mean what you want them to mean. Here's the meaning of "cite"

Now, where did i refer to Buzzfeed "as evidence for or the justification of an argument of statement"? Quote me doing that and you have me. But you can't because i didn't.

I'm a big proponent of a state education system but i want to apologise for it having so obviously failed you.